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Post by fwiw on Aug 22, 2007 20:07:46 GMT -5
McCordsville probably in the 1970s...Not dated
We've been hearing a lot about having the right spirit. My thoughts are along those lines too. Someone told us this summer that the struggle changes for us as we get older. When we are young, certain things we have to struggle with and fight against. As we get older, one thing we have to fight against is keeping a right spirit. I believe it is very ugly and noticeable to see a it in a child of God. God's people are different from other people in many ways but the way in which they are the most different is their spirit. Someone could dress like professing people and do the things we do yet you could tell by the spirit whether they were a child of God. If you saw someone wearing godly clothes, smoking or doing something indecent, it would disappoint you and stand out. I
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2007 20:09:47 GMT -5
Text needs tidying up.
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DO NOT clean up the text
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Post by DO NOT clean up the text on Aug 22, 2007 20:29:31 GMT -5
I disagree. I like it like it is, in it's "raw" form, because the way it's written allows some of Ron's speaking mannerisms and some of the verbage he uses to come through. This speaks to its credibility and allows those of us who have heard Ron speak before to know that it is possible that the text is genuine. I wish more people would do this kind of "verbatim" reporting. Much of what is written on this website of a worker's sermon includes the note-taker's interpretation. This is especially true for speakers like Ron who, especially as he gets older, speaks in more vague, less absolute, terms, leaving interpretation up to the listener.
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Post by Brother Schrock on Aug 22, 2007 20:48:50 GMT -5
The last time I heard Ron Thomke speak was in Detroit Special Meeting several years ago. He adamently stated that scripture was clear on the point (but then never offered any) that a person feels their need first, and then calls on God because of their need. I couldn't disagree more. I believe it is just the opposite, Paul being one of the more prominent examples.
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Post by Thats funny on Aug 22, 2007 22:12:56 GMT -5
McCordsville probably in the 1970s...Not dated We've been hearing a lot about having the right spirit. My thoughts are along those lines too. Someone told us this summer that the struggle changes for us as we get older. When we are young, certain things we have to struggle with and fight against. As we get older, one thing we have to fight against is keeping a right spirit. I believe it is very ugly and noticeable to see a it in a child of God. God's people are different from other people in many ways but the way in which they are the most different is their spirit. Someone could dress like professing people and do the things we do yet you could tell by the spirit whether they were a child of God. If you saw someone wearing godly clothes, smoking or doing something indecent, it would disappoint you and stand out. I Thats funny how he can tell whos who in his world. Cause I smoke a pack a day and I know this from God! 1. Jesus loves me 2. People like Ron Thomke will smolder in hell for eternity.
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Post by shushy on Aug 22, 2007 22:46:00 GMT -5
[quote:]Someone told us this summer that the struggle changes for us as we get older. When we are young, certain things we have to struggle with and fight against. Yes, according to Bett Midler its either what drops out or hangs out.. Seriously how can anyone judge a person by what they wear? Some of the most sincere, honest, clean living /thinking people I know are covered in tattoo's.Jesus changed them from violent cruel murderous individuals. The love/gratitude they have for Jesus Christ and the brokenness for the way they were makes them the most beautiful people.
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 23, 2007 14:38:03 GMT -5
Sounds like he's been preachin' the same tune for the last 30 odd years then. See "My day at Seneca Convention" for what he preached this year.
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Post by timber on Aug 23, 2007 14:48:42 GMT -5
Love him or hate him - at least he is consistent
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Post by opinion on Aug 23, 2007 19:59:08 GMT -5
Define a RIGHT SPIRIT....Don't question the workers...don't complain about anything in the way...assume the workers are right about everything. Fit in a fill your place. View the workers as your superiors especially head workers like Mr. Thomke, Ross, Barkley, or McCracken.
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Post by terry on Aug 23, 2007 21:25:34 GMT -5
When Ron was first in my field, I enjoyed listening to his prayers as he really seemed to "talking" to God.
Then I had dealings with him. He "brokered" (workers are far wiser than any worldly lawyer) my divorce from the women who had "realtionships" with multiple men before and during our marriage--twas expensive to say the least. Then while I was a single parent, with a "gentleman's" farm--- to defry the costs of my post settlement costs (counseling for my ex to rid her of the influence of her father)---and working as a professional which required 50 or more hours a week chose to chastigate me for not driving 50 miles on Sat afternoon to attend gospel mtgs which where being held for "me"-guess I wasn't saved yet-- Not sure when I was to do the wash, cut grass and the multitude of other chores that are expected of parents. And of course one couldn't do any work on Sunday.
Then when my ex filed for custody, he again chastized me for associating too much with "women". He said a number of "saints" had noticed that I spent time at Special mtgs and conventions standing with the women watching the children play. I had a two year old--where should I have been? Not being there would been I wasn't caring for my son- being there meant I was hitting on the married women. He specifically mentioned one couple--they had three sons bracketing my son--we where good friends (before my ex left) and they stood by me. Thier finacial status was shaky--I could help and they helped with emotions and with giving me an occasssional day alone--once a month or less. I was told that my elder (whose home I never had a meal in) and others (also who never offerred any support---not even verbal, much less real) thought that it was "unbecoming".
Even after my custody fight, (my ex had remarried and was not "fessin" he lectured my on allowing my ex inlaws more access to my son. One on the accussations against me was that I didn't have indoor plumbing. This resulted from a visit my son had with them a few days after a thunderstorm which killed our power. As we lived in the country and had a well, we had no power and hence no water, so I told him to use the barn--which for a three year old was great. Ron's response to this was "well I can see how they could misunderstand" even though he'd been at our home several times--overnight--so I would assume he'd availed himself of the facilities that where in the home. (my ex inlaws had been there many time also)
When I think of the Good Shepard who leaves the flock to find the one lost sheep, I wonder what I am. Ron has never contact me, I was a "sheep' in danger and left the "fold" and no one really cared.
So after a lot of rambling, Ron is very good with wordsmithing, but falls far short in really caring for those who have struggles--at least in my opinion.
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