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Post by huh what on Aug 23, 2007 16:10:21 GMT -5
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 23, 2007 17:15:56 GMT -5
Could you give us a definition from the Bible of a "conscience"? And also the Biblical basis for the "searing" process? Are you sure this is a Biblical term?
What is your idea of the Holy Spirit? Is the HS the conscience you're speaking of? How does the HS work in believers?
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 23, 2007 17:19:24 GMT -5
There is a treasure you can own That's greater than a crown or throne; This treasure is a conscience clear That brings the sweetest peace and cheer. —Isenhour
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Post by simply put on Aug 23, 2007 17:22:28 GMT -5
Could you give us a definition form the Bible of a "conscience"? the research indicates that con-science is a selfdefined term. It means: the science(knowledge), within [ie: con (within) - science (knowledge)
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 23, 2007 17:26:19 GMT -5
1 Tim 4:2 "Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron"
Conscience seared because:
* some will depart from the faith,
* giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
* speaking lies in hypocrisy (listen to hypocritical liars )
Out of this condition, people will
* forbid to marry,
* command to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving.
It is said that those whose conscience is not seared:
* know the truth. ( And believe that ) For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer
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Post by what is it on Aug 23, 2007 17:30:12 GMT -5
There is a treasure you can own That's greater than a crown or throne; This treasure is a conscience clear That brings the sweetest peace and cheer. —Isenhour Hmm, you know that seems so true. Have you ever met someone that has just been released from being incarcerated, it seems that they often have this air of a clear slate, like they served their time for their crime, and have a clean record, yet, this peace so often does not last long, when they return to the same pit they just escaped for the given period of time, yet, I have witnessed a certain peace for the time until they get swept away with their vices, again.....If only they would listen to the conscience that would lead them away from the 'mirey pit of clay'.
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 23, 2007 17:37:13 GMT -5
Yes unfortunately the recidivism rates are so high because they have no where else to go, but back to the miry pit. Its a good example of how our conscience can be seared. When we see murders, rapes, robberies on a daily basis, you become numb to it. I worked as a paramedic in the city for about 5 years. My first year was traumatic on me. After that, nothing fazed me. I became insensitive to so many things. Maybe that was self preservation but nonetheless I became hardened. The more we hit the ignore button when our conscience is poked, the less and less sensitive we become. Then eventually, its "seared" and we can feel nothing at all.
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 23, 2007 17:38:24 GMT -5
Oh for the record.... I am now back to being the lovely sensitive, unseared person that I once was... ;D
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Post by good for u on Aug 23, 2007 17:49:55 GMT -5
Oh for the record.... I am now back to being the lovely sensitive, unseared person that I once was... ;D oh so sweet ....
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Aug 24, 2007 0:18:43 GMT -5
I love that little poem, Wings...thanks! M.
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Post by ranman77007 on Aug 24, 2007 0:43:50 GMT -5
a seared conscience is the result of doing things that you know to be wrong...eventually it won't even bother you to do those things. a seared conscience is exactly like a shirt that has been seared with a hot iron, or anything seared- it is ruined, cannot be fixed.
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Post by Brad Lewis on Aug 24, 2007 16:54:48 GMT -5
Its like when the workers keep preaching about finding the way when you've met the 2x2 ministry. There is no scripture to back it (did the apostles even preach that? NO) But they don't care, they know it's wrong and do it anyway. Brad
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Post by ithascome on Aug 24, 2007 22:03:50 GMT -5
another viewpoint could be...
When you can neglect any known duty without the bitterness of remorse, your conscience is seared with a hot iron.
The conscience is like a "warning system" which God has built into man. It alerts us to the fact that something is wrong and something needs to be fixed! A seared conscience is a broken warning system.
I Timothy 1:18-19 Paul tells Timothy that there are two things he must do to fight the good (spiritual) fight. He has to hold on to his absolute trust and confidence in God and maintain a good (clear) conscience. Then in the last part of verse 19 he says there are some who have rejected the urgings of their conscience and as a result have destroyed ("made shipwreck" in the KJV) their faith.
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Post by Mrs Mary Lincoln on Aug 24, 2007 23:01:15 GMT -5
A seared conscience is one that has not been properly TEMPERED!~ Does your conscience bother you? If so, the SOTS may be of help. We specialize in temperence. Temperence brings about great things when it is put into motion. The Sisters Of Temperence have a mission. That mission was started because of proper consciousness in purity, clean living, devout faith, and Godly convictions. If one abstains from unclean things, one is able to acheive the properly tempered state of consciousness which leads to a conscience that is as sharp as a needle.
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Post by shushy on Aug 25, 2007 8:28:17 GMT -5
Mary I find you deliciously hilarious....
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Post by Mary Todd Lincoln on Sept 24, 2007 23:45:29 GMT -5
Mary I find you deliciously hilarious.... My heavens! You must be grand chef of humor! And speaking of seared: Do you like your veal seared or flame-broiled? I do like the searing method when used on a good flank steak.
A seared conscience: Let's break that down a bit, shall we? Con: to convince. Science: a method of proving things to be true or not true. We put the two together and what do we get: Convincing oneself that what one is doing is or isn't a good and true and rigtht thing to do. Then and therefore, we do have many folk amongst the general citizenry who are CON-VINCED that what they are doing is scientifically proven right, true and best--: No wrong can be found in their acitons. Yes, there IS a mindful level of ENTITLEMENT, is there not? One with a seared conscience feels one can do no wrong, isn't that right?
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Post by shushy on Sept 26, 2007 10:21:19 GMT -5
I have not imbibed of a 'flank steak'.
I am still trying to decide if you are woman or man....lol I think you deserve an "Oscar"
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Post by Gene on Sept 26, 2007 11:45:06 GMT -5
It could be in the eye of the beholder. There are many who would say that a formerly devout professing woman who then cuts her hair, watches TV, and wears makeup and jewellery has a seared conscience.
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Post by shushy on Sept 26, 2007 17:37:22 GMT -5
I did that the day I left to avoid anyone asking questions...it worked!!!the bishops wife popped in and her face went white and eyes almost popped. It suited my purpose.They didnt know me and still dont because they looked at the outside. I do not agree my conscience was seared. I did it completely trusting God.
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Post by Mrs Abraham Lincoln on Sept 26, 2007 18:11:06 GMT -5
It could be in the eye of the beholder. There are many who would say that a formerly devout professing woman who then cuts her hair, watches TV, and wears makeup and jewellery has a seared conscience. Let's talk about REAL immorality, shall we? For the love of God, when is the last time people were really held ACCOUNTABLE for poor moral behaviour and deviant deeds? Lying, cheating, stealing, fornication, misdeeds, manipulating, and controlling others: Preying upon the weak, needy, young, elderly and unfortunate? Good heavens!
What this society needs more of is an attitude of RESPONSIBILITY. But noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo................................................no one really wants that, do they? No, because that would spoil all the fun, wouldn't it? Being responsible pays off, surely!. Because, in the end people who are irresponsible will be thrown into situations of FORCED ACCOUNTABLILITY, and they won't like it too well will they? Of course not. It would be an outrage to be accountable before being FORCED to be accountable; but all sacasm aside, immorality causes more outrage to a society with is already outrageous enough! My lands--: what next? Are we going to start telling deviants to go ahead and deviate simply because they don't have to answer to anybody? Sisters Of Temperence cannot allow this type of ATTITUDE to continue. We are all accountable, whether it is FORCED accountability or the accountability of a properly honed con-science.
A seared conscience will bring about forced accountability, in the eventual event of things--" have not fear--: accountability is here. "
Forced accountablity.
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Post by hmm mmm on Sept 26, 2007 19:16:25 GMT -5
A seared conscience will bring about forced accountability, in the eventual event of things- Or perhaps I am missing something here.... Do you mean that a seared con-science will eventually reveal itself to be such. hmm mm ....interesting angle 8-
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Post by Mary Lincoln on Sept 29, 2007 22:13:46 GMT -5
Tis the natural order of life happenings--: Seeds are sown and the grim reaper awaits. *What are we waiting for?* One may as well be accountable while one is given the CHOICE to be accountable. It surely makes more sense than being FORCED due to lack of responsibility. Be accountable first, before the grim reaper gets the chance to rake in the harvest. For our God is a merciful God, but the grim reaper is ruthless. If there is a little tiny voice inside your head causing one to question whether what one is doing is wrong--listen that voice. Then pray to God almighty that He will show very plainly what one is behooved to do or not to do.
Sister Of Temperance by-laws article 6 section 11 states: "Ye shall reap what ye sow. Ye may try to avoid this basic life principle, but ye cannot. Tis the temperent way."
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Post by Mary Lincoln on Sept 29, 2007 22:27:17 GMT -5
A seared conscience will bring about forced accountability, in the eventual event of things- Or perhaps I am missing something here.... Do you mean that a seared con-science will eventually reveal itself to be such. hmm mm ....interesting angle 8- Tis of a certainty that we all miss things from time to time, but it is forgivible, surely. Just as a person's true character may or may not jump out and greet one at first meeting or sighting, a seared conscience may reveal itself sooner or later. My great auntie used to say: "Believe someone when they tell you who they are the FIRST time." True colors are difficult to diguise, yet some characters are rather crafty at doing this very thing! Some characters are not as crafty as they think they are. Then, when those true colors blossom right before our very eyes, one seems to be in shock about what those colors really are. When one realises that life is a series of events set in motion by God to teach us lessons as we journey to Heaven, one can take another burden and TOSS it out of the wagon. Needless burdens hamper the journey. Hampers are for dirty laundry, are they not?
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