TULIP
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Post by TULIP on Mar 24, 2006 1:23:36 GMT -5
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TULIP
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Post by TULIP on Mar 24, 2006 1:30:42 GMT -5
oh to be bound to the doctrine of works... I am so glad I'm free of that mindset...
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Post by WELL on Mar 24, 2006 4:09:47 GMT -5
oh to be bound to the doctrine of works... I am so glad I'm free of that mindset... Well aren't you lucky  |
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Post by ex-teenager on Mar 24, 2006 4:39:48 GMT -5
Woow. That makes great reading!
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Post by Picture that on Mar 24, 2006 7:36:07 GMT -5
Looks like the work of a Worker wannabe, rather than a real Worker.
Real Workers didn't use the radio to further their cause.
Real Workers didn't use television to further their cause.
This web-site can in no way be officially tied to the F&W church, although it it obviously written by one of the Friends. Plausible deniability. (Being such that plausible disavowal or disclaimer is possible.)
Someone obviously put a lot of time and effort into this web-site, and their tenacity is commendable. I didn't realize that the F&Ws now approved of likenesses of God, however. (The painting on the title frame.) I know they didn't approve of paintings depicting Jesus back when I was associated with them.
Things change, I guess. Using and electronic medium, pictures of God, what next?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2006 7:54:22 GMT -5
The Christian church
When asked “where in scripture does it say that you must …?” Christians simply replied that they live under Example, not Law.
That is an amazing quote. I have never heard any believer say that they were living under "example." The answer is always Grace.
Even in NT history study, or reading through some of the early church writings I have never come upon this idea, and it's interesting that NO documentation is given by the author...
Thanks Tulip
Karl
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Post by agree on Mar 24, 2006 8:35:10 GMT -5
oh to be bound to the doctrine of works... I am so glad I'm free of that mindset... I agree 100 percent tulip |
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Post by works on Mar 24, 2006 8:41:03 GMT -5
oh to be bound to the doctrine of works... I am so glad I'm free of that mindset... I agree 100 percent tulip just imagine all the work that goes into reading writing interpreting and understanding the 'Bible' Now that is what I call WORK!!  |
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Post by towit on Mar 24, 2006 9:19:11 GMT -5
Tulip, Thank you for providing the link. Sincerely, towit |
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Post by spiderman on Mar 24, 2006 9:58:42 GMT -5
Does anyone know who authored this? It looks like someone went to a great deal of trouble to prove that anyone who leaves the fellowship of the F&W's is despicable, (in the words of Daffy Duck)
If you read this and not the Bible it would almost make everyone want to come back out of fear. I think I'll stick with the bible. I just don't see this fellowship in the New Testament.
This person assumes that the people who leave are all libertines and just go out so they can sin. I'm afraid they would have also called Jesus a libertine. This kind of rhetoric just makes me want more and more to separate myself from these kinds of people. Not everyone in the fellowship is like this, but most of the leadership would give a hearty Hi Ho Silver to this person.(that's Amen to you who don't remember the Lone Ranger and Tonto!) ;D
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Post by Good try on Mar 24, 2006 10:17:46 GMT -5
This person has been well trained. First of all, they do an extremely good job of laying down all the classic mind control technology - I especially loved the piece on "Bible Quoters". The special revelation and ad hominem parts were rich, too. How anybody could beat the F&Ws at taking scripture out of context, claiming the need for a "revelation of truth (meaning the worker's way)" as a key to salvation and mastery of the ad hominem attack is a mystery to me. In classic form they claim that the belief in grace is to desire a life of sin. But what I found most interesting is how such a self declared expert could have absolutely zero commentary regarding Christ's deity. Now that I think about about, I don't recall any commentary about the atoning of Christ's blood, either. Maybe I missed it  I must say it is an impressive effort, but the bottom line is the classic belief that one is saved by entering the kingdom of the worker. I find it ironic that they claim only the need for simplicity, but display the bluster of a pseudo intellectual. |
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Post by Good try on Mar 24, 2006 11:03:23 GMT -5
"I will ask this friend to make a study and do a research on the Trinity and Deity of Christ."
The point is that he has already presented an exhaustive case against former F&Ws - and for salvation through the workers way. The fact that in the midst of all this body of work, study and research these core issues of salvation and Christianity are missing is very telling. In fact, it tells me all I need to know.
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Post by Good try on Mar 24, 2006 11:19:57 GMT -5
Nate,
To clarify myself. The actual issue I feel is most telling is the fact that he went into great depth to discuss salvation (Salvation by grace, by works, by knowledge, etc). It is incomprehensible to me that such a work could omit the very core issue of salvation - Christ's blood. However, the fact is that over 3 decades of listening to workers I heard many, many explanations of salvation that failed to mention Christ's blood. For the clearest example open your hymn book to "There is a Way". The hymn is about finding the way to Heaven. How can it be possible to write a hymn about salvation with no reference at all to Christ's blood? This is the glaring fact evidenced in your friend's body of work.
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Post by pure bs on Mar 24, 2006 13:13:19 GMT -5
So... according to our newly found "expert" anyone disassociated from the workers is merely a Bible-quoting atheist who no longer attends church. Wow. Talk about assumptions.
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TULIP
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Post by TULIP on Mar 24, 2006 13:19:39 GMT -5
I would not be surprised if the author is Jason... But I have my doubts that this is the case...
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Post by pure bs on Mar 24, 2006 13:25:10 GMT -5
Woow. That makes great reading! Well, duh... you love anything that promotes 2x2s |
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TULIP
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Post by TULIP on Mar 24, 2006 13:39:56 GMT -5
Teen,
Could you give some insight why you believe it is ‘great reading’?
What part of it or what thoughts found on the site do you equate to 'great'?
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Post by spiderman on Mar 24, 2006 13:59:32 GMT -5
Hey Good Try!  Could the professing friend Nate's talking about, be Nate himself. I think it just might. Nate, you old kidder! ;D |
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Post by spiderman on Mar 24, 2006 14:03:44 GMT -5
Teen, Could you give some insight why you believe it is ‘great reading’? What part of it or what thoughts found on the site do you equate to 'great'? Tulip, I think it's "great reading" for someone looking for more reasons to beat a hasty retreat from these cult like doctrines and thought patterns. |
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TULIP
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Post by TULIP on Mar 24, 2006 14:10:45 GMT -5
Hey Good Try! Could the professing friend Nate's talking about, be Nate himself. I think it just might. Nate, you old kidder! ;D no.. it is not nate... |
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Post by not nate on Mar 24, 2006 16:23:58 GMT -5
Hey Good Try! Could the professing friend Nate's talking about, be Nate himself. I think it just might. Nate, you old kidder! ;D Too well-researched and seamless for Nate, methinks. No offense, Nate, but your grammar and thought processes get a little rough around the edges sometimes. Or, maybe Nathan is working with a ghost writer? |
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Post by Definitely Not Nate on Mar 24, 2006 17:01:22 GMT -5
Some of the usage was definitely non-U.S. English anyway. The term "rubbishing" as a verb comes to mind. I would bet it originated from some former outpost of the British empire.
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Post by history on Mar 24, 2006 17:07:35 GMT -5
Gee Wiz,
I thought US was a former outpost of the British Empire.
At one time I think they even sent convicts there....
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Post by Definitely Not Nate on Mar 24, 2006 17:14:33 GMT -5
Okay then, excluding the U.S., a former outpost of the British empire.
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Post by history on Mar 24, 2006 17:23:31 GMT -5
ok, we now have that settled,
"rubbishing" is a good word to discribe the rubbish that a lot of people who post here carry on with.
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Post by ozelaine on Mar 24, 2006 18:44:59 GMT -5
This professing friend contacted me and wanted to post it on our website.
This "professing person" reminds me very much of "Jason". Often people reappear in a different guise but with the same beliefs and principals.
Nathan, do you agree with everything that is written on this "From the Beginning" web site?
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TULIP
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Post by TULIP on Mar 24, 2006 18:48:39 GMT -5
Nathan, do you agree with everything that is written on this "From the Beginning" web site? Better question - Nathan, have you read everything that is on the site? |
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Post by ex-teenager on Mar 24, 2006 18:52:19 GMT -5
Teen, Could you give some insight why you believe it is ‘great reading’? What part of it or what thoughts found on the site do you equate to 'great'? You want me to say something so that you can continally ask more questions. Great may have been an exageration, but it does make good reading. Am I correct? |
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