TULIP
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Post by TULIP on Mar 24, 2006 18:55:15 GMT -5
No... I want to know (honestly) what part of it was 'great reading'...
So no... you are not correct...
Would you care to answer what lead you to believe it was 'great reading'?
I have a feeling that you just said this because it was a professing website... I would really like for you to disprove my feeling by explaining why you thought it was 'great reading'?
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Post by InnocentQ on Mar 24, 2006 19:53:05 GMT -5
I, for one, believe this above mention website is very well written and is well supported by scripture(HOLY BIBLE).
I am also well aware that it is/was/will be critiqued and scrutinized by those who oppose the very essence of the friends and workers relationship with Christ.
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Post by you on Mar 24, 2006 20:00:50 GMT -5
Teen, Could you give some insight why you believe it is ‘great reading’? What part of it or what thoughts found on the site do you equate to 'great'? Tulip, I think it's "great reading" for someone looking for more reasons to beat a hasty retreat from these cult like doctrines and thought patterns. you seem to have a great reverence for the tulip but no love or respect for those in the fellowship you are part of  ? |
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TULIP
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Post by TULIP on Mar 24, 2006 20:08:38 GMT -5
I, for one, believe this above mention website is very well written and is well supported by scripture(HOLY BIBLE). I am also well aware that it is/was/will be critiqued and scrutinized by those who oppose the very essence of the friends and workers relationship with Christ. UGH... we oppose the Friends and Workers having a relationship with Christ? Now you're just making things up...  |
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Post by InnocentQ on Mar 24, 2006 20:19:53 GMT -5
I, for one, believe this above mention website is very well written and is well supported by scripture(HOLY BIBLE). I am also well aware that it is/was/will be critiqued and scrutinized by those who oppose the very essence of the friends and workers relationship with Christ. UGH... we oppose the Friends and Workers having a relationship with Christ? Now you're just making things up... Then what is the issue? Do you know for sure what is that is wrong with their doctrine? Do even know what you believe? If so, what is it? |
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TULIP
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Post by TULIP on Mar 24, 2006 20:25:35 GMT -5
with what?
just in general?
Yes... but it's not "their doctrine"... it's doctrine found in the fellowship (not everyone believes in this doctrine that I have concern about... for example happy and towit are people who do not always agree with the teachings I believe are false)... that is often upheld and promoted...
On what sub-subject... I believe in many things... what specific areas would you like me to discuss... I will answer any question you have for me (eo)...
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Post by Ed on Mar 24, 2006 20:45:19 GMT -5
A few comments on the website posted by tulip;
Paying for faith? I suppose that may be true in some few cases, but it is a gross mischaracterization overall.
So then we save ourselves by our obedience? If so, why do we need a saviour?
What about all the verses that suggest otherwise?
Isa 53:11-12 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Ps 130:7 Let Israel hope in the LORD: for with the LORD there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption.
Matt 9:37 Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few;
Matt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
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Post by junia on Mar 24, 2006 21:14:00 GMT -5
I'm almost certain this website is from Jason L in Australia. We haven't heard from him in a while but it exclusive enough to be his work.
I scanned through a little but it's a wasted effort. Stuff like this will only drive more people away, or at least the thinking people.
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Post by nathan7 on Mar 24, 2006 21:14:45 GMT -5
This professing friend contacted me and wanted to post it on our website. This "professing person" reminds me very much of "Jason". Often people reappear in a different guise but with the same beliefs and principals. Nathan, do you agree with everything that is written on this "From the Beginning" web site? Sorry, folks... it might "NOT" be our friend Jason. Whoever this friend is didn't sign his or her name... Jason. Elaine, this person did a very good job.  I agree with most of what this person wrote so far. |
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Post by junia on Mar 24, 2006 21:28:43 GMT -5
I guess I was wrong. D'oh! Oh well.
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Post by wiz of oz on Mar 24, 2006 22:07:42 GMT -5
I guess I was wrong. D'oh! Oh well. Not to worry Junia, you're forgiven & you're still a top guy! The person is from the land of Oz - anybody know a Prue Phillip (or similar)?? I attend the Friends & Workers fellowship for worship, sadly this person "Prue" as well as an impressive and tenacious researcher, is misguided in the extreme. Let's be honest about what's wrong, and embrace if you wish what works for you. |
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Post by junia on Mar 24, 2006 22:12:36 GMT -5
Not to worry Junia, you're forgiven & you're still a top guy! The person is from the land of Oz - anybody know a Prue Phillip (or similar)?? I attend the Friends & Workers fellowship for worship, sadly this person "Prue" as well as an impressive and tenacious researcher, is misguided in the extreme. Let's be honest about what's wrong, and embrace if you wish what works for you. Eggzachary! Amen |
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TULIP
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Post by TULIP on Mar 25, 2006 1:02:29 GMT -5
I agree with most of what this person wrote so far. What don't you agree with? Can you name one thing? |
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TULIP
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Post by TULIP on Mar 25, 2006 1:03:07 GMT -5
maybe the guy's name is phillip... as in pruephillip  |
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Post by nathan7 on Mar 25, 2006 1:04:44 GMT -5
maybe the guy's name is phillip... as in pruephillip ;D good guess and good try but no dice. Don't worry who it is. Stop trying to figure it out who this friend is. Just enjoy the website. |
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Post by pure bs on Mar 25, 2006 1:12:46 GMT -5
Stop trying to figure it out who this friend is. Just enjoy the website. Nothing to enjoy. This fruitcake adores the 2x2 church even more than you and teenager combined. |
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Post by Undermine on Mar 25, 2006 9:42:35 GMT -5
I think the site is an attempt to undermine ex2x2 efforts I've read so little so far was looking for a mention of the 2x2 founder William Irvine didn't find yet?
Has anyone found a mention of William irvine
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Post by new site on Mar 25, 2006 10:08:48 GMT -5
here is the very fist part of the new site
---------------------------------------------What are VOT’s?
The acronym VOT stands for “Veterans of Truth.” VOT’s are apostates who are in the business of self justification.
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Looks like the 2x2s are getting mean ha ha lol
trying to cover up again and again and again
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Post by las logged out on Mar 25, 2006 10:18:03 GMT -5
oh to be bound to the doctrine of works... I am so glad I'm free of that mindset... Amen to that tulip |
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Post by spiderman on Mar 25, 2006 10:22:00 GMT -5
Tulip, I think it's "great reading" for someone looking for more reasons to beat a hasty retreat from these cult like doctrines and thought patterns. you seem to have a great reverence for the tulip but no love or respect for those in the fellowship you are part of ? I don't know Tulip from Adam. But because he is a part of God's creation, a human being, with feelings and a heart like anyone else, I do respect him and love him, the same way I do everyone in the fellowship that you say I have a part. If you knew me and those I know in this fellowship, you could ask them if I love and respect them. You might be surprised by their answer. Listen to this carefully. We have all fallen short of the glory of God. Since the fall of Adam and Eve nothing has changed, except the Savior of our souls has come to make up for our ugliness and our weakness. God in the form of Jesus has done this for us. This is the grace. If it depended on our obedience, as this person would have us believe, who would make it? How difficult is that to get? Hence, the disrespect you feel in my posts are not for the people in the fellowship, not even remotely. Get that clear in your mind. My disrespect is for the system that claims exclusivity on salvation. It's for the system that says if you really know God you'll dress a certain way, wear your hair a certain way, meet in homes in a certain way, follow a set of ministers who have set themselves above all others as God's only true servants. It's the system I reject. And sometime soon I will quietly slip away and people with your mind set can and will probably rejoice. I've been told to stay so I can help others come to the same conclusions I have. But what I've seen happen more often is just people like you making assumptions about me, and calling me the names that this gentlemen in his diatribe has called all those who don't swallow, hook line and sinker, this system of elite Christians. This guy wants to compare people like me with Korah, who rebelled against Moses. That's how deep the indoctrination of this system has become in one hundred years. People who reject this fellowship are not your enemies. Your enemies are not flesh and blood. The sooner you realize this, the sooner you won't feel like you have to justify in some way the existence of your fellowship. If I didn't love and respect people like you, I would have remained silent for the last fifteen years in Sunday morning meetings about all these things. Believe me when I say that it would have been easier in some ways to just banter on along the company lines and know in my heart that things are not what they seem. But because I do love the people in the fellowship I've opened my mouth. Some have heard and some not. But those days are coming to a close. With respect for you, whoever you are. Spiderman |
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Post by Seabisquit on Mar 25, 2006 11:34:40 GMT -5
you seem to have a great reverence for the tulip but no love or respect for those in the fellowship you are part of ? If you knew me and those I know in this fellowship, you could ask them if I love and respect them. You might be surprised by their answer. This is the grace. If it depended on our obedience, as this person would have us believe, who would make it? How difficult is that to get? Hence, the disrespect you feel in my posts are not for the people in the fellowship, not even remotely. Get that clear in your mind. My disrespect is for the system that claims exclusivity on salvation. People who reject this fellowship are not your enemies. Your enemies are not flesh and blood. The sooner you realize this, the sooner you won't feel like you have to justify in some way the existence of your fellowship. If I didn't love and respect people like you, Spiderman Amen, to all of your post Spiderman!! I love the 2X2's and have respect for some of them. I just have a great disrespect for their system! Seabisquit |
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Post by cart pulling horse on Mar 25, 2006 13:23:15 GMT -5
oh to be bound to the doctrine of works... I am so glad I'm free of that mindset... Amen to that tulip much much too bogus ofanimplication, I am not bound to good works, but I believe that the are the result of believing. I think you are unfair in your accessment, as you are implying that the friends drag the horse behind the cart that is being pushed by them. No the horsepower comes from the 'horse'....not the other way. |
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Post by sojourner on Mar 25, 2006 13:36:00 GMT -5
I just wanted to throw in a couple cents worth. I have had a few conversations with Spidey over the years and I have always left the conversation feeling lifted up and ready to grow in the love of God. There have definitely been some challenges to my thinking and from where I sit now I am oh so glad. I remember specifically one Sunday morning meeting maybe 15 years ago when Spidey was talking about loving others and not being afraid to let them know. It was one of the first of many times that caused me to search my own heart and really try to find what was in there. Sometimes I wonder why it took so long to be free, but God's timing is perfect. I can trust his grace for it all. We have realized for a while now that we are saved by grace. Recently, every time I turn on Christian radio I am hearing that not only are we saved by grace we are also kept by grace. Praise God!!!!!
Love Craig G aka Freeman
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TULIP
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Post by TULIP on Mar 25, 2006 14:54:37 GMT -5
maybe the guy's name is phillip... as in pruephillip ;D good guess and good try but no dice. Don't worry who it is. Stop trying to figure it out who this friend is. Just enjoy the website. Oh nathan boy... I will SOOOO remember this when you try to get people on here to tell you who they are... |
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Post by TULIP on Mar 25, 2006 14:55:36 GMT -5
You know Great minds (Phillip, Nathan7 and teenager) think alike. This is no joke... you really believe this... you really beleive you think alike and have the same spirit... and WE do not think like you do... No joke nathan... just your twisted belief... |
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Post by Bad stuff on Mar 25, 2006 20:43:09 GMT -5
From that site.......
"Spirit. Prove that the spirit is just a man (Muslims take this one step further and reckon this man must be Mohammed!) “Spirit” is Greek for pneuma, meaning “breath.” Thus, the spirit is merely human."
"We are saved simply by the virtue of believing we are saved, and nothing else. Such belief enjoys wide currency today and is closely connected to being saved by grace. The belief is that Jesus has come to pay the price for our sin, and if we believe this then we can be partakers of this salvation. The notion violates both common sense and scriptural themes."
"Rubbishing biblical warnings about hell and judgment by pointing to verses that show the love and forgiveness of God."
"Most of the requirements for salvation were spelt out in the so-called Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5 -7 and Luke 6.) These commandments included being humble and poor in spirit; raising above the moral standards of the religious leaders; loving one's enemies; forgiving and not judging others; showing discretion in charity and before disbelievers; walking the hard and narrow way; not being concerned with daily needs; not lusting after fleshly things and seeking only the kingdom of God."
"Saved By Grace is closely connected to other liberal philosophies"
EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
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Post by good stuff on Mar 25, 2006 21:55:02 GMT -5
"We are saved simply by the virtue of believing we are saved, and nothing else. Such belief enjoys wide currency today and is closely connected to being saved by grace. The belief is that Jesus has come to pay the price for our sin, and if we believe this then we can be partakers of this salvation. The notion violates both common sense and scriptural themes." "Rubbishing biblical warnings about hell and judgment by pointing to verses that show the love and forgiveness of God." "Most of the requirements for salvation were spelt out in the so-called Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5 -7 and Luke 6.) These commandments included being humble and poor in spirit; raising above the moral standards of the religious leaders; loving one's enemies; forgiving and not judging others; showing discretion in charity and before disbelievers; walking the hard and narrow way; not being concerned with daily needs; not lusting after fleshly things and seeking only the kingdom of God." "Saved By Grace is closely connected to other liberal philosophies" sounds like good stuff to me, but yes it is 'humbling' to see that we have much room for growth in our own lives and less time to run around sayine EWWWWW about the countless masses that we live amoungst.....EWWWWWWW |
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Post by What Hat on Mar 25, 2006 23:06:52 GMT -5
Stop trying to figure it out who this friend is. Just enjoy the website. Nothing to enjoy. This fruitcake adores the 2x2 church even more than you and teenager combined. what a sorry creature you are |
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I agree with most of what this person wrote so far.
