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Post by devo on Apr 9, 2006 17:33:48 GMT -5
Do you think that 2x2ism is gradually evolving? If so...in what ways. If you could travel 100 years ahead in time, would the professing church have changed much?
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Post by jxr on Apr 10, 2006 9:14:19 GMT -5
Do you think that 2x2ism is gradually evolving? If so...in what ways. If you could travel 100 years ahead in time, would the professing church have changed much? No, the sister workers will still be wearing their pajamas. |
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Post by selah on Apr 10, 2006 10:11:51 GMT -5
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. It seems that "hope" in this verse would be more aptly translated "expect". www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/heb11.pdfYes, I DO believe that the f&w fellowship is gradually evolving. Things today are quite different than they were at the turn of the century. There have been changes in the method, since at first all followers went into the "work". There have been changes in dress codes (ex. blackstockings no longer enforced). Today change is on the horizon. Many within the fellowship no longer have exclusive views and do not hold to the "living witness" doctrine. I believe 100 years from now there will be HUGE changes in all churches. It's quite possible that Jesus will have returned by then! His mandate to go into all the world and preach the gospel, is now, more than any other time in history, very do-able. Technology has made great strides for the Kingdom. So, definitely, I am sure of what I'm expecting, and I'm certain of what may not be readily seen. All true disciples, of necessity, MUST be changing...otherwise we're not growing. Jesus is the same, yesterday, today...forever. Believing disciples must grow and mature, so we change, and as a result each body of believers changes also. Are all in the f&w fellowship true believing disciples? No. The same is true of other church groups. Blessings, Linda |
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Post by trigger on Apr 10, 2006 11:46:25 GMT -5
I agree that, yes, the 2x2 way was definitely evolved, in both good ways and bad. The main good thing that I think of is the relaxation in the strictness of dress code and way of life, namely participating in what used to be vewied as "worldly" things like sports, having a TV, etc. I'm glad some of the old traditions that are nothing more than that, and bear no spiritual meaning, have fallen away or eased up some because I think people have been under pretty senseless rule when it comes to a lot of that stuff. However, I think there has been a negative change in regards to the workers with the power and money and sway that they hold. I've heard my Grandma tell the story of when the workers first came to their Saskatchewan farm back in the 1920s, they came walking up the lane, two men with very little possessions. They helped the family with their farm work, I believe it was threshing time when they arrived. They were so glad to have a real place to stay as they had been sleeping in graneries a lot. When I look at what, to me, seems to be a gross lack of appreciation amongst many of the workers and look back on those of years past I have so much respect for many of those early workers and for what they did. I know there were some back then who did not help, I heard a story about one pair who came calling but when asked if they would help with the potato planting they left annnoyed... and likewise today there are workers who are very keen to lend a hand, but it just seems that they are more comfortable with the very good lifestyle they have and sometimes have a little bit of an air about them I have found. In any event, I'm sure there will be much more change to come, and hopefully it will be good.
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Post by 2006 reprot on Apr 10, 2006 12:48:36 GMT -5
On Sunday, April 9, 2006, I observed a much more relaxed dress code at the "Spring Meetings" ie . . . well dressed young females that were not dowdy, but looked on the positive normal side with somewhat long, but styled hair, modern dresses, shoes, etc. The men were in the minority if they had on a tie and they looked "normal" as usual. Even the 70+ group looked like some of them had been to the beauty shop and a hint of make up. The female workers have even moved up a few years in their dress. The preaching was on the positive side and I did not hear any discussion of "false churches", worldy, etc. There were several prayers without the "thee' & "thous", even by the workers. This observation would be from a sample of about 250.
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Post by you finally noticed on Apr 10, 2006 13:45:52 GMT -5
On Sunday, April 9, 2006, I observed a much more relaxed dress code at the "Spring Meetings" ie . . . well dressed young females that were not dowdy, but looked on the positive normal side with somewhat long, but styled hair, modern dresses, shoes, etc. The men were in the minority if they had on a tie and they looked "normal" as usual. Even the 70+ group looked like some of them had been to the beauty shop and a hint of make up. The female workers have even moved up a few years in their dress. The preaching was on the positive side and I did not hear any discussion of "false churches", worldy, etc. There were several prayers without the "thee' & "thous", even by the workers. This observation would be from a sample of about 250. 2006 Report It has been happening for the last 20 years..... |
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Post by GuestS on Apr 10, 2006 17:36:37 GMT -5
Do you think that 2x2ism is gradually evolving? If so...in what ways. If you could travel 100 years ahead in time, would the professing church have changed much? In 100 years I would HOPE there is NO workers "church." With all the methods of communication there will be NO excuse for ignorance. |
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Post by comparing on Apr 10, 2006 22:50:59 GMT -5
Often hear people complaining that the doctors of today are nothing like the good old family doctors. They made house calls, they worked for free etc, etc. And I say, so you expect a doctor who is heavily in debt when they graduate to do it for free, when you yourself are driving a $50,000 vehicle and live in a $300,000 house.?
And I think the same mindset applies to the workers. We all live in comfort and expect the workers to be still sleeping in haystacks and walking.
It's comparing apples to oranges
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Post by comparing2 on Apr 11, 2006 10:45:58 GMT -5
I think what's to compare is not where the workers stay or what they have, it's the attitude they bear, which is pretty darn arrogant and high-anf-mightly sometimes form my experience. Ofcourse no one expects them to sleep in haystacks... but there's a few out there who it might do them some good to have things a little tougher than they're so used to.
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Post by selah on Apr 11, 2006 11:26:31 GMT -5
Often hear people complaining that the doctors of today are nothing like the good old family doctors. They made house calls, they worked for free etc, etc. And I say, so you expect a doctor who is heavily in debt when they graduate to do it for free, when you yourself are driving a $50,000 vehicle and live in a $300,000 house.? And I think the same mindset applies to the workers. We all live in comfort and expect the workers to be still sleeping in haystacks and walking. It's comparing apples to oranges I certainly don't expect the workers or anyone else to live in a lifestyle of less quality than my own, if it can be helped. I think the usual critisism is that some of the workers continue to portray the (haystack) image of how they once went out. This is not the case anymore, yet people often get that impression from what they say. Blessings, Linda |
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Post by guest on Apr 11, 2006 11:52:04 GMT -5
Do you think that 2x2ism is gradually evolving? If so...in what ways. If you could travel 100 years ahead in time, would the professing church have changed much? I'm sure it is, just as Christianity itself is evolving. Things now just aren't the same as in Jesus day. One example over the last 40-50 years is the change in attitude toward divorce and remarriage. Another is the treatment of Sunday as if it were the sabboth. Is there anywhere where the "blue" laws are still enforced? And finally, as we speak, the acceptance of homosexual Christians complete with their love, sex, and families. |
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Post by trigger on Apr 11, 2006 12:42:49 GMT -5
Often hear people complaining that the doctors of today are nothing like the good old family doctors. They made house calls, they worked for free etc, etc. And I say, so you expect a doctor who is heavily in debt when they graduate to do it for free, when you yourself are driving a $50,000 vehicle and live in a $300,000 house.? And I think the same mindset applies to the workers. We all live in comfort and expect the workers to be still sleeping in haystacks and walking. It's comparing apples to oranges I certainly don't expect the workers or anyone else to live in a lifestyle of less quality than my own, if it can be helped. I think the usual critisism is that some of the workers continue to portray the (haystack) image of how they once went out. This is not the case anymore, yet people often get that impression from what they say. Blessings, Linda Excellent point, Linda! |
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Post by gorm on Apr 12, 2006 18:55:44 GMT -5
There are various possibilities as to the evolution of 2x2ism. Perhaps a schism could occur in which the more conservative workers & friends split with the more liberal friends and workers. Maybe the 2x2 church will disappear within a few decades (not necesarilly the rapture), having been absorbed into mainstream Christianity. I think that probably as the older friends & workers pass-on, the younger members will continue to inject new ways of thinking, & doing things.
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Post by Where will it end on Apr 12, 2006 19:28:10 GMT -5
It makes the older folks (workers & friends) uneasy & insecure to observe changes being made. First it's one little thing, then another little thing...and before you know it...."OH MY GOSH...WHERE WILL IT END?!
To keep things as unchanging as possible, makes for a confidend attitude, & a sense of comfortable stability, and security...especially if you are old, and nearing the end. Who wants to have their boat rocked at 80 years of age....after professing for 70 of those years?
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Post by as i c it on Apr 12, 2006 20:14:51 GMT -5
Where will it end,
Change has been taking place in those old folks life, all their life. With every new generation of believers, they've seen changes take place. (In the world: in the church: and in themselves and others who've aged too). Seems to me they've weathered all those changes pretty well. At least, when it's come to the external changes within the church.
The internal changes (to do with history: or doctrines) however, could/would/might easily, as you say, "rock their boat". So few, I think, mention those changes to them.
As to those changes (and the future): I wonder too: Are there strangers coming out? Are the young ones staying "in"? (In your area). If the young ones: and older ones: start to look and act like the other christians: and the preaching is the same gospel as the other ones--will we die out? or will new ones come in?
"The church" it seems, was built on family members (and those members having large families). Out of those, only a small portion carried on professing.
Now, with the younger ones having only small families...And without strangers coming in...it doesn't look too good from where I sit.
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