group adherance vs salvation

[GET THIS]

1. group adherance
2. salvation

1 & 2 are mutually exclusive. Neither causes the other, nor does either result because of the other. Do you 2x2s get it YET?

[error]

The above statement is in error.

The two listed option are NOT mutually exclusive.

Salvation is not precluded by any man made device, arrangement, cooperation, etc. Only God has the power to limit salvation.

It is true to say that one does not cause the other, but thats different to saying they are mutually exclusive.

If you must denigrate 2x2s like this, get your facts right.

[GET THIS]

Ok, I gladly retract the first sentence. However, the second sentence stands.

[error]

The fact that half your post is (and you admit this) non-factual, puts your credibility in question.

[Pete]

"Meld ye to one another that ye be separate, for salvation itself is the greatest of separations !"

Gene Nelson (c. 1995 Nr. Boring Convention ?)

For those arguing above, do you need any more proof than this ?

[of course]

error said:

The fact that half your post is (and you admit this) non-factual, puts your credibility in question.

..typical 2x2 response. attack the messenger without responding to the message. Nice...

[Pete]

"Doth not the soaring eagle have credibility ? Doth not it smite its victim with its talons ? Doth not it have a keener eye than that of lesser vision ?"

Gene Nelson - (1996 - to an unemployed stevedore eating a chicken sandwich)

[typical]

Its said to be a typical 2x2 response to attack the messenger.

Is this though not what most ex 2x2s do? attack the messengers?

Any can the message be accepted if the messenger has no credibility?

In any case the message was faulty - wrong.

[Bogusz]

Basically "typical" what you are stating/suggesting is nothing more than a normal human trait when presented with something you don't want to accept.

[Ozzie Nelson wisdom]

Pete said:

"Doth not the soaring eagle have credibility ? Doth not it smite its victim with its talons ? Doth not it have a keener eye than that of lesser vision ?"

Gene Nelson - (1996 - to an unemployed stevedore eating a chicken sandwich)

THE crowds gathered at the foot of the Valley.
Thousands pushed their way through.
The ominous rumbling was heard for miles.

Is he down yet, a merchant selfishly cried.
Where can I see him, an old woman shrieked.
I have waited for him for over one hundred years, a withered man murmured.
The crowd hushed in unison as a glimpse of a figure appeared in the clouded distance.
He is here, they whispered.

He looked almost young yet his age was impossible to guess.
He was not tall, yet he had many tall ways.
As they stared, he sat upon a rock.
Quietly folding his arms, he began to speak:

I am here.
I am tired.
But I will answer your questions.
Bring me food, drink, and don't forget a little gold.
A little silver for an answer.
A drachma for a doubt, a penny for a thought.
For I am The Profit and what I have learned has cost me ten lifetimes.
What you are about to learn has cost you two dollars and fifty cents.

[Bogusz]

Zos Trowiesz czeszt !

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Bogusz said:

Basically "typical" what you are stating/suggesting is nothing more than a normal human trait when presented with something you don't want to accept.

Why do you accept that your salavation is dependent upon which group you affiliate with?

[Bogusz]

I'm at a loss with your question above, ic.

I think my post in reply typical could have been worded better. I was trying to convey that the actions or reactions they mentioned were a typical human response when people (in general) are presented with something they don't want to accept. I didn't mean this was "typical's" position.

[withopeneyes (Mandy)]

You are correct, salvation and group adherance are two separate things.

I go to meetings, conventions, and get togethers to have fellowship. I also have fellowship with a select few people outside of the 2x2s. In my mind, I don't think "Hey, if I do what everyone else in this group does, I'll go to heaven!"