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Post by too bad on Mar 29, 2006 16:39:12 GMT -5
They think anything we say or think contrary to their opinions is human wisdom! Wisdom of man! Their opinions are human contrary to what some in the "truth" believe! They feel their authority comes from heaven and shouldn't be challenged or questioned in many cases.
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Post by IllinoisGal on Mar 30, 2006 7:25:24 GMT -5
As long as we are breathing we will be human. We will have human reasoning.
(Paraphrased) The scripture says to try the spirits and know they are from God..
I believe regular folks can have Gods annointing on there life and in no way has to be a minister.
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Post by regular on Mar 30, 2006 8:47:32 GMT -5
We are ALL regular folks - ALL the same before God. I agree with IllinoisGal that all people can have Gods annointing on their lives.
So often what a worker said whether it be scriptual or not is looked at as the greatest wisdom around - even if it makes no sense at all. Why is that?
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Post by Divine Humans on Mar 31, 2006 6:15:59 GMT -5
This is what really gets up my nose:
Whatever workers say is divine, and must be obeyed, lest you display your rebellious spirit.
Workers sometimes make mistakes, so you should cut them some slack, lest you display your unforgiving spirit.
Arrrrrrrgggghhh!
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Post by authority on Mar 31, 2006 7:58:21 GMT -5
The Workers authority is granted to them by the people who place themselves beholden.
People who agree to this arrangement deserve what they get. Anyone who allows a volunteer to have rule over their life is shirking their own self-responsibility.
Unless you happen to be a minor child in a 2x2 home, there is no reason to be whining like a victim. The authority the Workers have is the authority you give them.
When you come to fully realize that the Workers have no valid authority, you'll be able to relate to them as the fellow human beings that they are. Their opinions of you and their opinions of themselves will carry no more weight than anyone else. It is you who gives them the power over you, not God.
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Post by wonderful advice on Mar 31, 2006 9:31:15 GMT -5
I simply love to listen to the advice of the workers.
So far they haven't sent me a bill either, yet, I feel I have been wonderfully blessed, by listening to it.
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Post by oh yeah on Mar 31, 2006 11:59:40 GMT -5
I simply love to listen to the advice of the workers. So far they haven't sent me a bill either, yet, I feel I have been wonderfully blessed, by listening to it. The Workers have been advising the flock to stay away from these sites. I see by your post that even though you may "simply love to listen to the advice of the Workers", you do not simply love to heed the advice of the Workers! That's a start....  I'm sure their advice is worth what you paid for it. ;D |
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Post by Kate Ranber on Mar 31, 2006 13:54:54 GMT -5
What a Trendual post to make Mr or Mrs Oh Yeah !
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Post by goodapollo on Mar 31, 2006 14:19:13 GMT -5
I don't agree with what a lot of the workers say, but I'm not going to generalize and say that they all think they are divine. There are a few that have their heads on straight. I just spoke with one today who doesn't think exclusively at all. This person is a revolutionary. It would be good for some to listen to what this worker has to say.
Sincerely,
good apollo
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Post by firstborn on Mar 31, 2006 14:39:55 GMT -5
I don't agree with what a lot of the workers say, but I'm not going to generalize and say that they all think they are divine. There are a few that have their heads on straight. I just spoke with one today who doesn't think exclusively at all. This person is a revolutionary. It would be good for some to listen to what this worker has to say. Sincerely, good apollo Must be a newbee? Ia. worker? |
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Post by goodapollo on Mar 31, 2006 15:04:04 GMT -5
He's been in the ministry for (I think he said) ten years. Yeah, he's an Iowa worker. I can see where you'd think he's a newb though. I'm still amazed at his ability to find hope for the future in the 2x2 way. He sees a huge change on the horizon for this way. I love him wish him all the best! But I'm afraid that I can no longer continue to fight that losing battle for hope.  Sincerely, good apollo |
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Post by say what on Mar 31, 2006 15:53:28 GMT -5
What a Trendual post to make Mr or Mrs Oh Yeah ! Trendual - Word not found in the Dictionary and Encyclopedia - .........? |
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Post by firstborn on Mar 31, 2006 17:26:37 GMT -5
What a Trendual post to make Mr or Mrs Oh Yeah ! Trendual - Word not found in the Dictionary and Encyclopedia - .........? Good! I was getting that dumb feeling again. |
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Post by handy cliche on Mar 31, 2006 18:04:36 GMT -5
Over & over...ad..nauseum, anything contrary to 2x2 teachings has always been quickly dissmissed as "man's ideas". It's a very handy & convenient little cliche to quickly trot out anytime that opposition arises.
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Post by bowhunter on Mar 31, 2006 18:55:45 GMT -5
He's been in the ministry for (I think he said) ten years. Yeah, he's an Iowa worker. I can see where you'd think he's a newb though. I'm still amazed at his ability to find hope for the future in the 2x2 way. He sees a huge change on the horizon for this way. I love him wish him all the best! But I'm afraid that I can no longer continue to fight that losing battle for hope. Sincerely, good apollo I know of whom you speak and have had some good visits with him.(all since my exit in'01)He and a companion even attended a baptist church that some of the exes from that field attend.Had a great after lunch visit with the pastor,the worker of whom we speak was not arrogant ,only inquisitive.He said he really enjoyed the visit-I believe he did.His companion was obviously uncomfortable and mostly silent.It was a good day for us to.He seems to have a handle on things.Hope he can facilitate an awakening in the group. |
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Post by as i c it on Mar 31, 2006 18:58:31 GMT -5
handy cliche, Chiches became "truths": and are, often "truths" with the workers and friends. Up until this generation, no one (probably) even thought to challenge--or examine--the "truths"--to see if what was said was actually factual. Those on the net--have. And I think that's what's separating us (and causing us) to lose so much of our "happiness" and "satisfaction" that we once found in the church. We hear the statements and generalizations stated like rock solid facts (about Christians of other churches...and all kinds of issues): and "take issue" with what we hear (and are "forced" to "accept" as "truth")--and it's not just not easy to endure any more... I'm not convinced it's a deliberate "evil" on the part of the workers. Just an "unawareness" and "stuck in a rut' kind of thinking. (  ). No-"not thinking/not examining/not knowing better" on their part, or with many of the friends. This generation isn't quite as accepting. So, I'm hoping, that such thought/opinions will get "challenged"...by "the kids" to their parents...and from their parents to others, until those cliches cease. |
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Post by your thoughts please on Mar 31, 2006 20:05:45 GMT -5
I get the impression that 2x2s think that workers MUST be involved as some-sort-of go-between, between God/Jesus & us....in order for salvation to be achieved. What are your thoughts regarding this, please.
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Post by in our very midst on Mar 31, 2006 20:11:45 GMT -5
Has it not been said that in the end-times a rebellios generation shall rise up?
Do you think that with the X-movement, the "great falling away" prophesy is actually becoming manifested in our very midst?
God's church is the "2x2 church" and the unfortunate and led-astray ones (the Xs) being "The fallen away".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2006 20:18:16 GMT -5
To your thoughts please: For as long as I can remember, workers considered themselves on a plane closer to God. Some of us have even been rebuked for not creating a greater distance between ourselves and the friends.
To in your very midst: Do you actually believe that is what that scripture foretells? How sad in my opinion. But yes, that is the party line and you are going to hold to it, huh? I do notice the conviction is not so strong you can actually identify yourself with it by name. Why do you suppose that is?
Sincerely,
Dennis
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Post by bowhunter on Apr 1, 2006 23:00:20 GMT -5
Has it not been said that in the end-times a rebellios generation shall rise up? Do you think that with the X-movement, the "great falling away" prophesy is actually becoming manifested in our very midst? God's church is the "2x2 church" and the unfortunate and led-astray ones (the Xs) being "The fallen away". That's what the workers would have you think.They are using that out of context to keep people scared!Those verses are refering to a falling away from GOD-not the workers church.The exes I know are closer to God than ever.We are rebelling,yes-but not against God! |
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Post by as i c it on Apr 2, 2006 1:58:17 GMT -5
"If a thousand old beliefs were ruined in our march for truth, we must still march on". (S.A. Brooke) From TTT (posted on p.14 under thread "What is Truth".)
Quote seemed appropriate to follow bowhunter's comment (and those who left--to stay true to God)
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Post by as i c it on Apr 2, 2006 4:00:20 GMT -5
I don't mean to infer that the workers and friends aren't true to God. They are. In line with their knowledge. (Otherwise, their service would be for nought)
I often wonder how many workers have fully examined the history for themselves. And how many have just heard from another that it's untrue--and accepted what they've heard...
Once you accept that it did start with WI et al, in the recent past...and once you begin to see that they were but men...and subject to failings...then,, "awareness" can start to take place.
Meanwhile, each can only hold true to God in accordance with what they know and believe to be true.
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Post by would be good on Apr 2, 2006 5:09:11 GMT -5
He's been in the ministry for (I think he said) ten years. Yeah, he's an Iowa worker. I can see where you'd think he's a newb though. I'm still amazed at his ability to find hope for the future in the 2x2 way. He sees a huge change on the horizon for this way. I love him wish him all the best! But I'm afraid that I can no longer continue to fight that losing battle for hope. Sincerely, good apollo I know of whom you speak and have had some good visits with him.(all since my exit in'01)He and a companion even attended a baptist church that some of the exes from that field attend.Had a great after lunch visit with the pastor,the worker of whom we speak was not arrogant ,only inquisitive.He said he really enjoyed the visit-I believe he did.His companion was obviously uncomfortable and mostly silent.It was a good day for us to.He seems to have a handle on things.Hope he can facilitate an awakening in the group. It would sure be good to know a worker like that. Could you enlighten us as to who it is or do you have to keep the name a secret? How will he facilitate an awakening if no one know who he is and we all can seek him out? |
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Post by bowhunter on Apr 2, 2006 18:14:11 GMT -5
It would sure be good to know a worker like that. Could you enlighten us as to who it is or do you have to keep the name a secret? How will he facilitate an awakening if no one know who he is and we all can seek him out? He can facilitate by continuing to teach and preach in his current manner.His companion may not like it,but he doesn't keep his views a secret.I suspect he will be moved around as is their way-maybe out of state.But if a seeking heart is listening and brave enuff to discuss these things he will succeed.It is not my place to reveal his identity -that would be Goodappollo's privilege. |
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Post by Gene on Apr 2, 2006 22:30:13 GMT -5
Trendual? What is that?
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Post by Amy Smith on Apr 3, 2006 12:04:43 GMT -5
Chamber's Pocket Dictionary
Trendual : v. "vercacious: bordering on mailering or chanfious : irregularly postumen.
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Post by goodapollo on Apr 3, 2006 18:43:34 GMT -5
Me too!
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Post by whose authority on Apr 3, 2006 20:28:11 GMT -5
The Workers authority is granted to them by the people who place themselves beholden. People who agree to this arrangement deserve what they get. Anyone who allows a volunteer to have rule over their life is shirking their own self-responsibility. Unless you happen to be a minor child in a 2x2 home, there is no reason to be whining like a victim. The authority the Workers have is the authority you give them. When you come to fully realize that the Workers have no valid authority, you'll be able to relate to them as the fellow human beings that they are. Their opinions of you and their opinions of themselves will carry no more weight than anyone else. It is you who gives them the power over you, not God. Didn't the Jews say something like that about Moses and then got their little bu*ts whipped for it? It's interesting to me that the Bible contains dire warnings for those who "rebel" against authority, but then leaves it up to us to try and figure out who should rightly be in authority!! Guess wrong and it's off to the Big Oven for you, sinner! Guess right and it's all harps and wings and endless singing (in harmony of course). Hmm, reminds me of a Monty Python movie... Happy guessing! |
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). No-"not thinking/not examining/not knowing better" on their part, or with many of the friends.
