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Post by mountain on Sept 8, 2024 12:10:26 GMT -5
I very briefly met the worker John Gunn (a fellow Scot) way back in 1982-3 shortly before he was sent out to South America. I recently learned he returned to the UK in controversial circumstances. I have been away from this board and generally all things 2x2 for quite some time. Really quite sickened by the Dean Breuer case and the can of worms that followed. This way was really shown up for what it is. Anyway, my nose is bothering me. For curiosity's sake I'd like to know more details of JG's case, if indeed there is anything to learn? Can anyone help? I'm getting to be a sad old git!
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Post by fixit on Sept 8, 2024 15:05:03 GMT -5
I very briefly met the worker John Gunn (a fellow Scot) way back in 1982-3 shortly before he was sent out to South America. I recently learned he returned to the UK in controversial circumstances. I have been away from this board and generally all things 2x2 for quite some time. Really quite sickened by the Dean Breuer case and the can of worms that followed. This way was really shown up for what it is. Anyway, my nose is bothering me. For curiosity's sake I'd like to know more details of JG's case, if indeed there is anything to learn? Can anyone help? I'm getting to be a sad old git! Hi Ram, nice to see you back. Just Google "john gunn" worker. www.tellingthetruth.info/history_pioneering/spain.phpThe following is from: wingsfortruth.info/2023/06/26/craig-fulton-failure-to-report/John Gunn, accused of allegations of abuse in Spain and Chile, was turned away from Carrick convention last week when some friends heard of the allegations from those close to a victim and approached Craig to request that he not be allowed to attend the convention. Craig agreed, being in the presence of 5 other individuals and John Gunn was turned away. No communication surrounding his absences was provided during the rest of the convention. Further sources determined that there were plans to send John Gunn to Chile for special meetings earlier in the year, however those in Chile refused to allow John Gunn back. It is therefore likely that Craig has known about this situation for an extended period of time. |
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Post by mountain on Sept 11, 2024 15:13:01 GMT -5
Many thanks fixit. Your kind sentiments are very much appreciated.
From what I can gather, it is basically allegations, though it appears to be many that JG is subject to? No criminal cases concluded or still sub-judice?
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Post by themaninthemirror on Sept 14, 2024 13:58:37 GMT -5
Many thanks fixit. Your kind sentiments are very much appreciated. From what I can gather, it is basically allegations, though it appears to be many that JG is subject to? No criminal cases concluded or still sub-judice? Despite the allegations there is no information of any alleged crime. As far as I’m aware it seems he may have “groomed” someone, which is very vague. Seems you can throw these accusations about with no consequences.. |
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Post by mountain on Sept 15, 2024 17:13:47 GMT -5
Many thanks fixit. Your kind sentiments are very much appreciated. From what I can gather, it is basically allegations, though it appears to be many that JG is subject to? No criminal cases concluded or still sub-judice? Despite the allegations there is no information of any alleged crime. As far as I’m aware it seems he may have “groomed” someone, which is very vague. Seems you can throw these accusations about with no consequences.. Whilst I agree there is a degree of vagueness in the allegations that I have explored, your term 'may have groomed someone,' seems to be an attempt to downplay matters. From what I understand there was a plurality of South American 'victims' AND of course there is the Spanish matter. The furore in Ireland is likely based on more serious activities than 'he may have groomed someone.' Groomed them for what? Did the grooming lead to fruition of its intent? From your input there seems to be a heck of a lot of smoke from a very small fire? However, often the truth of a matter is stranger than its fiction. What was behind him leaving South America and Spain? You might want to rephrase your claim...' Despite the allegations there is no information of any alleged crime.'
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Post by themaninthemirror on Sept 17, 2024 11:27:13 GMT -5
Despite the allegations there is no information of any alleged crime. As far as I’m aware it seems he may have “groomed” someone, which is very vague. Seems you can throw these accusations about with no consequences.. Whilst I agree there is a degree of vagueness in the allegations that I have explored, your term 'may have groomed someone,' seems to be an attempt to downplay matters. From what I understand there was a plurality of South American 'victims' AND of course there is the Spanish matter. The furore in Ireland is likely based on more serious activities than 'he may have groomed someone.' Groomed them for what? Did the grooming lead to fruition of its intent? From your input there seems to be a heck of a lot of smoke from a very small fire? However, often the truth of a matter is stranger than its fiction. What was behind him leaving South America and Spain? You might want to rephrase your claim...' Despite the allegations there is no information of any alleged crime.'
Allegations of grooming IS information of a possible serious crime.' Well - the expectation seems to be that the workers reveal the deeds, yet the people who apparently know - don’t seem to want to reveal the acts. Why? Why the cover up. |
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Post by themaninthemirror on Sept 17, 2024 11:34:56 GMT -5
Despite the allegations there is no information of any alleged crime. As far as I’m aware it seems he may have “groomed” someone, which is very vague. Seems you can throw these accusations about with no consequences.. Whilst I agree there is a degree of vagueness in the allegations that I have explored, your term 'may have groomed someone,' seems to be an attempt to downplay matters. From what I understand there was a plurality of South American 'victims' AND of course there is the Spanish matter. The furore in Ireland is likely based on more serious activities than 'he may have groomed someone.' Groomed them for what? Did the grooming lead to fruition of its intent? From your input there seems to be a heck of a lot of smoke from a very small fire? However, often the truth of a matter is stranger than its fiction. What was behind him leaving South America and Spain? You might want to rephrase your claim...' Despite the allegations there is no information of any alleged crime.'
Allegations of grooming IS information of a possible serious crime.' Ps. “Grooming” is a very vague term. I would suggest parents who hit their kids 50 years ago aka most parents did far more damage than someone who may have been sweet and kind to a girl and she fell in love. Foolish behaviour, but not necessarily intentional. We have no information. I hope the private investigator doesn’t think this is the standard of evidence needed for a prosecution. It’s beyond ridiculous. Ps. If you accuse someone of something, at least be clear on the accusation. Very basic! |
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Post by fixit on Sept 17, 2024 19:27:30 GMT -5
“Grooming” is a very vague term. I would suggest parents who hit their kids 50 years ago aka most parents did far more damage than someone who may have been sweet and kind to a girl and she fell in love. Foolish behaviour, but not necessarily intentional. We have no information. I hope the private investigator doesn’t think this is the standard of evidence needed for a prosecution. It’s beyond ridiculous. Ps. If you accuse someone of something, at least be clear on the accusation. Very basic! Your suggestion is very vague. What is your definition of "a girl"? Age range? What is your definition of "someone"? Age range? What is your definition of "fell in love"? What is your definition of "sweet and kind to a girl"? |
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 17, 2024 20:36:31 GMT -5
Whilst I agree there is a degree of vagueness in the allegations that I have explored, your term 'may have groomed someone,' seems to be an attempt to downplay matters. From what I understand there was a plurality of South American 'victims' AND of course there is the Spanish matter. The furore in Ireland is likely based on more serious activities than 'he may have groomed someone.' Groomed them for what? Did the grooming lead to fruition of its intent? From your input there seems to be a heck of a lot of smoke from a very small fire? However, often the truth of a matter is stranger than its fiction. What was behind him leaving South America and Spain? You might want to rephrase your claim...' Despite the allegations there is no information of any alleged crime.'
Allegations of grooming IS information of a possible serious crime.' Well - the expectation seems to be that the workers reveal the deeds, yet the people who apparently know - don’t seem to want to reveal the acts. Why? Why the cover up. Historically that was absolutely NEVER the expectation. The cover up is managed by the ministry that damns the rats to hell. Did you not know that? |
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Post by mountain on Sept 18, 2024 2:19:30 GMT -5
Whilst I agree there is a degree of vagueness in the allegations that I have explored, your term 'may have groomed someone,' seems to be an attempt to downplay matters. From what I understand there was a plurality of South American 'victims' AND of course there is the Spanish matter. The furore in Ireland is likely based on more serious activities than 'he may have groomed someone.' Groomed them for what? Did the grooming lead to fruition of its intent? From your input there seems to be a heck of a lot of smoke from a very small fire? However, often the truth of a matter is stranger than its fiction. What was behind him leaving South America and Spain? You might want to rephrase your claim...' Despite the allegations there is no information of any alleged crime.'
Allegations of grooming IS information of a possible serious crime.' Well - the expectation seems to be that the workers reveal the deeds, yet the people who apparently know - don’t seem to want to reveal the acts. Why? Why the cover up. Excuse my ignorant position, but I need this further explained to get an understanding and context of your statement. |
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Post by mountain on Sept 18, 2024 2:37:16 GMT -5
Whilst I agree there is a degree of vagueness in the allegations that I have explored, your term 'may have groomed someone,' seems to be an attempt to downplay matters. From what I understand there was a plurality of South American 'victims' AND of course there is the Spanish matter. The furore in Ireland is likely based on more serious activities than 'he may have groomed someone.' Groomed them for what? Did the grooming lead to fruition of its intent? From your input there seems to be a heck of a lot of smoke from a very small fire? However, often the truth of a matter is stranger than its fiction. What was behind him leaving South America and Spain? You might want to rephrase your claim...' Despite the allegations there is no information of any alleged crime.'
Allegations of grooming IS information of a possible serious crime.' Ps. “Grooming” is a very vague term. I would suggest parents who hit their kids 50 years ago aka most parents did far more damage than someone who may have been sweet and kind to a girl and she fell in love. Foolish behaviour, but not necessarily intentional. We have no information. I hope the private investigator doesn’t think this is the standard of evidence needed for a prosecution. It’s beyond ridiculous. Ps. If you accuse someone of something, at least be clear on the accusation. Very basic! Grooming is NOT a vague term. It is specifically defined in law as it is a serious crime. It was YOU who used the term 'grooming,' no one else. I think it is you who needs to be clearer with your terminology? You appear to be insinuating that any grooming involved was merely being sweet and kind to a girl who fell in love with the person being sweet and kind. Your portrayal of the matter implies an innocent but unfortunate incident where a young girl/woman developed a crush on a man, with no further consequences? Why did this worker get the boot from South America? Why did this worker get the boot from Spain? Why is this worker being ostracised in Ireland? As my OP indicates, I am ignorant of the facts but am curious enough to want to find out. So far you come across as attempting to downplay the matter and being evasive/protectionist? Are you John Gunn? Is there only one female involved? From what I have read it appears there are plural females involved. What ages were they when they developed their 'crushes?' Also there are at least two countries involved, implying a more extensive range of impropriety? Keep in mind, I know very little about this matter, but if I continue my interest in this case, then I want truth, facts not speculation, etc. At the moment I am giving John Gunn the benefit of the doubt, however the circumstances do suggest a far more involved matter than what you are implying. |
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Post by themaninthemirror on Sept 19, 2024 17:27:09 GMT -5
“Grooming” is a very vague term. I would suggest parents who hit their kids 50 years ago aka most parents did far more damage than someone who may have been sweet and kind to a girl and she fell in love. Foolish behaviour, but not necessarily intentional. We have no information. I hope the private investigator doesn’t think this is the standard of evidence needed for a prosecution. It’s beyond ridiculous. Ps. If you accuse someone of something, at least be clear on the accusation. Very basic! Your suggestion is very vague. What is your definition of "a girl"? Age range? What is your definition of "someone"? Age range? What is your definition of "fell in love"? What is your definition of "sweet and kind to a girl"? You tell me - age of consent across the globe ranges from 13 to 18. In America it is 16 and in 1880 it was between 10 and 12. So let’s say the girl was 16 and she fell in love - tell me the crime. I am not siding with John Gunn, but if you plaster his name online, at least tell us the crime. |
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Post by themaninthemirror on Sept 19, 2024 17:31:34 GMT -5
Ps. “Grooming” is a very vague term. I would suggest parents who hit their kids 50 years ago aka most parents did far more damage than someone who may have been sweet and kind to a girl and she fell in love. Foolish behaviour, but not necessarily intentional. We have no information. I hope the private investigator doesn’t think this is the standard of evidence needed for a prosecution. It’s beyond ridiculous. Ps. If you accuse someone of something, at least be clear on the accusation. Very basic! Grooming is NOT a vague term. It is specifically defined in law as it is a serious crime. It was YOU who used the term 'grooming,' no one else. I think it is you who needs to be clearer with your terminology? You appear to be insinuating that any grooming involved was merely being sweet and kind to a girl who fell in love with the person being sweet and kind. Your portrayal of the matter implies an innocent but unfortunate incident where a young girl/woman developed a crush on a man, with no further consequences? Why did this worker get the boot from South America? Why did this worker get the boot from Spain? Why is this worker being ostracised in Ireland? As my OP indicates, I am ignorant of the facts but am curious enough to want to find out. So far you come across as attempting to downplay the matter and being evasive/protectionist? Are you John Gunn? Is there only one female involved? From what I have read it appears there are plural females involved. What ages were they when they developed their 'crushes?' Also there are at least two countries involved, implying a more extensive range of impropriety? Keep in mind, I know very little about this matter, but if I continue my interest in this case, then I want truth, facts not speculation, etc. At the moment I am giving John Gunn the benefit of the doubt, however the circumstances do suggest a far more involved matter than what you are implying. You’ve proved my point - you don’t know anything and so far nobody seems to have come forward to give us knowledge of the alleged behaviour. You’ve said grooming is a crime, so now tell us what the grooming was. You can groom someone to become the next leader of a company - doesn’t make it a crime. Again, I’m not siding with anyone - just stating how ridiculous it is that after 18 months no information is provided. |
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Post by fixit on Sept 19, 2024 17:49:21 GMT -5
Your suggestion is very vague. What is your definition of "a girl"? Age range? What is your definition of "someone"? Age range? What is your definition of "fell in love"? What is your definition of "sweet and kind to a girl"? You tell me - age of consent across the globe ranges from 13 to 18. In America it is 16 and in 1880 it was between 10 and 12. So let’s say the girl was 16 and she fell in love - tell me the crime. I am not siding with John Gunn, but if you plaster his name online, at least tell us the crime. You seem to be saying that it's OK for a 16 year old to "fall in love" with an overseer in the work who is old enough to be her grandfather? 15 years ago John Gunn expressed concern about the young people: professing.proboards.com/thread/14628/adolescents-generation-john-gunn-2009 |
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Post by themaninthemirror on Sept 19, 2024 18:12:13 GMT -5
You tell me - age of consent across the globe ranges from 13 to 18. In America it is 16 and in 1880 it was between 10 and 12. So let’s say the girl was 16 and she fell in love - tell me the crime. I am not siding with John Gunn, but if you plaster his name online, at least tell us the crime. You seem to be saying that it's OK for a 16 year old to "fall in love" with an overseer in the work who is old enough to be her grandfather? 15 years ago John Gunn expressed concern about the young people: professing.proboards.com/thread/14628/adolescents-generation-john-gunn-2009So you are telling me that if a 16 year old falls in love with you, it’s your fault? Come on dude. You know what I am saying. Many 16 year olds fall in love with their celebrity crush or someone much older than then. That’s not a crime. |
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Post by fixit on Sept 19, 2024 18:24:00 GMT -5
So you are telling me that if a 16 year old falls in love with you, it’s your fault? Come on dude. You know what I am saying. Many 16 year olds fall in love with their celebrity crush or someone much older than then. That’s not a crime. You're right - it's not necessarily a crime. However if the older man touches her inappropriately it can be a crime in many jurisdictions where there is a power imballance. Of course it doesn't have to be a crime for the faith community to censure a worker for an inappropriate relationship. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 19, 2024 18:25:08 GMT -5
Your suggestion is very vague. What is your definition of "a girl"? Age range? What is your definition of "someone"? Age range? What is your definition of "fell in love"? What is your definition of "sweet and kind to a girl"? You tell me - age of consent across the globe ranges from 13 to 18. In America it is 16 and in 1880 it was between 10 and 12. So let’s say the girl was 16 and she fell in love - tell me the crime. I am not siding with John Gunn, but if you plaster his name online, at least tell us the crime. That's really a moot point. For a worker, all females are supposed to be off limits. |
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Post by fixit on Sept 19, 2024 19:15:19 GMT -5
You tell me - age of consent across the globe ranges from 13 to 18. In America it is 16 and in 1880 it was between 10 and 12. So let’s say the girl was 16 and she fell in love - tell me the crime. I am not siding with John Gunn, but if you plaster his name online, at least tell us the crime. That's really a moot point. For a worker, all females are supposed to be off limits. Thanks for the moral clarity Bob. Some people don't seem to understand that the 2x2 worker system relies on trust. If workers are invited into your home, you need to be able to trust them to behave appropriately with your 16 year old. When trust is gone, I really don't know how it can ever be recovered. |
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Post by Pragmatic on Sept 19, 2024 20:26:54 GMT -5
That's really a moot point. For a worker, all females are supposed to be off limits. Thanks for the moral clarity Bob. Some people don't seem to understand that the 2x2 worker system relies on trust. If workers are invited into your home, you need to be able to trust them to behave appropriately with your 16 year old. When trust is gone, I really don't know how it can ever be recovered. It certainly would require some substantial changes, and time without incidents.
The arguing about grooming reminds me of a certain worker that was on here.
We all know that the grooming being referred to is in the sexual context, of parents being groomed in order to trust the offender, and the victim being groomed to trust the offender and be compliant. The offenders are capable of playing the long game with regard to this. Steve Rohs is an example.
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Post by rjkee on Sept 19, 2024 23:28:24 GMT -5
I’ve been informed by someone who should know all the details that, allegedly:
While in Chile, he had ‘feelings’ for a 15-year old child, but it’s ‘all OK’ because the child and her family have forgiven him’.
He was ‘inappropriate’ with sister workers in Spain.
He squandered a sizeable sum of money in Spain on a new convention ground. Planning laws may have been broken.
There were other allegations but I won’t repeat them as I couldn’t get any confirmation.
Note, he had the ‘feelings’; I have not been told that the child fell in love with him.
Robert
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Post by themaninthemirror on Sept 20, 2024 13:51:47 GMT -5
I’ve been informed by someone who should know all the details that, allegedly: While in Chile, he had ‘feelings’ for a 15-year old child, but it’s ‘all OK’ because the child and her family have forgiven him’. He was ‘inappropriate’ with sister workers in Spain. He squandered a sizeable sum of money in Spain on a new convention ground. Planning laws may have been broken. There were other allegations but I won’t repeat them as I couldn’t get any confirmation. Note, he had the ‘feelings’; I have not been told that the child fell in love with him. Robert Thanks Robert Still unclear. Point 1 - cleary makes him unsafe for the work. Point 2 - not clear Point 3 - not clear, replace squander with spend and it’s legit, the next part is a may Point 4 - yet again, not clear This is all a bit vague and to be honest seems to be something that has been significantly inflated unless someone can point otherwise. |
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Post by mountain on Sept 24, 2024 11:42:52 GMT -5
Grooming is NOT a vague term. It is specifically defined in law as it is a serious crime. It was YOU who used the term 'grooming,' no one else. I think it is you who needs to be clearer with your terminology? You appear to be insinuating that any grooming involved was merely being sweet and kind to a girl who fell in love with the person being sweet and kind. Your portrayal of the matter implies an innocent but unfortunate incident where a young girl/woman developed a crush on a man, with no further consequences? Why did this worker get the boot from South America? Why did this worker get the boot from Spain? Why is this worker being ostracised in Ireland? As my OP indicates, I am ignorant of the facts but am curious enough to want to find out. So far you come across as attempting to downplay the matter and being evasive/protectionist? Are you John Gunn? Is there only one female involved? From what I have read it appears there are plural females involved. What ages were they when they developed their 'crushes?' Also there are at least two countries involved, implying a more extensive range of impropriety? Keep in mind, I know very little about this matter, but if I continue my interest in this case, then I want truth, facts not speculation, etc. At the moment I am giving John Gunn the benefit of the doubt, however the circumstances do suggest a far more involved matter than what you are implying. You’ve proved my point - you don’t know anything and so far nobody seems to have come forward to give us knowledge of the alleged behaviour. You’ve said grooming is a crime, so now tell us what the grooming was. You can groom someone to become the next leader of a company - doesn’t make it a crime.
Again, I’m not siding with anyone - just stating how ridiculous it is that after 18 months no information is provided. Once more I have to state that it was YOU who introduced the term 'grooming' into the conversation, not me or anyone else.Anyone following the latest controversies, particularly relating to CSA or even SA, will automatically link the term with sexual impropriety, particularly involving minors. Your attempt to deflect the subject of grooming onto more innocent applications is as foolish as it is ridiculous. I reside in Scotland, and John Gunn himself originates from this noble land. 'Grooming' is a specific crime under the Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 2003. Undoubtedly most modern countries will have similar crimes specified. In Scotland, grooming is a sexual offense that involves an adult developing a relationship with a child under the age of 16 to gain their trust and sexually abuse them. The maximum sentence for child grooming is 10 years in prison.
The above is what YOU had in mind, or something akin to it, when you introduced the term 'grooming' into the conversation. John Gunn did not get the size 10 from South America or Spain for 'grooming someone to become the next leader of a company,' so let's quit playing word games in an attempt to deflect from the debate. At leaST be honest. Since we have established that grooming is a crime of a sexual offences nature, can you now elaborate on what you meant when you said JG was alleged to have been grooming someone? And no, the Company hierarchal excuse will not do! Once more I will state that I am largely ignorant of the background details in this case and it is curiosity that has stimulated my input on this thread. |
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Post by mountain on Sept 24, 2024 12:18:16 GMT -5
I’ve been informed by someone who should know all the details that, allegedly: While in Chile, he had ‘feelings’ for a 15-year old child, but it’s ‘all OK’ because the child and her family have forgiven him’. He was ‘inappropriate’ with sister workers in Spain. He squandered a sizeable sum of money in Spain on a new convention ground. Planning laws may have been broken. There were other allegations but I won’t repeat them as I couldn’t get any confirmation. Note, he had the ‘feelings’; I have not been told that the child fell in love with him. Robert Thanks Robert Still unclear. Point 1 - cleary makes him unsafe for the work. Point 2 - not clear Point 3 - not clear, replace squander with spend and it’s legit, the next part is a may Point 4 - yet again, not clear This is all a bit vague and to be honest seems to be something that has been significantly inflated unless someone can point otherwise. Yes things are a bit vague, at least as far as my knowledge goes. It seems you may know more than anyone (on this thread). Again it was you who introduced the sexual offences term 'grooming' into the mix. No one else did. From what RJ and yourself have contributed we can put the following together regarding the Chile matter, though its hearsay. Point 1 - While in Chile he developed feelings for a 15 year old (girl?) Point 2 - There is a suggestion of him grooming (this girl) Point 3 - The child/girl and her family have forgiven him. Point 4 - It appears the above and possibly more resulted in him being given the boot from Chile. The above does not suggest in any way that the girl in question was being earmarked for a top level job in any Company. I think it is safe to discount that one. Minors do sometimes fall in love with much older adults, teenage crush or whatever. It happens more often than not and is part of growing up. Normally it is distant and the adult remains unaware of the emotional connection the minor has made with them. A healthy distance is what is required when such matters come to light. Less often, but by no means uncommon, an adult may fall in love with a minor (particularly one above the age of puberty), especially where there is a close connection (teacher-pupil, etc) and the minor is showing attachment to the adult. A male worker could be especially drawn into such situations, considering their celibate lifestyle. So far I don't know what actually happened in this case, but without having the benefit of further details, I would tend to point the finger at the 'System' which provided a fertile environment for such things to happen, rather than the girl or JG. However, his position in the Work which places unnaturally high demands on people in his position, should be terminated, and would probably be a blessing in disguise. The suggestion of inappropriate behaviour towards sister workers in Spain, merely highlights this. |
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Post by bendle on Oct 25, 2024 0:41:30 GMT -5
In respect of John Gunn there is a fair bit about him on the various facebook groups with Irish friends offering information. It would seem strange that the English friends kicked off about him being sent to Norfolk to partner up with Douglas Crompton for a tent mission (with a view to him then joining Douglas Crompton in his field) without there being any basis to any allegations about him wouldn't you think? He was removed from the English worker list VERY quickly, don't know if he set foot in the country or not, and he and Douglas Crompton were both removed from the Norfolk tent mission; allegations were surfacing about Douglas Crompton too at that point also.
Some folks left meetings in England giving the Norfolk tent mission debacle as their reason.
It has been suggested elsewhere that John Gunn enjoys the protection of wealthy/favoured folks in Ulster and this may account for reticence in people speaking out against him publicly but like is say, there is a good bit of stuff online now.
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Post by mountain on Oct 25, 2024 16:19:03 GMT -5
In respect of John Gunn there is a fair bit about him on the various facebook groups with Irish friends offering information. It would seem strange that the English friends kicked off about him being sent to Norfolk to partner up with Douglas Crompton for a tent mission (with a view to him then joining Douglas Crompton in his field) without there being any basis to any allegations about him wouldn't you think? He was removed from the English worker list VERY quickly, don't know if he set foot in the country or not, and he and Douglas Crompton were both removed from the Norfolk tent mission; allegations were surfacing about Douglas Crompton too at that point also. Some folks left meetings in England giving the Norfolk tent mission debacle as their reason. It has been suggested elsewhere that John Gunn enjoys the protection of wealthy/favoured folks in Ulster and this may account for reticence in people speaking out against him publicly but like is say, there is a good bit of stuff online now. So far I haven't come across any allegations with actual content to them. Is it possible to have smoke without fire? |
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Post by snow on Oct 25, 2024 17:08:15 GMT -5
Seems to me that if the Chile family are noted for having 'forgiven him', that he must have done something that needed said forgiveness? Very few 'allegations' are just 'allegations', but incidents that have happened but the survivor was afraid to come forward at the time, or did come forward but got threatened and shut down. The FBI have had to open up two different investigations at this point in time because the financial and the CSA are so huge they had to split them. Very few 'allegations' ever see the court house or justice. That doesn't mean that they didn't happen exactly the way the survivor says they did.
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Post by bendle on Nov 11, 2024 0:25:32 GMT -5
In respect of John Gunn there is a fair bit about him on the various facebook groups with Irish friends offering information. It would seem strange that the English friends kicked off about him being sent to Norfolk to partner up with Douglas Crompton for a tent mission (with a view to him then joining Douglas Crompton in his field) without there being any basis to any allegations about him wouldn't you think? He was removed from the English worker list VERY quickly, don't know if he set foot in the country or not, and he and Douglas Crompton were both removed from the Norfolk tent mission; allegations were surfacing about Douglas Crompton too at that point also. Some folks left meetings in England giving the Norfolk tent mission debacle as their reason. It has been suggested elsewhere that John Gunn enjoys the protection of wealthy/favoured folks in Ulster and this may account for reticence in people speaking out against him publicly but like is say, there is a good bit of stuff online now. So far I haven't come across any allegations with actual content to them. Is it possible to have smoke without fire? It does seem to be allegations and rumours but no actual involvement of law enforcement. The situation in Chile is described as grooming (grooming for what exactly might one ask?) and he and other workers appear to have satisfied themselves that this is now forgiven. I don't know if that is the truth of the matter obviously. In respect of other allegations, seemingly the weight of allegations has caused him to be removed, regardless of whether or not there is criminal intent or a criminal case to answer, to be in a position of moral/spiritual authority does require one to be of clean character does it not? |
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Post by themaninthemirror on Nov 11, 2024 15:24:20 GMT -5
So far I haven't come across any allegations with actual content to them. Is it possible to have smoke without fire? It does seem to be allegations and rumours but no actual involvement of law enforcement. The situation in Chile is described as grooming (grooming for what exactly might one ask?) and he and other workers appear to have satisfied themselves that this is now forgiven. I don't know if that is the truth of the matter obviously. In respect of other allegations, seemingly the weight of allegations has caused him to be removed, regardless of whether or not there is criminal intent or a criminal case to answer, to be in a position of moral/spiritual authority does require one to be of clean character does it not? Those who are throwing the allegations are also too cowardly to publicly name others with allegations. They have instead washed their hands by leaving meetings and trying to blame the workers. |
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