Pyramids

[las logged out]

So it would be safe to say that Gods people
built the pyramids when they were slaves right!
This is my take onthe Geza pyramid Ramsay tomb

[las again]

I also saw the 10 commandments the movie really helped
me appreciate the events how they unfolded was nearly five hours long but very good that is the original 1956 version
Charlton Heston don't think anbody could of done better

[botany]

Look at recorded history of when the pyramids were built and when "god's people" were in Egypt. Do they match up? Next, look at historically who were the actual laborers building the pyramids. Were they Egyptian "citizens", "prisoners", "slaves", or other peoples? From what I have learned in classes, it was the "citizens" who did the actual work on the pyramids. So, the "god's people" likely did not even have anything to do with the pyramids.

There are many myths surrounding the pyramids that are being reviewed and "proven wrong". Perhaps we will never truly know the mysteries behind the ancient Egyptian culture. Hoever, it is not so bad to leave mysteries as mysteries, since it leads to many fun speculations and imaginative stories. Let us never squash our imagination.

andy

[las again]

I know the Egyptians had the expertize but did use slaves(I believe Gods people)

[LLoyd logged out]

I know it was the Egyptians that had the brains behind
the building of the great Geza pyramid Ramsay was Pharoah while Moses was a growing up in the egyptian palaces
but later he laeft choosing to be with his own people even a slave
believe it or not

[Lloyd again]

Ramsay would of been Pharoah while moses was growing up in the Egyptian ways the Ramsay died his son took over being Pharoah which would eventually chase Moses and the slaves has they were crossing the Red sea...later pharoah said a moses God
is the only God

[Mrs Malaprop]

Ramsay? This is hysterical! There has never been a Pharoah Ramsey! Don't you mean Rameses?

[selah]

I just watched a documentary last night called, "The Exodus Decoded" by Simcha Jacobovici. It was very interesting.

He places the exodus in a different time from the usually held date of 1270 BCE, the era of Pharaoh Ramses II. He prefers, and believes he has scientific proof that the exodus was in about 1500 BCE, and the Pharaoh was not Ramses, but Ahmoses.

Ahmoses means the brother of Moses.

Jacobovici believes that this discrepacy in the exodus time placement, has left the scientific world with little archeological and geological evidence of the Exodus as we know it from the bible.

However, when placed in 1500 during the reign of Pharaoh Ahmoses, significant evidence of every kind abounds.

Jacobovici also supported all the plagues and the parting of the waters of the (Reed Sea (Lake)- he believes is a more accurate translation and location) with scientific evidence.

He says the scientific evidence that proves these things happened does not in any way suggest that God was not responsible. God is omnipotent after all, and the CREATOR.

It was well worth watching the two hour documentary. It appeared on the Discovery Channel. It may air again, so...if you're interested...watch for it.

Blessings,
Linda

[botany]

LLoyd said:

I know it was the Egyptians that had the brains behind
the building of the great Geza pyramid Ramsay was Pharoah while Moses was a growing up in the egyptian palaces
but later he laeft choosing to be with his own people even a slave
believe it or not

Lloyd, you are wrong. I asked you to check the dates associated with the pyramids and when "god's people" were in Egypt. You obviously did not do that. So, here I am to edumacate you.

*The Great Pyramids at Gizeh were built between 3000 BCE and 2000 BCE. More specifically: Menkure ~2575 BCE; Khafre ~2600 BCE; Khufu ~2650 BCE.
(Source: Fiero, Gloria K., The Humanistic Tradition: The First Civilations And The Classical Legacy, 3rd edition, McGraw Hill, NY, 1998, (p 26).)

*"God's people" were in Egypt from 1732 BCE (Joseph sold into Egypt - Genesis 37) through 1280 BCE (Moses, et. al. leaving Egypt - Exodus 12:37).
(Source: Brenneman, Charles Gage, A Guide To Bible Study, 1954, (p 111))

Let's do some more research, shall we? Let's go to the internet this time. Google search: Egyptian pyramid labor.

*The Egyptian populace made up the bulk of the labor force building the pyramids. Sure, there may have been some slaves, but relatively few. Estimates vary regarding the number of people required to build the pyramids, but several sources all point out that the slave labor theory is wrong.
Sources:
www.touregypt.net/featurestories/pyramidworkforce.htm
www.cdli.ca/CITE/egypt_pyramids.htm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pyramid_of_Giza


andy

(Edit: Google search words added)

[hmmmm]

asv420 said:

LLoyd said:

I know it was the Egyptians that had the brains behind
the building of the great Geza pyramid Ramsay was Pharoah while Moses was a growing up in the egyptian palaces
but later he laeft choosing to be with his own people even a slave
believe it or not

Lloyd, you are wrong. I asked you to check the dates associated with the pyramids and when "god's people" were in Egypt. You obviously did not do that. So, here I am to edumacate you.

*The Great Pyramids at Gizeh were built between 3000 BCE and 2000 BCE. More specifically: Menkure ~2575 BCE; Khafre ~2600 BCE; Khufu ~2650 BCE.
(Source: Fiero, Gloria K., The Humanistic Tradition: The First Civilations And The Classical Legacy, 3rd edition, McGraw Hill, NY, 1998, (p 26).)

*"God's people" were in Egypt from 1732 BCE (Joseph sold into Egypt - Genesis 37) through 1280 BCE (Moses, et. al. leaving Egypt - Exodus 12:37).
(Source: Brenneman, Charles Gage, A Guide To Bible Study, 1954, (p 111))

Let's do some more research, shall we? Let's go to the internet this time. Google search: Egyptian pyramid labor.

*The Egyptian populace made up the bulk of the labor force building the pyramids. Sure, there may have been some slaves, but relatively few. Estimates vary regarding the number of people required to build the pyramids, but several sources all point out that the slave labor theory is wrong.
Sources:
www.touregypt.net/featurestories/pyramidworkforce.htm
www.cdli.ca/CITE/egypt_pyramids.htm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pyramid_of_Giza


andy

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Andy,
I am skeptical about the dates given by archeologists.

Iwould not be surprized to find out that the methods they use in extrapolating certain times and dates are ''less the absolute''.

Why wouldn't you be skeptical, also??
It seems those that study these structures, have a 'hidden' agenda....that being : who would believe them, if they begin to question there own motives, and accuracy.....once the doubts set in, then their ''beliefs'' are only as valid as their unbiased [un'motive'ated ] opinions. I see lots of room for errors.

Can you show that Moses was wrong in identifying Adam as the first 'human' on the earth?? What proof is a skeleten?? [oh sure there are skeptics on both sides of unproven data] hmmm

[Lloyd logged out]

Mrs said:

Ramsay? This is hysterical! There has never been a Pharoah Ramsey! Don't you mean Rameses?

Sorry yes that is what I mean

[botany]

Andy,
I am skeptical about the dates given by archeologists.

Iwould not be surprized to find out that the methods they use in extrapolating certain times and dates are ''less the absolute''.

Why wouldn't you be skeptical, also??

Yes, I am also skeptical. However, with multiple corroborating sources, skepticism recedes. Ancient records help us clue in to certain date frames.

It seems those that study these structures, have a 'hidden' agenda....that being : who would believe them, if they begin to question there own motives, and accuracy.....once the doubts set in, then their ''beliefs'' are only as valid as their unbiased [un'motive'ated ] opinions. I see lots of room for errors.

The 'hidden' agenda is the tombs inside the pyramids! lol
There certainly is a lot of room for error. However, as I mentioned above, records do survive that help us figure out the dates for things. Not everything is guess work.

Can you show that Moses was wrong in identifying Adam as the first 'human' on the earth?? What proof is a skeleten?? [oh sure there are skeptics on both sides of unproven data] hmmm

I dunno. I wasn't necessarily arguing on this point, but let's give it a shot. I would look at past skeletons found and how they determined the date, whether they used C14 or other isotopes and how accurate of dating methods those isotopes prove. If we look at skeletons/mummies from X years ago, compare CO2 and other chemical signatures in them with ice cores from glaciers, relatively accurate time frames can be established. Granted, there are errors in the dating, and I believe that dates are usually given as an average of the error range. A skeleton dating to 10,000 years ago certainly won't make much of a difference to 10,100 years ago. Unless it comes down to two people arguing about laying claim to finding the oldest skeleton. But to answer your question of "what proof is a skeleton"... it is only proof to the person who already believes to some degree. Otherwise to the non-believer (of either side) it is complete hogwash and immediately dismissed. Skeptics abound everywhere, both within and without every viewpoint.

andy