savedbyblood
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Post by savedbyblood on Aug 16, 2007 1:55:39 GMT -5
I am interested in reading of personal experiences from 2by2's and exes concerning the Workers and any misunderstandings or unresolved questions or problems with them. Just the stories, please and the reason and outcome of the problem/question. Example:
What was the point of contention/problem and/or the question which led to this contention/problem?
Was the situation handled to your satisfaction?
Did you receive your answer?
Was the answer based on Scripture and Jesus' teachings?
Did you get the run-around?
Did the Workers get angry with you?
Were you made to be the cause of the misunderstanding/problem?
How do you feel about the Workers ability to handle real life situations from a Christian, Scriptural perspective?
Was an Overseer involved?
Were you made to feel foolish or belittled?
Were you ignored?
Are you a better Christian because of this episode in your life?
What were your emotions while this was taking place?
What are your emotions now?
Etc, etc...
No names of the Workers involved, please. No mention of the Workers sex unless it is important to the story. No dates, no times and no locations other than general areas (eg. Midwest US, Texas, California etc.) I'm not interested in "Worker Bashing" here, just an honest telling of your story.
My own problem concerns my marriage and the Workers lack of concern for a family divided in Scriptural misunderstanding and lies perpetuated by my wife's family. While sitting in Convention once I listened to a visiting Worker who labored in another country speak of a couple who seemed to have many more problems than I felt that we were facing in our marriage. These problems included alcoholism and physical abuse from each to the other (knock down drag out fights). This Worker told of the many times that he had dropped what he was doing in order to visit with this couple and council with them from the Scripture in order to explain Jesus teachings on marriage and divorce. All it took for him to come was a phone call, not 3 years of asking as in my case. He saved this marriage and the couple are still professing. I do not see this kind of devotion to the Sheep here in my part of the country. In fact, quite the opposite.
Your story should not be limited to marriage problems. I'm interested in all from hair to clothing to alcohol to problems at work and school that you might have gone to the workers for advise on. Whatever you might have trusted the Workers for is fair game.
I especially wish to see the times when the Workers showed the Love necessary to work toward a good outcome. This is not meant to just be a hit and pick thread.
Thanks.
Peace in Him, SBB
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Post by zevk on Aug 16, 2007 9:08:33 GMT -5
There are 2 books that include meeting going people's personal happenings. Reflections Reflected Truth
You can also read some experiences on the websites Telling the Truth The Lying Truth
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Post by freespirit on Aug 16, 2007 10:49:28 GMT -5
savedbyblood-- I am little confused about what you want the workers to do. It seems very odd to me to turn to the council of unmarried and childless people to get help on marital and/or family issues. And I'm not saying that some workers wouldn't have some great advice or help--just that family matters are often very complicated and that most of the workers do not have any training on dealing with such things. please PM me if you want to. peace, freespirit
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 16, 2007 11:12:09 GMT -5
SBB: is this worker you heard at conv. still in the work? Was he an overseer? What country?
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Post by not a worker issue on Aug 16, 2007 11:17:57 GMT -5
While sitting in Convention once I listened to a visiting Worker who labored in another country speak of a couple who seemed to have many more problems than I felt that we were facing in our marriage. These problems included alcoholism and physical abuse from each to the other (knock down drag out fights). This Worker told of the many times that he had dropped what he was doing in order to visit with this couple and council with them from the Scripture in order to explain Jesus teachings on marriage and divorce. Peace in Him, SBB This couple didn't need a worker. They needed alcohol abuse intervention and a couple of restraining orders.
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Post by Scott Ross on Aug 16, 2007 11:41:15 GMT -5
This most of an old post of mine. I changed to blue that portion related to your topic. You didn't want workers names, but I had already used Dan Hiltons name, so not much sense in deleting it now. And I wansn't 'slamming' him anyway. ......... I have two brothers who are professing, and a sister who is not. Lots of relatives in the Northwest-mainly Washington- who are and many who are not. I was born and raised in Washington and had a very wonderful childhood growing up. I felt that I was under some kind of rules that I didn't really understand, but I never really questioned it too much. Most of my years I lived in Clarkston, Wa where there were few other kids in professing families. Most of my friends were not professing, but that was okay with my folks. I think that my dad had several talks with workers concerning my activities outside of the professing group and that he stood up for my need to be involved in school activities. It helped that I appeared to be a good example to other kids I hung out with. Unlike lots of other young people from professing families out there from around the country I had lots of school involvement. I was in basketball, track, student government- was even elected student body president- and was a the drum major for our school band. I professed when I was a junior in high school, but had really no clue what that really entailed. As long as I was living at home I never rebeled against anything. As one my my school friends said at our 30th high school reunion a few years back, I was the straightest kid in school, and everyone looked to me as a good example. After leaving home I realized that although I was still giving testimony in meetings I was being a hypocrite, and that THAT was a bad thing. I had professed under Dan Hilton, and when I heard that he was going to be at Olympia Convention, I went up there to discuss things with him. I was expecting a long thoughtful discussion with him in a quiet setting in which he would let me know what I should do. He must have already made up his mind about me because when I told him I was thinking I should quit professing because I was being a hypocrite, he said he agreed with my decision and walked away. Long story short on that subject- I then knew that I was a lost soul who had no chance to go to heaven. I spent the next 22 years living my life with the knowledge that I was going to Hell, so there was no need to worry about how I acted or what I did. I was not a bad person per se, just never cared about the consequences of what I did-or didn't- do.When I finally went through a treatment center when I turned 40 I had a real spiritual awakening about what God and Jesus were really all about. It turned my life around. Kinda got off the F and W's so I'll get back to it. Because of the relatives I have who still profess, and because of the kind of family and extended family I have, I still see professing folks on occasion. I went to a few meetings at Manhatten convention with my brother Rocky in 1998 or 1999, and whenever I am in the Kelso WA area I see my relatives who are professing. I have been known to crash a potluck party when I am in town. I normally try to bring along another ex with me just to get the tongues awagging. SO..... I guess this long winded reply to your question is that I have no issues with professing people whether related to them or not. As long as they try to show respect for me and my beliefs, I'll try to show respect for them also. If they don't then I won't.... Same treatment I give to everyone... As far as the W part of your question. If there are workers who are teaching professing people to believe in things NOT taught in the Bible, and are doing so deliberately, than they will get their just reward at some point. I do not think that God will hold it against those who are professing but believe in Jesus. I would love to communicate with any workers out there who would like to communicate with me by personal email who want to try to explain how they are right and I am wrong. My email is not hidden. Your questions- What was the point of contention/problem and/or the question which led to this contention/problem?See above post Was the situation handled to your satisfaction?No, I would have liked to have had a real conversation/discussion Did you receive your answer?Sorta Was the answer based on Scripture and Jesus' teachings?No Did you get the run-around?No Did the Workers get angry with you?No, just indifferent Were you made to be the cause of the misunderstanding/problem?? How do you feel about the Workers ability to handle real life situations from a Christian, Scriptural perspective?I had always looked up to Dan as a 'godly man'. By his response I felt condemned to hell for my actions, and lived accordingly for 22 years. Was an Overseer involved?Not sure if Dan was an Overseer. Were you made to feel foolish or belittled?Foolish for sure. Were you ignored? Not sure. Are you a better Christian because of this episode in your life?Better? I didn't become 'born again' until 22 years later when I actually came to realize what Jesus' message really was/is, and accepted him into my life. What were your emotions while this was taking place?Anxiety What are your emotions now?Just draw your own conclusions based on how I post here, and how I interact with others on the TMB(Fruits that are evident to others) Hope this answers your questions. Be glad to add more if I can. Scott
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Post by freespirit on Aug 16, 2007 11:54:52 GMT -5
Hi, Scott-- Thank you for sharing this. How sad that the worker did not encourage you to seek God and trust in Jesus--but I'm glad you found Him anyway. Can I ask you a question? Why did you feel like you were a hypocrite? What were you doing/not doing that made you feel that way? Just curious. peace, freespirit
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savedbyblood
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Post by savedbyblood on Aug 16, 2007 12:37:49 GMT -5
SBB: is this worker you heard at conv. still in the work? Was he an overseer? What country? Cherie, Yes, this man is still in the Work, in Yugoslavia I believe. I do not know if he is an Overseer. I'm afraid to tell too much of my story as yet because the matter is still unresolved. This is something that I truly believe the Workers might have been able to council on from a Spiritual, Scriptural perspective i f they had not been so quick to judge and and so deaf as to not listen to the truth of our problem. I may contact you via your website soon if you wish to know more. To all on the TMB, I am not compiling a bunch of stories for a "tell all" expose on the Truth. I honestly feel that some of the Workers have been overcome with the "power" of their position and have become so ingrained in the Ministry that they have lost touch in many cases with the ones that they lead. This is the true place of a Shepherd or Minister, to lead the flock or congregation, not to drive by force an unwilling group who are there for the Love of Jesus Christ and the Fellowship of His People and have little understanding of man's rules that do not follow the written Word and are enforced by a Leadership willing to cast aside rather than intercede. Sometimes the younger Workers are caught in the middle, afraid to speak their own thoughts for fear of losing their place in the Work, yet suffering with the Saints who need the guidance of Christ in their lives. I believe that is all of our duties to stand firm in our Faith in our Lord Jesus Christ and support each other weather we be 2by2 or exes. There is one world and one Word and one Savior and He is not exclusive to one Ministry. The words of Jesus in Luke 9:49: And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. 50: And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.We are all as one if we live as if we are one, but only in Jesus Christ. Peace in Him, SBB
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Post by BondGirl on Aug 16, 2007 13:09:29 GMT -5
I was advised NOT to discuss personal experiences with workers. ...... And to even be careful about discussing things with friends.
What's personal is personal, so it would be prudent to keep it within the first person wrealm or existence.
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Post by Sylvestra on Aug 16, 2007 14:03:50 GMT -5
I was advised NOT to discuss personal experiences with workers. ...... And to even be careful about discussing things with friends. What's personal is personal, so it would be prudent to keep it within the first person wrealm or existence. I agree with whoever advised you to do this! This is a hard lesson to learn on your own! E
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Post by Scott Ross on Aug 16, 2007 15:01:07 GMT -5
To freespirit, I was 'professing' on Sunday, but not the rest of the week. I heard so many times about how hypocrites were 'going to hell', that I knew in my heart that it was worse to be hypocritical than it was to 'pretend' to be professing. By the way, I really enjoy your posts, and your (free) spirit. Scott
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Post by BondGirl on Aug 16, 2007 16:56:46 GMT -5
Gossipers: consider the source. Who gossips the most and where do they get their information? Is it reliable? People often hear what they want to hear. So they are likely to go to the source that will tell them what they wish to hear.
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eyc
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Post by eyc on Aug 16, 2007 17:53:46 GMT -5
You asked for the positive, and I feel that will be hard to find in this venue I can mention one older worker from the east coast who has really been compassionate to people, it's a real change of thought about people divorced and those that are just struggling. He has taken alot of heat from other workers on these positions. This is the only thing that really hurts me about my exit, I know personally and very closely some workers who are very, very sincere, they keep patiently talking to me. So far it's not enough to make me go back to the guilt and rules. There is no capital T in truth, and I feel alot safer where I am. Scott, you look like a biker..
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