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Post by hi5 on Apr 9, 2006 6:43:38 GMT -5
The truth started in Victorian England around 1900. Old English-Irish-Scotch ideas, values, and traditions have continued albeit moderated some in the last few years. I guess we have to blame it on the Irish guys! Women didn't wear "men's clothing" in 1900 so they shouldn't today, they reason! Jesus didn't change they reason so why should "his people?" Somehow we are told that the "friends" should remain a few years behind times.
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Post by guesty on Apr 12, 2006 0:15:04 GMT -5
God Bless England. They gave the bible back to the common world.
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Post by Truth please on Apr 12, 2006 1:31:00 GMT -5
Please get your facts right.
The "truth" did not start in England, it started in Ireland.
"Old English-Irish-Scotch ideas"?? why bring whiskey into this? Scotch is a whiskey not a nation/race/country.
So for your next post designed to stir the pot, get the facts right.
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Post by hi6 on Apr 12, 2006 4:01:35 GMT -5
According to the Chambers Concise Dictionary hi5 is right with his term "Scotch ideas !"
Scotch : adj. a form of Scottish or Scots, disliked by many Scotsmen; applied esp. to products of Scotland; having the character popularly attributed to a Scotsman.
But for you guesty I'm afraid England did not give the Bible back to the common world. They never had it in the first place, AND King James I WAS king of "Great Britain, France and Ireland" at the time he had the Bible translated. Give Jimmy his just due, "England" limits his geographical area of authority. A bit like saying New York State invaded Iraq !
Furthermore, "Scotch" is NOT a whiskey ! It is many Scottish brands of whisky, with "whisky" being spelt that way and not the colonial extended version !
Facts are facts. As you say we must get them right !
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Post by here here on Apr 12, 2006 11:03:23 GMT -5
I agree completely that the truth has really held onto traditions of Old, ones that I would call Victorian I guess, though I could be off in my estimation. None the less, I can never help but notice when looking at pictures of women from the early 1900s that their hair looks a lot like the hair of professing women today as does their general style of dress. Obviously it is not exact because we do not have those kind of clothes readily and widely available anymore, but thet general long-skirt-nothing-sleeveless-kinda-drab look is still in parts of the world. Some places have loosened up and there's less of the old standard left, but by and large the idea of the old standard is still very much in existence.
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Post by truth please on Apr 12, 2006 12:14:11 GMT -5
"Furthermore, "Scotch" is NOT a whiskey"
This statement is in error. Scotch IS a whisky.
Yes it is a subset of all whiskys in that it only applies to whisky made in Scotland, but it is in fact a whisky.
This in turn is divided into subsets of blends, malts singlemalts etc.
Anyway the "truth" didn't originate in Scotland, but a Scotsman was instrumental in its formation.
A definition being in Chambers dictionary doesn't make it right.
scotch1 // v. & n.
v.tr.
1 put an end to; frustrate (injury scotched his attempt).
2 archaic a wound without killing; slightly disable. b make incisions in; score.
n.
1 archaic a slash.
2 a line on the ground for hopscotch.
[Middle English: origin unknown]
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Post by guesty on Apr 12, 2006 12:44:04 GMT -5
yes, they did. Facts straight. God Bless England.
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Post by lol on Apr 12, 2006 15:34:07 GMT -5
Notice how women look in movies that are set in the late 19th or early 20th century! They look like PROFESSING WOMEN!! Dresses and buns! A war movie showing a grieving widow of WW II would show the lady with the dress and bun look. Professing customs such as quietness before meeting, handshake, etc. are rooted in the Victorian era. Not alway bad.. But Truth is full of Old Irish ideas, beliefs and customs. Notice the 3rd world coutries with English speaking head workers. I guess you have to blame it on the Brits! If The Truth began in 1970s, women might be able to wear jeans and own TVs!
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Post by fun on Apr 12, 2006 15:46:29 GMT -5
oh its such fun to criticise the looks of the 2x2's
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Post by hi6 on Apr 12, 2006 17:50:29 GMT -5
"Scotch is not a whiskey !" Period !
Note the spelling. Scotch ain't no Yankee Doodle admixture. Whisky, i.e. the real McCoy is spelt "whisky !" Scotch is a generic term form "whisky !" Not "a" whisky. It refers to all true whiskies, i.e. made in Scotland, which are divided into different brands and blends, all with their own distinctive taste.
I could easily have quoted the other non-related meanings for Scotch, but withheld on account of sticking to the point.
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Post by guesty on Apr 12, 2006 21:13:18 GMT -5
God bless England and long live the Queen.
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Post by Jack on Apr 13, 2006 1:09:00 GMT -5
I drink Jack Daniels....which is bourbon whiskey.
God save the king!
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Queen Vickies fault
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Post by Queen Vickies fault on Apr 13, 2006 1:12:07 GMT -5
It's all Queen Victoria's fault. She died in 1901. Let's move on.
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Post by Scots on Apr 13, 2006 1:35:41 GMT -5
Scots refers to the people of Scotland.
Scotch refers to whisky. Its a plain fact, and any amount of denying it above is just nonsense. Scotch is whisky from Scotland.
Scotland is not the only place that makes whisky, but is the only place that makes Scotch.
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Post by Pure Scot on Apr 13, 2006 3:18:26 GMT -5
You are talking about how Scotch is traditionally used in Scotland (only). If you study books from prior eras, even Scottish books, you will see that there are/were such people as "Scotchmen !" The English language still uses Scotch in the terms already quoted.
If you truly hail from Scotland, you will swiftly attest that the Scots (or Scotch) do not refer to whisky as either "whisky" or "Scotch !" They actually call it a "wee drammie" (though it's not so "wee"), "cauld tea," "nectar of life," "a hauf" (a half), "a nip (not Japanese)," "a chaser," and a hundred other things. In Scottish bars you NEVER hear a Scotsman (Scotchman) asking for "a Scotch." Sometimes whisky may be used by the not so Scotch amongst them, but the nearest Scotch that I know of to Scotland is "Scotch Corner" which is halfway down Hades (I mean England !).
Interestingly the poster Scots has spelt "whisky" correctly. Over here we are used to people putting "E's" in our food, not our whisky !" Hands off.
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Post by guesty on Apr 14, 2006 21:46:54 GMT -5
and scotch is the only whisky worth drinking.
And God bless England.
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Post by Robert Burns on Apr 27, 2006 0:42:16 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2006 5:46:26 GMT -5
The truth started in Victorian England around 1900. Old English-Irish-Scotch ideas, values, and traditions have continued albeit moderated some in the last few years. I guess we have to blame it on the Irish guys! Women didn't wear "men's clothing" in 1900 so they shouldn't today, they reason! Jesus didn't change they reason so why should "his people?" Somehow we are told that the "friends" should remain a few years behind times. I agree -- 2x2 doctrine has a far greater Victorian content, than genuine Christian content. Most of the most important aspects of Christian teaching have long since been forgotten in the group. |
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Post by the on Apr 27, 2006 5:48:17 GMT -5
The truth started in Victorian England around 1900. Old English-Irish-Scotch ideas, values, and traditions have continued albeit moderated some in the last few years. I guess we have to blame it on the Irish guys! Women didn't wear "men's clothing" in 1900 so they shouldn't today, they reason! Jesus didn't change they reason so why should "his people?" Somehow we are told that the "friends" should remain a few years behind times. I agree -- 2x2 doctrine has a far greater Victorian content, than genuine Christian content. Most of the most important aspects of Christian teaching have long since been forgotten in the group. forever the joker  |
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