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[Pam]

Where can I find the list of all groups, example, Women Professing@yahoogroups, M-T, etc. I thought it was on here I saw it. thanks a million.

[InnocentQ]

I can not assure you this is a friends and workers type of site...

groups.yahoo.com/group/WomenProfessing/

God Bless!

[Pam]

Thank you, but I was looking for all of the groups. They used to be listed here.

[Deleted]

Pam, perchance this might be one of the lists you are looking for?

www.angelfire.com/ri/Professing/

dj

[ex-teenager]

I know the one your looking for Pam.. might be able to find it.

p201.ezboard.com/fmargesboardfrm2.showMessage?topicID=18.topic

There you go!

[IQ]

Another list for you Pam.

www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/1209.html?1087396365

Are you the Pam on the ST list?

[Deleted]

Then again, Pam, maybe it is the inhouse thread right here which is the list you are looking for...?

professing.proboards16.com/index.cgi?board=truth&action=display&thread=1127078618

dj

[Deleted]

A Google search on "2x2+workers+friends" turns up 41 thousand addresses -- of course not all are relevant -- but many are. I find the interest in the subject to be amazing. And it seems to be growing.


Edgar

2x2 leaderships claim that cult dissent is just a few isolated, bitter and cantancerous individuals is rather misleading.

[BC]

edgarmassey said:

A Google search on "2x2+workers+friends" turns up 41 thousand addresses -- of course not all are relevant -- but many are. I find the interest in the subject to be amazing. And it seems to be growing.


Edgar

2x2 leaderships claim that cult dissent is just a few isolated, bitter and cantancerous individuals is rather misleading.

Hi Edgar,

This is an extremely misleading comment, not that I would have a prob if it was so. Type in those searches and the first 5 or 6 pages approx 100 hits are related to this fellowship, the next 4 or 5 pages have about 6 or 7 relevant hits. for the next 10 pages approx 200 hits in total there was about 2 or 3 hits relating to the F&W after that it was very very sporadic.

You said "not all are about the F&W but many are" I would say that there are many hits but only a very few are relating to the F&W. Maybe your post was to provoke comment, if so, oops I stepped right into that one.

[shadow=red,left,300]Regards BC[/shadow]

[ex-teenager]

edgarmassey said:

A Google search on "2x2+workers+friends" turns up 41 thousand addresses -- of course not all are relevant -- but many are. I find the interest in the subject to be amazing. And it seems to be growing.


Edgar

2x2 leaderships claim that cult dissent is just a few isolated, bitter and cantancerous individuals is rather misleading.

LOL.. my first try I got 1 result... will try again.!

Update My hint.. dont use the quotes... then you get 41,400 results!

Update 2 out of the first 50 results, 17 are not relevant.

The next 50 results, 35 are not relevant!

So out of the first 100 results, 48 are relevant and the majority 52 are not relvant!

The next 50 only 4 were relevant.. as you can see Edgar.. of those 41,400 I would say 1,000 absolute max would be related... maybe as low as 500!

Only 2 relevant in the next 50... so the first 200 results only 54 are relevant!

Only 1 result for the next 200.. I cant be bothered going any further!! first 400 only 55 are relevent... point made.

If only one per 200 after the first 55 results, then would be about 300 max relevant results!

[Deleted]

Teenager -- are you meaning that by 'only 300' or so relevant results you are buying into 2x2 leaderships claim that cult dissent is just a few isolated, bitter and cantancerous individuals? Are you implying that the voices of consern are insignificant? -- I know that 'ignore them' is the official responce to those who protest the ever rising occurances of obvious corruption, and open dishonesty.

Edgar

Just on this one board 'multi-thousand hit' threads are not uncommon.

[ex-teenager]

edgarmassey said:

Teenager -- are you meaning that by 'only 300' or so relevant results you are buying into 2x2 leaderships claim that cult dissent is just a few isolated, bitter and cantancerous individuals? Are you implying that the voices of consern are insignificant? -- I know that 'ignore them' is the official responce to those who protest the ever rising occurances of obvious corruption, and open dishonesty.

Edgar

Just on this one board 'multi-thousand hit' threads are not uncommon.

Im am not for one minute saying that it is issolated. However I am saying that your claim of many as being relevant is not true.. if I said I knew 300 people in a town of 41,400 I would by no means know many of them. I would on the other hand know few.

The voice of the concerned is not insignificant, however there is no point in saying that it is bigger than it really is.

I would say there are many thousands of exes, in another post you said that you reackon there to be 2 to 3 times more exs than friends and workers, in the case of Ireland that would mean about 4000 ex friends and about 200 ex-workers... this to me is an exageration.

And in no way am I saying 'ignore them' I oviously would'nt be here if I choose to ignore you, or even reply to your post..

[BC]

edgarmassey said:

Teenager -- are you meaning that by 'only 300' or so relevant results you are buying into 2x2 leaderships claim that cult dissent is just a few isolated, bitter and cantancerous individuals? Are you implying that the voices of concern are insignificant? -- I know that 'ignore them' is the official response to those who protest the ever rising occurrences of obvious corruption, and open dishonesty.

Edgar

Just on this one board 'multi-thousand hit' threads are not uncommon.

Edgar,

The point that I and Teenager have made has absolutely nothing to do with what you are saying. We both made comment that you misrepresented the information that was available to you and distorted the facts to make a sensationalized statement that in no wise represented the truth. You often berate those in the way for doing just that and soo often run the workers down for distorting/miss-presenting the truth etc yet seem to take license when it comes to yourself.
Then act indignant and all hurt when we point this out to you and immediately shoot off on a non related tangent trying to make it look like it's a gross negligence on teenagers part that is really the the point of issue. We never said anything about whether we should or shouldn't ignore perceived injustices or that we

are buying into 2x2 leaderships claim that cult dissent is just a few isolated, bitter and cantancerous individuals?

but were highlighting your inaccuracy.

Don't take this personal Edgar we are just making a point.

Have a nice day
[shadow=red,left,300]Regards BC[/shadow]

[Deleted]

bc said:

edgarmassey said:

Teenager -- are you meaning that by 'only 300' or so relevant results you are buying into 2x2 leaderships claim that cult dissent is just a few isolated, bitter and cantancerous individuals? Are you implying that the voices of concern are insignificant? -- I know that 'ignore them' is the official response to those who protest the ever rising occurrences of obvious corruption, and open dishonesty.

Edgar

Just on this one board 'multi-thousand hit' threads are not uncommon.

Edgar,

The point that I and Teenager have made has absolutely nothing to do with what you are saying. We both made comment that you misrepresented the information that was available to you and distorted the facts to make a sensationalized statement that in no wise represented the truth. You often berate those in the way for doing just that and soo often run the workers down for distorting/miss-presenting the truth etc yet seem to take license when it comes to yourself.
Then act indignant and all hurt when we point this out to you and immediately shoot off on a non related tangent trying to make it look like it's a gross negligence on teenagers part that is really the the point of issue. We never said anything about whether we should or shouldn't ignore perceived injustices or that we

are buying into 2x2 leaderships claim that cult dissent is just a few isolated, bitter and cantancerous individuals?

but were highlighting your inaccuracy.

Don't take this personal Edgar we are just making a point.

Have a nice day
[shadow=red,left,300]Regards BC[/shadow]

OK BC -- then are you meaning that by moving focus from the 'only 300' or so relevant results you are buying into 2x2 leaderships claim that cult dissent is just a few isolated, bitter and cantancerous individuals?

Are you implying that the voices of concern are insignificant? -- I know that 'ignore them' (and belittle them) is the official responce to those who protest the ever rising occurances of obvious corruption, and open dishonesty.

Edgar

Just on this one board 'multi-thousand hit' threads are not uncommon.

By the way, other searchs like 2x2 + cult or 2x2 + cooneyite or cult + workers + friends ALSO will turn out large numbers of hits -- many of them VERY VERY relevant. Don't marginalize the concern and interest in this topic!!! Many books have been written and published -- many people devote alot of time and effort (sometimes at a high personal cost). Much of it is quite independant from the influence of the others.

Pretending that it doesn't exist (in a fairly large scale) doesn't serve the interest of truth and integrity!!

BC -- another 2x2 habit that you seem to invoke is that when the pressure gets high, try to discredit the poster instead of the post, or when the light reveals too much unpleasantness then "blow it out"

[Rolly parks]

Just to buy in to this numbers game.
How many of the "hits" relate to "other" religions, or "other" Christians, who have never been part of the F&W group, who are attacking the F&W.
I think that Edgar is suggesting that all these "hits" are from dissenting and disillusioned former friends or workers.
Numbers should never be a sign of "rightness or correctness".

[Deleted]

Rolly said:

Just to buy in to this numbers game.
How many of the "hits" relate to "other" religions, or "other" Christians, who have never been part of the F&W group, who are attacking the F&W.
I think that Edgar is suggesting that all these "hits" are from dissenting and disillusioned former friends or workers.
Numbers should never be a sign of "rightness or correctness".

I agree that numbers are not any kind of indication of rightness or correctness. However my point is that it is nothing but 'sticking your head in the sand' to support the 2x2 leadership illusion that dissent is just a marginal phenominon by a few bitter and disgruntled rebels --

The concern expressed by those who protest the ever rising occurances of obvious corruption, and open dishonesty in the group, is a a very very large movement by a very large number of people -- each with their own story and history.

[ex-teenager]

Edgar it really does take a man to step down and accept that you are wrong..

Of the suggested search criteria you said many were relevant, I have shown that few are relevant.. do you accept that? or would you prefer to go on and on about, '2x2 leadership', 'cult something' and so on - totally irrelevant to what I am saying.

I am not saying that there is little concern.. simply stating that your estimate is a huge exageration... dont change the subject..

You also fail to comment on you estimate of 4000 ex friends and 200 ex workers in Ireland, which I look forward to hearing about.

I am not attacking you, however I do feel that if someone has shown your statement to be wrong or inaccurate.. maybe just maybe you would admit it.

[ex-teenager]

2x2 + cult = 37,900 results, probably the same as before 300-400 relevant results.

2x2 + cooneyite = 30 results, ofcourse they are relevant.

cult + workers + friends = 4,270,000 results - how many are relevant? would take to long to work out.. but I wouldnt think to many!

Look forward to your responses Edgar.

[Rolly parks]

Edgar,

You say "it is nothing but sticking your head in the sand to support 2x2 leadership illusion that dissent is just a marginal phenomenon by a few bitter and disgruntled rebels"

Edgar, if we play the numbers game, it is a "few bitter and disgruntled rebels."

The number who post here a very few in number to the greater number of "professing" (I dislike that word) people.

You should have your say, that is democracy, but you are in the vast minority.

You may be a good man in mans eyes, but it is Gods eyes that really count. I just think that the safest option is to do nothing, for I may be wrong in not being part of their beliefs.

I let F's & W's believe what they wish and I live my life as best I can, and relate to God in a way that I think is acceptable to Him.

Knocking the daylights out of F 's & W's will do me no good in eternity.

[Deleted]

teenager said:

2x2 + cult = 37,900 results, probably the same as before 300-400 relevant results.

2x2 + cooneyite = 30 results, ofcourse they are relevant.

cult + workers + friends = 4,270,000 results - how many are relevant? would take to long to work out.. but I wouldnt think to many!

Look forward to your responses Edgar.

Teenager are you suggesting that the number of results that are not relevant, are the 'most relevant' numbers to consider. Is focusing on the non-relevant results a method of diverting attention from the hundreds (by your estimation) of very relevant spots?

Or are you suggesting that 300 - 500 internet pages by concerned people are too few to worry about.

[ex-teenager]

edgarmassey said:

teenager said:

2x2 + cult = 37,900 results, probably the same as before 300-400 relevant results.

2x2 + cooneyite = 30 results, ofcourse they are relevant.

cult + workers + friends = 4,270,000 results - how many are relevant? would take to long to work out.. but I wouldnt think to many!

Look forward to your responses Edgar.

Teenager are you suggesting that the number of results that are not relevant, are the 'most relevant' numbers to consider. Is focusing on the non-relevant results a method of diverting attention from the hundreds (by your estimation) of very relevant spots?

Or are you suggesting that 300 - 500 internet pages by concerned people are too few to worry about.

Nope Edgar.. never said that or suggested it..

The point still remains of the 41,000+ hits you said that many are rellevant... 'ofcourse not all but many are.'

This is untrue and inaccurate.... there are quite a few sites, however in that search criteria and out of the 41,000 results few are relevant.

[IQ]

Wasnt this thread about trying to find a list of 2x2's related sites?

How did this thread get so derailed?

[BC]

Sorry Innocentq,

My fault, I just pointed out to Edgar that the comment he made was a little in error and he is trying to turn it into a major debate showing how evil the workers of this "cult" are and that we are ignoring all sorts of misdemeaners and numbers.

I'll just quietly withdraw and leave him be.

[shadow=red,left,300]Regards BC[/shadow]

[Deleted]

bc said:

Sorry Innocentq,

My fault, I just pointed out to Edgar that the comment he made was a little in error and he is trying to turn it into a major debate showing how evil the workers of this "cult" are and that we are ignoring all sorts of misdemeaners and numbers.

I'll just quietly withdraw and leave him be.

[shadow=red,left,300]Regards BC[/shadow]

[Hits]

The "multi-thousands" of hits mentioned is also grossly misleading, as are many comments.

If one person of the hundred or so on this board posts a post and all read it, it gets say 100 hits.
Then, because it was interesting, one more posts a reply, and all read it, theres 200 hits.

Now if half the ppl (say 50) replies, and all 100 read each reply, the we suddenly have 5000 hits.

Now there's probably more than a hundred readers/ posters.
So 5000 hits might only mean 1-200 ppl here.

[ex-teenager]

You are correct.. I have read this thread at least 20 times..

Some threads I may have read upto 50 times, continually checking back as they are added to.