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Post by buttie on Apr 15, 2006 20:19:44 GMT -5
The main reason the workers believe their group is the only true form of Christianity is simple:the meeting in the home and ministry without a home! Nothing else is as important. They see other preachers as worldly or false. I don't see where either method is REQUIRED in the bible. Makes no sense.
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Post by sure on Apr 15, 2006 23:19:49 GMT -5
I agree.......
If you miss it, you missed it
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Post by makesnosense on Apr 15, 2006 23:48:03 GMT -5
The main reason the workers believe their group is the only true form of Christianity is simple:the meeting in the home and ministry without a home! Nothing else is as important. They see other preachers as worldly or false. I don't see where either method is REQUIRED in the bible. Makes no sense. Maybe it wasn't REQUIRED in the Bible because it was an all new concept. And maybe it makes NO SENSE because it does not appeal to the flesh. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2006 10:42:23 GMT -5
Jesus never mentioned or even hinted at any virtue in a scheduled "Sunday morning meeting" at all (especially one that by statute would be limited to a certain type of building construction) -- This quite definately WASN'T an ingredient in his beautiful teaching.
And it is obvious false and misleading to imply that he ever suggested dividing his followers into two separate institutional groups ('workers' and 'friends'), with two separate and completely different sets of entry conditions, two different centrally regulated life styles, and two different levels of authority and administration.
This whole concept of 2x2ism is a obvious product of an extreme religious fantacy.
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Post by Lloyd logged out on Apr 16, 2006 10:53:57 GMT -5
Yes Edgar I agree I wonder what Willis propp thinks?
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Post by reason for being on Apr 17, 2006 6:30:36 GMT -5
All splinter groups have "a reason for being".
Their founders came to believe that certain "key elements" were missing from the existing group that they were members of. They were not aware of any other groups that acknowledged the importance of these "key elements", so they began their own group centered around these "key elements". These "key elements" are their "reason for being".
The "2x2s" are no different in this respect. The founder, William Irvine, was not satisfied with his former church group, Faith Missions. He felt that they were overlooking certain verses to which he attached a great importance to. So, he convinced a few fellow members of the Faith Missions to join him in starting up a new organization centering around these verses. And here we are today!
These "key verses" became the all important backbone of the sect. All other verses pale in comparison. The most important verses are the ones that show why the group is different from all others, not the verses which unite all Christians.
If you study the other various sects, you will be able to identify which "key scriptures" were their reason for initially forming their group. It's what makes them unique. Sects must dwell on their uniqueness. Its what make them each "the only right Way"!
Isn't it ironic how our human nature perverts the message of Christ? He said to "love God and our neighbor", and we say "yes, but those people aren't doing it right!"
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Post by Peter on Apr 17, 2006 6:45:02 GMT -5
" And these two new commandments I give unto you, have thy meeting in the home and have thy ministry without an home. These are the greatest of all commandments. Hearken ye unto them !"
Gene Nelson - 1996 - To a "Right Wing" movement in Illinois, purporting to be a "right way" movement !
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Post by reason for being on Apr 17, 2006 7:02:11 GMT -5
A little side note:
In order for a newly formed sect to be successful (recuit new members, that is), it must appeal to a good number of potential converts.
In my family's instance, (three generations back) they were poor Minnisota farmers, who attended the local Lutheran church. It seems that the Lutheran minister made a habit of brow beating the membership for more and more donations. (Perhaps the Lutheran minister was envious of the obvious wealth of the Catholic Church, which the Lutheran had splintered away from.)
Then, just at the right time, along comes two self proclaimed "servants of God" who say, "You don't need no freakin' church building to get to Heaven! You don't need to have a minister with a salary!" And so, here we are......
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Post by Jesus did on Apr 17, 2006 13:39:05 GMT -5
"Jesus never mentioned or even hinted at any virtue in a scheduled "Sunday morning meeting" at all"
Thats untrue. Jesus did.
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Apr 17, 2006 14:43:53 GMT -5
"Jesus never mentioned or even hinted at any virtue in a scheduled "Sunday morning meeting" at all" Thats untrue. Jesus did. Could you give scripture reference for Jesus saying the words "Sunday" or "morning" or "meeting"? |
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Post by words on Apr 17, 2006 15:09:22 GMT -5
The inability to quote specific words from scripture does not mean that there is no scripture alluding to the topic.
For example the word trinity is not there, but who denies its existence?
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Apr 17, 2006 15:19:27 GMT -5
What scripture alludes to Jesus teaching that one must gather on a Sunday morning in an elder's house that has been approved (sanctified) by a worker?
Who denies the existence of the trinity? Many workers and many of their their friends (in my experience) have alluded to if not outright spoken that the trininty is a concept and doctrine of man.
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Post by amplified on Apr 17, 2006 15:40:54 GMT -5
GL, you have amplified the original statement to enable your view to squash the original poster.
The statement ""Jesus never mentioned or even hinted at any virtue in a scheduled "Sunday morning meeting" at all"
was challenged by someone, who said
"Thats untrue. Jesus did."
Now you have ADDED " in an elder's house that has been approved (sanctified) by a worker?"
These conditions YOU have imposed on the statement make it impossible for the original poster to reply.
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Apr 17, 2006 15:49:20 GMT -5
This board alludes to mention of how things in particular and specifcially are done by the workers and their friends.
The mention of Sunday morning meeting here implies or alludes to a gathering of the workers' friends in a place and at a time that has been designated by a worker of appropiriate responsibility. Thus, if Jesus taught to gather in a Sunday morning meeting, Jesus should also have taught to do so at a place and time and manner designated by the powers that be - the workers.
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Post by Few on Apr 17, 2006 15:52:52 GMT -5
There are few that think that the workers are the only right way.
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Apr 17, 2006 15:57:39 GMT -5
There are few that think that the workers are the only right way. There are few (in the world) that know of the workers. How many that follow the workers and think they have the exclusive ministry of Jesus and the gospel is subject to argument and likely undiscernable by man. |
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Post by we on Apr 17, 2006 17:07:26 GMT -5
There are few that think that the workers are the only right way. we don't think the workers personally are the right way at all, but they do teach and live the right way  |
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Post by heard from a worker on Apr 17, 2006 18:20:28 GMT -5
Yep. And that's the problem. Besides, your thoughts are not God's thought. Think on that for a while. |
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Post by thinking on Apr 17, 2006 18:22:56 GMT -5
Yep. And that's the problem. Besides, your thoughts are not God's thought. Think on that for a while. Good advise, hey, you might like it , ;D ;D |
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Post by 1x1 on Apr 17, 2006 19:17:19 GMT -5
hey out there
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