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Post by goodapollo on Mar 30, 2006 2:50:55 GMT -5
I just got back from seeing the daring and inspiring new movie V for Vendetta. It touches on many issues that face the members of the Go Preacher way. I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. (I loved it!) However, as a common courtesy, I would like to warn everyone that it is rated R for the violence.
I thought it was uncanny how the very issues that the movie addressed were those of mind control and cult-mindedness. Has anyone else seen this movie or read the ten-book comic series? Any thoughts?
Sincerely,
good apollo
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Post by we are all controlled on Mar 30, 2006 7:28:18 GMT -5
OK, but in reality we all are under one form or another of 'mind control' It is impossible for a human mind to control itself, we are controled by the powers that we allow to control us, either evil powers, or godly powers, take your choice, you are not as free as you think you are.
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Post by spiderman on Mar 30, 2006 9:01:06 GMT -5
I have not seen that movie yet but I'd like to. The previews remind of a Nazi movie. Talk about mind control!
The above poster might not define freedom or mind control the way I do. When we're under the influence of other men's minds we are in for trouble, even if those men are nice enough people, as in the case of the above mentioned Go Preachers.
I think we need to have a desire to KNOW God and to wait for His direction. Freedom to me means free from the bonds of my own and other men's will, free to follow and live by the spirit of truth that Jesus sent to lead us away from the influences of mere men.
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Post by towit on Mar 30, 2006 9:47:13 GMT -5
I just got back from seeing the daring and inspiring new movie V for Vendetta. It touches on many issues that face the members of the Go Preacher way. I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. (I loved it!) However, as a common courtesy, I would like to warn everyone that it is rated R for the violence. I thought it was uncanny how the very issues that the movie addressed were those of mind control and cult-mindedness. Has anyone else seen this movie or read the ten-book comic series? Any thoughts? Sincerely, good apollo The script was originally written with Margaret Thatcher's government in mind as the "totallitarian". Comic-book legend Moore, who calls himself an anarchist, originally wrote V for Vendetta in part to protest the conservative government of Margaret Thatcher. www.decentfilms.com/sections/reviews/vforvendetta.htmlBy the way- that site gave the movie an "F". The New Yorker Review: V for Vendetta,” a dunderheaded pop fantasia that celebrates terrorism and destruction, is perhaps the ultimate example of how a project with modest origins becomes a media monster. The prehistory of the movie begins in England, in 1981, with a gloomy but excitingly drawn series that was concocted by the writer Alan Moore and his illustrator-collaborator, David Lloyd, and initially appeared in the magazine Warrior. By the time Moore and Lloyd finished the series, in 1988, and it was collected and published as a graphic novel, Margaret Thatcher had been elected for a third term. Moore, in an introduction to the book, insisted that “the government has expressed a desire to eradicate homosexuality.” He also said that “the tabloid press are circulating the idea of concentration camps for persons with AIDS.” As far as one can tell, Moore and Lloyd’s work was fuelled by the British left’s disgust with Thatcher’s policies, combined with imaginary menaces culled from antic British tabloids.www.newyorker.com/critics/cinema/articles/060320crci_cinema |
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Post by spiderman on Mar 30, 2006 13:37:06 GMT -5
The New Yorker Review: V for Vendetta,” a dunderheaded pop fantasia that celebrates terrorism and destruction, is perhaps the ultimate example of how a project with modest origins becomes a media monster. The prehistory of the movie begins in England, in 1981, with a gloomy but excitingly drawn series that was concocted by the writer Alan Moore and his illustrator-collaborator, David Lloyd, and initially appeared in the magazine Warrior. By the time Moore and Lloyd finished the series, in 1988, and it was collected and published as a graphic novel, Margaret Thatcher had been elected for a third term. Moore, in an introduction to the book, insisted that “the government has expressed a desire to eradicate homosexuality.” He also said that “the tabloid press are circulating the idea of concentration camps for persons with AIDS.” As far as one can tell, Moore and Lloyd’s work was fuelled by the British left’s disgust with Thatcher’s policies, combined with imaginary menaces culled from antic British tabloids.www.newyorker.com/critics/cinema/articles/060320crci_cinemaNow I really want to see it. ;D |
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Post by goodapollo on Mar 30, 2006 15:58:10 GMT -5
You're right Peter. Mind control is trouble. Also that is one big difference in V for Vendetta and the 2x2 way is the nice people. The government figures in V are definitely bad people. ;D
Sincerely,
good apollo
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Post by bowhunter on Mar 30, 2006 18:11:34 GMT -5
Thanks for the review,Goodappollo!I hope to see it soon.
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Post by do on Mar 30, 2006 18:20:59 GMT -5
do any of you think that we should/could be free of any mind control?
bear in mine this is the very thing God wants to do
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Post by Simple on Mar 30, 2006 18:48:45 GMT -5
do any of you think that we should/could be free of any mind control? bear in mine this is the very thing God wants to do Jesus was perfectly free of mind control....... By his faith.............. He choose to pay the price, with his own free will, he did it. He overcame his flesh, like a lamb led to slaughter he did it for us. Cause he did love us. Now we must follow him, if we believe in him. Not someone who says "following me is following him" No one can lead us to our death, but Jesus. We can only guide each other. The spirit of God bears witness to Jesus Christ. He had free will to overcome. We can seek out and do what the God of creation wants for us. How come no one here ever talks about that? To worried about your own reputations? To worried about not measuring up? To others expectations? God can take one little grain of faith on our part and turn it into a mighty tree. Follow Jesus
Follow Jesus
Follow Jesus
Only Jesus
Only Jesus
Only Jesus
Find the Truth
Find the Truth
Find the Truth
Do not let the devil deceive you any longer
Learn how he has deceived you
Learn why he has deceived you
God is handing out miracles today
His spirit is ready when you are ready
Are you ready? Come receive your gifts from God
Set sail with Jesus at the helm
Fear not the troubled waters
You have an invitation from the Holy and merciful God of creation. Call his name |
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Post by control on Mar 30, 2006 18:54:19 GMT -5
OK, but in reality we all are under one form or another of 'mind control' It is impossible for a human mind to control itself, we are controled by the powers that we allow to control us, either evil powers, or godly powers, take your choice, you are not as free as you think you are. Humans, can not even control their tongues.....who can you expect them to control their minds....  |
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Post by Good question on Mar 30, 2006 19:11:39 GMT -5
"do any of you think that we should/could be free of any mind control? bear in mine this is the very thing God wants to do " This is what I thought for years. I knew there was mind control involved with the workers church, but I accepted it because it says we should allow "the renewing of our mind". Because I believed the workers were God's only, and true servants of God I was willing to "fit in" and for all intents and purposes "allow" my mind to be controlled. I allowed myself to be "loved in". What I didn't realize is that this called "cohersive persuasion" and is very, very powerful because we, ourselves, internalize the cult indoctrination. Once I saw that this was NOT the only way and the workers are NOT the only true servants of God the whole perspective changed and I asked for my mind back. Got it too  |
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Post by bumber on Mar 30, 2006 20:04:44 GMT -5
relational aggression
Weki --Article
Shunning is the act of deliberately avoiding association with, and habitually keeping away from an individual or group. It is a sanction against association commonly associated with religious groups following excommunication or dismembership. In some cases, the shunned person or group is considered as anathema, abominable, or spiritually diseased by the shunning group.
A distinct practice sometimes confused with shunning involves the severing of ties between new members and those of their friends and family who disapprove of the faith. The Church of Scientology coined the word disconnection to refer to that practice.
Shunning aims to exclude, punish, and shame a member who commits acts seen as wrong by the group, who questions what the member sees as wrongs the group commits, or who flees the group. Usually, shunning is done after formal excommunication or disfellowship and not before. Shunning is often intended to teach obedience and squelch disobedience or nonconformance by the shunned and to punish defiance from the shunned. Shunning can also be used to condemn and shame such members, to compel them back into conforming membership, and to punish those who persist in violating the group's norms.
As the practice may destroy marriages, break up families, and separate children from their parents (or vice versa), it is particularly controversial. The effect of shunning can be very dramatic or even devastating on the shunnee, as it can damage or destroy the shunned member's closest familial, spousal, and social bonds. Oh boy is that trueThe extent to which the shunned member's larger social rights in a society are affected by such shunning can also make a dramatic difference in the effect of shunning, beyond the aforementioned costs. In cases where a group or religion is state-sanctioned, a key power, or in the majority, a shunned former member may face especially severe social, political, and/or financial costs. Some, especially researchers of mind control, brainwashing and menticide groups, identify the practice with "cult-like" or totalitarian behaviour.
Shunning contains aspects of what is known as relational aggression in the psychological literature. When used by church members and member-spouse parents against excommunicant parents it contains elements of what pyschologists call parental alienation. Extreme shunning often causes traumas to the shunned (and to their innocent dependents) similar to what is studied in the psychology of torture
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Post by horsewoman on Mar 31, 2006 0:27:01 GMT -5
Bumber....where did you get this information?
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Post by goodapollo on Mar 31, 2006 2:21:33 GMT -5
Shunning is definitely uncool. I'm just glad I'm not getting hauled off to torture camps because of what I say on these boards like those in V !  Freedom forever! ;D Go democracy! Light-heartedly and sincerely, good apollo |
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Post by sme on Mar 31, 2006 13:52:01 GMT -5
You saw a movie?? Oh for shame. I am appalled. Did you go with your professing boy/girlfriend? Did the workers give you clearance? Or did they go with you?
You're a democrat?
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Post by firstborn on Mar 31, 2006 14:18:38 GMT -5
You saw a movie?? Oh for shame. I am appalled. Did you go with your professing boy/girlfriend? Did the workers give you clearance? Or did they go with you? You're a democrat? By the way, sme wouldn't stand for.Simple Minded Earthling would it? |
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Post by goodapollo on Mar 31, 2006 14:22:53 GMT -5
By the way, sme wouldn't stand for.Simple Minded Earthling would it? lol... ;D I was thinking the same thing Firstborn! But wait, you were just joking right Sme? Sincerely, good apollo |
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Post by firstborn on Mar 31, 2006 14:27:17 GMT -5
By the way, sme wouldn't stand for.Simple Minded Earthling would it? lol... ;D I was thinking the same thing Firstborn! But wait, you were just joking right Sme? Sincerely, good apollo I would assume that it was sarcasm at its finest. |
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Post by goodapollo on Mar 31, 2006 14:47:17 GMT -5
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Post by sme on Apr 1, 2006 0:19:11 GMT -5
'sme it's me ya know? kinda like 'sher or at's her. it's the way some folks talk. it's easier ya know? don't have to open the lips very far or use the tongue much. plus, if yer talkin' to folks in the arya, ya don't talk over 'em, which means ya talk lak they dooo. therefore, 'sme again, margaret. hawk sarcastic?  me??? |
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Post by sme on Apr 1, 2006 2:57:22 GMT -5
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Post by goodapollo on Apr 3, 2006 3:18:56 GMT -5
Does he say something about V for Vendetta? |
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Post by sarahjane on Apr 6, 2006 18:23:21 GMT -5
You know, I really liked the movie V as well. I've heard that a lot of people are "P for Pissed" because they think it's attacking Christianity. But I don't think it's attacking Christianity at all. Maybe it's attacking certain practices of certain people who are part of the religion, but on the whole, I think it champions a lot of Christian ideas.
I loved the explosions. They were the best part!
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Post by Yellow on Apr 6, 2006 18:41:29 GMT -5
Wow! Even a female loved the movie! That's impressive! I thought it was definitely an action flick. Maybe I'll have to go see it, too.
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Post by goodapollo on Apr 7, 2006 2:32:07 GMT -5
Hello Sarah,
I didn't know that some thought V was attacking Christianity. That's crazy. I guess you get out of it what you read into it. I like what you said about "attacking certain practices of certain people in a religion." ;D The movie really does inspire one to think for oneself. Thank you.
Sincerely,
good apollo
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Post by think2much on Apr 7, 2006 3:11:40 GMT -5
Hello Sarah, I didn't know that some thought V was attacking Christianity. That's crazy. I guess you get out of it what you read into it. I like what you said about "attacking certain practices of certain people in a religion." ;D The movie really does inspire one to think for oneself. Thank you. Sincerely, good apollo I went and watched "V" tonight and enjoyed the movie for the most part; I like action flicks, although the gore level was a bit much in this one. Although I didn't think this was an overtly anti-Christian film, remember the TV guy (the Voice of England, or whatever) in the beginning sequences? If that wasn't a veiled slam on TV preachers I don't know what it was. The whole film was fairly left-leaning, IMO, but I went to the theater knowing that, so I didn't find it overly offensive to my more conservative viewpoints. It definitely made me grateful for the freedoms I've enjoyed in my lifetime. |
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Post by Pete on Apr 7, 2006 4:53:51 GMT -5
"As surely as the cougar hunts to sustain itself, the moving picture stalks its prey inasmuch cunning fashion !"
Gene Nelson - 2004 - to a team of road workers mending a drain (during their tea break)
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Freedom forever! ;D Go democracy!
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