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Post by ggg on Apr 24, 2006 17:59:47 GMT -5
Where does your faith originate and come from?
Does it come from within?
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The reason this is a great question is that so many in the fellowship believe if only they could manage to create a bit more faith in themselves that they would/could please God. When in fact faith comes FROM God.
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Post by wondering on Apr 24, 2006 18:30:03 GMT -5
we need God to quicken our hearts so that we maybe inclined to desire Him. It is all about God do His work in us. There is absolutley nothing you or I can do to please God.
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Post by IllinoisGal on Apr 25, 2006 6:49:26 GMT -5
Im not a 2x2er but Ill answer the question and what it means to me.
Faith for me comes by hearing the preached word of God. It comes from prayer and reading his word
.It comes from watching God do great things in peoples lives and it comes from seeing him help people through storms in there lives.
My faith is built from day to day just having a relationship with God
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Post by l on Apr 25, 2006 11:15:33 GMT -5
Jesus is Lord(which means he is equal with the father)
which means we should go down the road of repentance and faith
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Post by las again on Apr 25, 2006 11:38:27 GMT -5
"which means we should go down the road of repentance and faith "
is this not an upward road?
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Post by IQ on Apr 25, 2006 11:53:54 GMT -5
My faith comes from GOD, nothing in myself or of myself can stir or create faith.
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Post by back on Apr 25, 2006 12:00:02 GMT -5
My faith comes from GOD, nothing in myself or of myself can stir or create faith. and the bible tells you this where? |
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Post by A choice on Apr 25, 2006 12:20:02 GMT -5
When it comes to things which cannot be proven in this lifetime, Faith is a CHOICE to believe. We CHOOSE to believe or not. The majority of folks just CHOOSE to believe without question (and defend), that which their parents believed. Then there are those of us who question, much to our parents horror. Where in the Bible does it say this? I don't think it does, but then again, one CHOOSES to believe the Bible, just as another CHOOSES to believe the Koran, etc.... Remember, somewhere in all of our families, someone CHOSE to believe the Workers, and, much to the horror of their parents, no doubt!  |
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Post by not so innocent on Apr 25, 2006 12:28:27 GMT -5
"My faith comes from GOD, nothing in myself or of myself can stir or create faith."
My faith doesn't come from God, it comes from ME. My faith is IN GOD though. I do the choosing to believe.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2006 13:20:24 GMT -5
My faith comes from GOD, nothing in myself or of myself can stir or create faith. and the bible tells you this where? Eph 2:8-10 Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, Eph 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. |
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Post by Quotes on Apr 25, 2006 13:23:43 GMT -5
Then quotes above do not answer the question about bibical references to the source of faith.
They do point to the source of grace, of salvation etc. Not of faith.
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Post by Hope For All on Apr 25, 2006 13:32:02 GMT -5
Rev 22:
10Then he told me, "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, because the time is near. 11Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy."
12"Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. 13I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
14"Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
It is clear from these words of our LORD, that what we do will effect our eternal salvation.
1. Unrepented sin or immoral living will lead to eternal death.
2. Those who live a holy life will be welcomed into a saved eternity. (Salvation)
3. Our reward will depend upon what we have done.
Any other Gospel message is a false Gospel.
Love,
HFA
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Post by Hope For All on Apr 25, 2006 13:34:49 GMT -5
Then quotes above do not answer the question about bibical references to the source of faith. They do point to the source of grace, of salvation etc. Not of faith. My faith comes from the word of God. 1. Word as in written word. 2. Word as in spoken and living word. 3. Word as in Gods's own voice to my heart. Not necessarily in that order. Love, HFA |
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Post by truthlearner on Apr 25, 2006 13:49:05 GMT -5
Salvation and reward are two different things.
We cannot effect our salvation, but we can effect our reward.
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Post by Opine on Apr 25, 2006 13:57:57 GMT -5
"Any other Gospel message is a false Gospel."
Thats an opinion.
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Post by Hope For All on Apr 25, 2006 18:11:36 GMT -5
Salvation and reward are two different things. We cannot effect our salvation, but we can effect our reward. I agree that Salvation and reward are seperate. I certainly do not agree that "We cannot effect our salvation". If this were true why did Jesus even bother to spend time here teaching what we must do? Why did he say, "Those who DO THE WILL of my father will be welcomed in". Please explain Rev 22.- without are those who DO evil. I am very dismayed by how many there are on this board who seem to think there is NOTHING we can do effect our salvation. To be blunt this is a false doctrine that satan would love all of us to believe. In one of Phillip Yancey's book's he destinguishes between effort and our own works. They are two entirley different things. Anyone who says we do not require any effort to get to heaven is badly deceived. Love and Peace, HFA |
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Post by Gospel believer on Apr 25, 2006 19:19:58 GMT -5
The faith that every man has in his natural fallen state is not that faith which justifies a man before God, and it is this faith, inherent in every man, which cannot savingly believe the Gospel of the true God. The principal evidence for this, which makes it absolute truth, is the fact that justifying faith must be given to a man by God and as a gift of God based on the grace of God. The grace of God made the Gospel of God possible, and only the faith of God can believe it. "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast" (Eph. 2:8,9).
Faith is only produced by the Holy Spirit, and it is only produced by the Holy Spirit in conjunction with the Word of God, principally the Gospel." Every true believer may join together in unison and say, "Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God; THAT we might KNOW the things that are freely given to us of God" (1 Cor. 2:12).
That saving faith must be given by God BEFORE a person can be saved is testament to the undeniable fact that salvation is by grace, and to believe the Gospel of grace one must, BY GRACE, be equipped with that faith that can only come by grace.
The faith that believes in God comes by God (see Acts 3:16).
Obviously then, this faith is not a work of man’s but something that must be given to him: "For by grace are ye saved THROUGH FAITH; and that NOT OF YOURSELVES: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast" (Eph. 2:8,9). What exactly this verse is referring to when it says that not of yourselves need not be debated, for it is clearly stating that grace, salvation and faith are all interconnected and one cannot have one without the others. With this connection established we conclude that grace, salvation and faith are ALL the gifts of God and none of them are as a result of man’s works.
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Post by Work of God on Apr 25, 2006 19:34:30 GMT -5
"Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work."
(Romans 11.5-6)
"And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins..." (Ephesians 2:1)
"There is none righteous, no, not one; there is none who understands; there is none who seeks after God...there is none who does good, no, not one." (Romans 3:10)
"if anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself"
(Matthew 16:24) What does the Lord Jesus call for, but for us to deny all of ourselves, to deny that there is glory and goodness in us.
"knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?" (Romans 2:4)
"So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy." (Romans 9:16)
"says the LORD, "that I am God...there is no one who can deliver out of My hand; I work, and who will reverse it?" (Isaiah 43)
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