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Post by mountain on Jul 10, 2024 16:21:50 GMT -5
You take One body, one church, is made up of believing Christians out of context! That is your belief and millions Christians RCC and 50,000 plus Protestant denominations in the world for nearly 500 years! That is NOT according to Jesus New Test. Teachings READ Matthew 7:21-28 “NOT everyone says Lord, Lord we preach in your name, working miracles, doing all kinds of good deeds for charity shall NOT ENTER the kingdom of God, but he that does the Will of my Heavenly Father in heaven! God the Father reject them all because they say His 2x2 apostolic ministry, Jesus saves method is NOT for today! Outdated, too old fashion, it doesn’t work. No preachers can live like Jesus, no this and no that! God say to them all depart from me ye evil workers! You are NOT Mine workers. You didn’t follow mine and my son instructions. You did it your own way, own ministry, own thoughts and do whatever which method you like. There is ONLY ONE body of Christ, which God the Father had set up through Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry and New Testament fellowship by the end of the century! False apostles, bishops/church elders and false brethren began to depart from God and Christ New Test. Ministry and fellowship and started their own kind of ministry like the RCC in the 3rd century then in the 16th many RCC Monks left and started their own Protestant Reformation churches now it has grown over 50,000 plus denominations and it keeps growing more and more every day. A method does not save, Jesus saves. Not of our own works lest any man should boast. Salvation is possessing 'the Christ within.' We must be born again with the spirit of God. Without this we cannot see the Kingdom of God never mind enter into it. Salvation is possessing the the Christ spirit. A very good thing to remember. We only get this by doing God's will.
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Post by Mary on Jul 10, 2024 16:58:51 GMT -5
There is one way, one church, one body. According to the Bible the way is Jesus, the church and body is made up of believing Christians regardless of the church you attend. Any church which says they are the only true way is false because Jesus said He was the way and the church are those who believe in him. A particular church is not his church but his church is regardless of what group you attend. It's made up of people regardless of denomination you choose to attend. You take One body, one church, is made up of believing Christians out of context! That is your belief and millions Christians RCC and 50,000 plus Protestant denominations in the world for nearly 500 years! That is NOT according to Jesus New Test. Teachings READ Matthew 7:21-28 “NOT everyone says Lord, Lord we preach in your name, working miracles, doing all kinds of good deeds for charity shall NOT ENTER the kingdom of God, but he that does the Will of my Heavenly Father in heaven! God the Father reject them all because they say His 2x2 apostolic ministry, Jesus saves method is NOT for today! Outdated, too old fashion, it doesn’t work. No preachers can live like Jesus, no this and no that! God say to them all depart from me ye evil workers! You are NOT Mine workers. You didn’t follow mine and my son instructions. You did it your own way, own ministry, own thoughts and do whatever which method you like. There is ONLY ONE body of Christ, which God the Father had set up through Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry and New Testament fellowship by the end of the century! False apostles, bishops/church elders and false brethren began to depart from God and Christ New Test. Ministry and fellowship. They started their own kinds of ministry like the RCC in the 3rd century then in the 16th many RCC Monks left and started their own Protestant Reformation churches married pastors, now it has grown over 50,000 plus denominations and it keeps growing more and more in greater denominations every day. Read your Bible, Jesus saves, not men. It says one church, one body not one denomination.
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Post by nathan2 on Jul 10, 2024 20:02:34 GMT -5
You take One body, one church, is made up of believing Christians out of context! That is your belief and millions Christians RCC and 50,000 plus Protestant denominations in the world for nearly 500 years! That is NOT according to Jesus New Test. Teachings READ Matthew 7:21-28 “NOT everyone says Lord, Lord we preach in your name, working miracles, doing all kinds of good deeds for charity shall NOT ENTER the kingdom of God, but he that does the Will of my Heavenly Father in heaven! God the Father reject them all because they say His 2x2 apostolic ministry, Jesus saves method is NOT for today! Outdated, too old fashion, it doesn’t work. No preachers can live like Jesus, no this and no that! God say to them all depart from me ye evil workers! You are NOT Mine workers. You didn’t follow mine and my son instructions. You did it your own way, own ministry, own thoughts and do whatever which method you like. There is ONLY ONE body of Christ, which God the Father had set up through Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry and New Testament fellowship by the end of the century! False apostles, bishops/church elders and false brethren began to depart from God and Christ New Test. Ministry and fellowship. They started their own kinds of ministry like the RCC in the 3rd century then in the 16th many RCC Monks left and started their own Protestant Reformation churches married pastors, now it has grown over 50,000 plus denominations and it keeps growing more and more in greater denominations every day. Read your Bible, Jesus saves, not men. It says one church, one body not one denomination. How many church of Jesus Truth and Way do you read by the end of the 1st century? How many denominations do you read exist by the end of the 1st century? How come there are over 50,000 plus denominations today? Where did they come from and who started them and WHY? What happened to Jesus ONLY true Way or 1st century church? Where it is today?
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Post by help on Jul 10, 2024 21:08:46 GMT -5
"Nothing stays the same it all gets crushed. It all gets broken. It all passes with time. Only the moment you're in has any meaning."
Guillaume Musso.
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Post by Mary on Jul 10, 2024 21:19:18 GMT -5
Read your Bible, Jesus saves, not men. It says one church, one body not one denomination. How many church of Jesus Truth and Way do you read by the end of the 1st century? How many denominations do you read exist by the end of the 1st century? How come there are over 50,000 plus denominations today? Where did they come from and who started them and WHY? What happened to Jesus ONLY true Way or 1st century church? Where it is today? Look around you and you will see people from every church, race, tribe and age, that is where they are. He dwells within not in a church, but within people. You forget that you are just another denomination started by men.
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Post by nathan2 on Jul 10, 2024 21:29:43 GMT -5
How many church of Jesus Truth and Way do you read by the end of the 1st century? How many denominations do you read exist by the end of the 1st century? How come there are over 50,000 plus denominations today? Where did they come from and who started them and WHY? What happened to Jesus ONLY true Way or 1st century church? Where it is today? Look around you and you will see people from every church, race, tribe and age, that is where they are. He dwells within not in a church, but within people. You forget that you are just another denomination started by men. I attended RCC private all boys school, and I was also a Pentecostal Church member, I spoke in tongue. I have attended different churches through the years. I have read and studied many of these Protestant denominational churches doctrines and history, which started by men the last 2000 years.
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Post by fixit on Jul 10, 2024 22:24:00 GMT -5
Read your Bible, Jesus saves, not men. It says one church, one body not one denomination. How many church of Jesus Truth and Way do you read by the end of the 1st century? How many denominations do you read exist by the end of the 1st century? How come there are over 50,000 plus denominations today? Where did they come from and who started them and WHY? What happened to Jesus ONLY true Way or 1st century church? Where it is today? Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
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Post by nathan2 on Jul 10, 2024 22:52:42 GMT -5
How many church of Jesus Truth and Way do you read by the end of the 1st century? How many denominations do you read exist by the end of the 1st century? How come there are over 50,000 plus denominations today? Where did they come from and who started them and WHY? What happened to Jesus ONLY true Way or 1st century church? Where it is today? Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. If the kingdom of is within you, then how come in the Judgment, Jesus will reject many Christians preaching in His name, working miracles, and doing many good works then he said DEPART from me, ye workers of iniquity. Read Matthew 7:21-28 it seems what Jesus said in these verse method of the right way ( build on Rock/Christ’s teachings foundation or on sinking sand/men ideas teaching foundation) ministry does matter, wouldn’t you say?
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Post by fixit on Jul 10, 2024 23:40:29 GMT -5
Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. If the kingdom of is within you, then how come in the Judgment, Jesus will reject many Christians preaching in His name, working miracles, and doing many good works then he said DEPART from me, ye workers of iniquity. Read Matthew 7:21-28 it seems what Jesus said in these verse method of the right way ( build on Rock/Christ’s teachings foundation or on sinking sand/men ideas teaching foundation) ministry does matter, wouldn’t you say? Yes, Jesus will reject many Christians preaching in His name, working miracles, and doing many good works then he said DEPART from me, ye workers of iniquity.... because they're promoting a visible kingdom instead of living and teaching the kingdom within you.Have a good look at the scripture below, spoken as part of the "sermon on the mount" discourse... Jesus was talking about hearing and obeying the words he was teaching. It was nothing to do with the foundation of a religious system. Matthew 7:15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns or figs from thistles? 17 In the same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will know them by their fruits. 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; go away from me, you who behave lawlessly.’ 24 “ Everyone, then, who hears these words of mine and acts on them will be like a wise man who built his house on rock. 25 The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall because it had been founded on rock. 26 And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not act on them will be like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell—and great was its fall!” 28 Now when Jesus had finished saying these words, the crowds were astounded at his teaching, 29 for he taught them as one having authority and not as their scribes.
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Post by chuck on Jul 10, 2024 23:44:06 GMT -5
The 2x2 church has managed to destroy itself, without any help from God. In contrast the RC Church is still growing. In other words, the global Catholic story is not one of steady decline, but rather rapid growth. Through the last 100 years the Catholic Church has expanded more than any time in its 2,000 years of existence.” They were the first Christian Church, and could be the last one standing. The RCC Is NOT the First Christian Church. Peter is NOT the first Pope either! Peter would roll over his grave to see the RCC killed and tortured over millions and millions of true Christians, Muslims in the name of God. That is pure evil. Every Christian denomination including the 2x2s, stems from the RCC. If they are wrong you most definitely are further from the truth than them...... Jesus the Hebrew if he actually existed would be a heretic in your eyes today, that's how far off coarse your your worldview is from a 1st century Hebrew.
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Post by nathan2 on Jul 11, 2024 0:38:39 GMT -5
If the kingdom of is within you, then how come in the Judgment, Jesus will reject many Christians preaching in His name, working miracles, and doing many good works then he said DEPART from me, ye workers of iniquity. Read Matthew 7:21-28 it seems what Jesus said in these verse method of the right way ( build on Rock/Christ’s teachings foundation or on sinking sand/men ideas teaching foundation) ministry does matter, wouldn’t you say? Yes, Jesus will reject many Christians preaching in His name, working miracles, and doing many good works then he said DEPART from me, ye workers of iniquity.... because they're promoting a visible kingdom instead of living and teaching the kingdom within you.Have a good look at the scripture below, spoken as part of the "sermon on the mount" discourse... Jesus was talking about hearing and obeying the words he was teaching. It was nothing to do with the foundation of a religious system. Matthew 7:15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns or figs from thistles? 17 In the same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will know them by their fruits. 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; go away from me, you who behave lawlessly.’ 24 “ Everyone, then, who hears these words of mine and acts on them will be like a wise man who built his house on rock. 25 The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall because it had been founded on rock. 26 And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not act on them will be like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell—and great was its fall!” 28 Now when Jesus had finished saying these words, the crowds were astounded at his teaching, 29 for he taught them as one having authority and not as their scribes. There is a invisible kingdom (Matthew 13 the yeast/working of the Holy Spirit the inward part of our lives that people can’t see). 2) the outward visible part of the kingdom ( Matthew 13 the mustard seed become a large tree, where the birds can lodge there to find refuge) kingdom according to Jesus teachings. Both invisible and visible part of the kingdoms go hand and hand together! One can’t have one without the other.
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Post by fixit on Jul 11, 2024 0:51:00 GMT -5
Yes, Jesus will reject many Christians preaching in His name, working miracles, and doing many good works then he said DEPART from me, ye workers of iniquity.... because they're promoting a visible kingdom instead of living and teaching the kingdom within you.Have a good look at the scripture below, spoken as part of the "sermon on the mount" discourse... Jesus was talking about hearing and obeying the words he was teaching. It was nothing to do with the foundation of a religious system. Matthew 7:15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns or figs from thistles? 17 In the same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will know them by their fruits. 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; go away from me, you who behave lawlessly.’ 24 “ Everyone, then, who hears these words of mine and acts on them will be like a wise man who built his house on rock. 25 The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall because it had been founded on rock. 26 And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not act on them will be like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell—and great was its fall!” 28 Now when Jesus had finished saying these words, the crowds were astounded at his teaching, 29 for he taught them as one having authority and not as their scribes. There is a invisible kingdom (Matthew 13 the yeast/working of the Holy Spirit the inward part of our lives that people can’t see). 2) the outward visible part of the kingdom ( Matthew 13 the mustard seed become a large tree, where the birds can lodge there to find refuge) kingdom according to Jesus teachings. Both invisible and visible part of the kingdoms go hand and hand together! One can’t have one without the other. Good try, but you're stretching a parable to support your belief system.
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Post by nathan2 on Jul 11, 2024 1:09:41 GMT -5
There is a invisible kingdom (Matthew 13 the yeast/working of the Holy Spirit the inward part of our lives that people can’t see). 2) the outward visible part of the kingdom ( Matthew 13 the mustard seed become a large tree, where the birds can lodge there to find refuge) kingdom according to Jesus teachings. Both invisible and visible part of the kingdoms go hand and hand together! One can’t have one without the other. Good try, but you're stretching a parable to support your belief system. Nope, that is Jesus teachings! invisible kingdom and visible so people can see and take refuge in the fellowship! Read Acts 2:41-42. Visible and invisible kingdom of God like Ying and Yang in a circle to make it’s perfect and complete.
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Post by snow on Jul 11, 2024 14:11:06 GMT -5
Pure evil! Kind of like, workers sexually abusing young children who they purport to be leading to Jesus? The workers and the friends who committed CSA are evil and they must face the consequences that come to them. If they repent of their sins, God will forgive them but they must pay the penalty and consequences of their sin. NOT all workers are evil, who do such things to the children. Many of the workers and the friends are good, and godly people in their own community. The tares will be among us! Jesus will uproot the tares for us one by one, One way or another to keep His ministry healthy and pure. If you are still supporting the workers you are condoning what they did. You are complicit. The only way to redeem yourself if you're a worker that doesn't stand for what has been the party line for decades is to ask all the overseers to step down. They were all in this, moving predators and covering up for decades. If you don't get rid of the overseers then you support what they did. When the friends say they can't support a ministry that covered up and aided predators and they get excommunicated for that, you know the leaders/workers that are doing that are corrupt. That's what they did to the Fendlars. They have upset a bunch of elderly people by asking them to make a choice between attending the Wednesday morning bible study with the Fendlars, which they've been doing for years, or be threatened with excommunication. That is vile and disgusting. Since the ministry has now said that there is no heaven for those who do not support the ministry, they are playing God by excommunicating people. They say they will go to hell if they aren't in the group, so kicking them out of the group is the same thing as saying 'we have the power to send you to hell'. And, that's just evil especially since many of these people they are threatening are elderly and likely believe exactly that kind of rhetoric because they have had it drilled into their heads for all their lives. These people are disgusting and don't have an ounce of compassion.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 11, 2024 14:44:12 GMT -5
The workers and the friends who committed CSA are evil and they must face the consequences that come to them. If they repent of their sins, God will forgive them but they must pay the penalty and consequences of their sin. NOT all workers are evil, who do such things to the children. Many of the workers and the friends are good, and godly people in their own community. The tares will be among us! Jesus will uproot the tares for us one by one, One way or another to keep His ministry healthy and pure. If you are still supporting the workers you are condoning what they did. You are complicit. The only way to redeem yourself if you're a worker that doesn't stand for what has been the party line for decades is to ask all the overseers to step down. They were all in this, moving predators and covering up for decades. If you don't get rid of the overseers then you support what they did. When the friends say they can't support a ministry that covered up and aided predators and they get excommunicated for that, you know the leaders/workers that are doing that are corrupt. That's what they did to the Fendlars. They have upset a bunch of elderly people by asking them to make a choice between attending the Wednesday morning bible study with the Fendlars, which they've been doing for years, or be threatened with excommunication. That is vile and disgusting. Since the ministry has now said that there is no heaven for those who do not support the ministry, they are playing God by excommunicating people. They say they will go to hell if they aren't in the group, so kicking them out of the group is the same thing as saying 'we have the power to send you to hell'. And, that's just evil especially since many of these people they are threatening are elderly and likely believe exactly that kind of rhetoric because they have had it drilled into their heads for all their lives. These people are disgusting and don't have an ounce of compassion. Anyone with decent morals would have left the 2x2 cult by now. If they haven't then one can assume that they condone the behaviour and are as immoral as the perpetrators. Good people will walk the talk.
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Post by fixit on Jul 11, 2024 15:20:41 GMT -5
If you are still supporting the workers you are condoning what they did. You are complicit. The only way to redeem yourself if you're a worker that doesn't stand for what has been the party line for decades is to ask all the overseers to step down. They were all in this, moving predators and covering up for decades. If you don't get rid of the overseers then you support what they did. When the friends say they can't support a ministry that covered up and aided predators and they get excommunicated for that, you know the leaders/workers that are doing that are corrupt. That's what they did to the Fendlars. They have upset a bunch of elderly people by asking them to make a choice between attending the Wednesday morning bible study with the Fendlars, which they've been doing for years, or be threatened with excommunication. That is vile and disgusting. Since the ministry has now said that there is no heaven for those who do not support the ministry, they are playing God by excommunicating people. They say they will go to hell if they aren't in the group, so kicking them out of the group is the same thing as saying 'we have the power to send you to hell'. And, that's just evil especially since many of these people they are threatening are elderly and likely believe exactly that kind of rhetoric because they have had it drilled into their heads for all their lives. These people are disgusting and don't have an ounce of compassion. Anyone with decent morals would have left the 2x2 cult by now. If they haven't then one can assume that they condone the behaviour and are as immoral as the perpetrators. Good people will walk the talk. It's not that simple Curly. It's like saying "anyone with decent morals would have left Russia by now. If they haven't then one can assume that they condone the behaviour and are as immoral as their leaders".
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Post by nathan2 on Jul 11, 2024 15:23:34 GMT -5
There are many good workers still in the work! And they’re upholding God the Father and Jesus 2x2 ministry and fellowship.👍Dont throw the baby with the dirty bath water.
It was foretold 2000 years ago, In II Thess 2:1-14 God and Paul warned about the GREAT fallen away Prior to the time of Jesus 2nd coming. It’s the working of Satan to cause and disturbing the believers to jump ships, it says many will fall for it…
Because they don’t have the love for Truth of God/They believe the Truth of God in Jesus is a LIE. God send them a STRONG delusion that they believe in the lie as the Truth so they might be damned.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 11, 2024 15:28:48 GMT -5
Anyone with decent morals would have left the 2x2 cult by now. If they haven't then one can assume that they condone the behaviour and are as immoral as the perpetrators. Good people will walk the talk. It's not that simple Curly. It's like saying "anyone with decent morals would have left Russia by now. If they haven't then one can assume that they condone the behaviour and are as immoral as their leaders". That may be true but like all analogies, once one starts picking it apart then they start to fall to bits. Most Russians probably don't have a choice. The 2x2 fellowship does. It is not constrained by murderous thugs or an iron curtain. I suspect that the 2x2's are constrained by a curtain across the mind. Many of them dare not even peek out, let alone rip it to pieces. I agree it's not simple. It will take courage and can be done.
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Post by intelchips on Jul 11, 2024 18:24:25 GMT -5
There is a invisible kingdom (Matthew 13 the yeast/working of the Holy Spirit the inward part of our lives that people can’t see). 2) the outward visible part of the kingdom ( Matthew 13 the mustard seed become a large tree, where the birds can lodge there to find refuge) kingdom according to Jesus teachings. Both invisible and visible part of the kingdoms go hand and hand together! One can’t have one without the other. Good try, but you're stretching a parable to support your belief system. How can workers explain (preach) what they themselves fail to clearly understand? As example consider the current state of understanding Jesus (who is supposed to be their guide).When the popular cultural contexts within which stories about Jesus were first told or retold are taken into account, it becomes apparent that they are likely to be characterized by far more creativity, improvisation, idiosyncrasy, and inconsistency than has hitherto been assumed by most New Testament scholars.
Far from being careful and cautious in their handling of such traditions, the earliest Christians appear to have been largely indiscriminate or partisan in their judgments and, for the most part, show little concern about questions of historicity that so preoccupy current scholarship.
This does not render any attempt to study the historical Jesus impossible, but it does demand a high level of historical agnosticism on many matters that is rarely conceded by current authors. The period between the origins of traditions about Jesus and the composition of written texts referring to him has been poorly conceived in much New Testament scholarship.
Most scholars have tended to underestimate or pass over the potential for mythmaking in the initial years of movements that made claims, of one kind or another, about the figure of Jesus.
It is usually argued that such activity is only evident in later traditions about Jesus, and largely restricted to non-canonical sources, visible in such details as, for example, the speaking cross of the Gospel of Peter or the petulant miracles of the childhood Jesus in the Infancy Gospel of Thomas.
Where present in the canonical accounts, it is usually thought to be largely confined to either the beginning or the end of narratives about Jesus’ life—the points at which, for example, the synoptic Gospels most obviously and significantly diverge and conflict (one needs only compare the birth narratives of Luke and Matthew).
1 Invention within the main body of traditions about Jesus is often presumed to be limited to imaginative embellishments of a discernible historical tradition transmitted by his first followers—accretions that can be removed through the application of appropriate criteria (though there is, of course, much dispute as to what these criteria might be).
2 There are two common assumptions that lead most scholars to have faith in the notion of a recoverable, underlying core that contains authentic data about the historical Jesus that is not fundamentally indistinguishable and inseparable from myth: i) First, it is assumed that the central traditions about Jesus originated with, and were somehow determined by, the teachings and actions of the historical Jesus himself. ii) Second, it is assumed that core traditions were transmitted and controlled by communities of believers in Jesus that either corporately or through the ongoing authority given to eyewitnesses guarded against significant innovation. As we shall see, both these assumptions are questionable.
In fact, the license and creativity of those that relayed stories about Jesus is likely to have been so great that the association between many traditions and specific historical events that may have been their original genesis is largely unrecoverable.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 11, 2024 21:34:09 GMT -5
There is a invisible kingdom (Matthew 13 the yeast/working of the Holy Spirit the inward part of our lives that people can’t see). 2) the outward visible part of the kingdom ( Matthew 13 the mustard seed become a large tree, where the birds can lodge there to find refuge) kingdom according to Jesus teachings. Both invisible and visible part of the kingdoms go hand and hand together! One can’t have one without the other. Good try, but you're stretching a parable to support your belief system. He would call it a "revelation", no doubt.
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Post by landdownunder on Jul 11, 2024 23:26:16 GMT -5
Read your Bible, Jesus saves, not men. It says one church, one body not one denomination. How many church of Jesus Truth and Way do you read by the end of the 1st century? How many denominations do you read exist by the end of the 1st century? How come there are over 50,000 plus denominations today? Where did they come from and who started them and WHY? What happened to Jesus ONLY true Way or 1st century church? Where is it today? "What happened to Jesus ONLY true Way or 1st century church? Where is it today?" Good question, where is the church of true believers in Jesus Christ today? Where should you be looking and searching, nathan2? If you read your bible in context, with an open mind, you'll discover it's not something contained in walls of bricks and mortar. Nor, I suggest, is it any institution of men and women. That is, nothing of any earthly or human construct. The Samaritan woman at the well asked Jesus a similar question to yours: " Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.” Here's Jesus' answer to her, ponder it and you'll find the answer to your question nathan2: “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”The true believers in Jesus today seek to worship him and our Father God, in Spirit and in truth. If that be in Sunday meeting, well and good. But all of the institution behind those meetings (the 2x2 institution instigated by William Irvine) is simply human construct. Can be helpful or a hindrance to the true worship. "God is spirit" - worship him in Spirit. Read up for instance about the invisible church or church of the elect. Who belongs to it? All who are indwelt by the Holy Spirit. Which denomination? The one most helpful for them in their place and circumstances. But their spiritual life is hid with Christ in God.
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Post by nathan2 on Jul 12, 2024 0:36:15 GMT -5
How many church of Jesus Truth and Way do you read by the end of the 1st century? How many denominations do you read exist by the end of the 1st century? How come there are over 50,000 plus denominations today? Where did they come from and who started them and WHY? What happened to Jesus ONLY true Way or 1st century church? Where is it today? "What happened to Jesus ONLY true Way or 1st century church? Where is it today?" Good question, where is the church of true believers in Jesus Christ today? Where should you be looking and searching, nathan2? If you read your bible in context, with an open mind, you'll discover it's not something contained in walls of bricks and mortar. Nor, I suggest, is it any institution of men and women. That is, nothing of any earthly or human construct. The Samaritan woman at the well asked Jesus a similar question to yours: " Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.” Here's Jesus' answer to her, ponder it and you'll find the answer to your question nathan2: “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”The true believers in Jesus today seek to worship him and our Father God, in Spirit and in truth. If that be in Sunday meeting, well and good. But all of the institution behind those meetings (the 2x2 institution instigated by William Irvine) is simply human construct. Can be helpful or a hindrance to the true worship. "God is spirit" - worship him in Spirit. Read up for instance about the invisible church or church of the elect. Who belongs to it? All who are indwelt by the Holy Spirit. Which denomination? The one most helpful for them in their place and circumstances. But their spiritual life is hid with Christ in God. I found Jesus 2x2 New Testament itinerant ministry and fellowship on the island of Guam in 1978. I was seeking and looking for when I read Matthew 10 and Luke 10 how Jesus sent out his apostles going forth preaching Pairs and in Faith. I knew God’s truth and way is on the earth but where? I asked God to lead me to them. It was my first year at the University of Guam, when I met Leo Stancliff and Larry T. We’re having Bible studies under a tree on campus lawn. After 6 months of asking them all kinds of questions from the Bible, Leo answered most of them. One day, it dawn on me right before my eyes Leo Stancliff and Larry T. we’re just like Paul and Timothy! I prayed to God for confirmation and asked Him to give me proof and He did, they are servants of God that sent to me. After a year I professed I also offered for the work in 1980. I moved Seattle and I started in the work in Oregon 1986-93. After 45 years looking back, I can say the God has lead me to Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry and fellowship in the 21st century. I have found Jesus truth and way we read about in the gospels, the book of Acts! My searching is over I have found Jesus Christ Truth and Way on earth in the 21st century. Sunday morning is Christ Passover of the New Test. Covenant… where the apostles and believers come together to worship God the Father, pray and to remember and give thanks to Jesus life, death and resurrection, and the Holy Spirit for His guidance and Protection. That is how we believers truly worship God in Spirit and in Truth! That what Jesus meant he told that Samaritan woman at the well 2000 years ago when we come to celebrate Christ’s Passover sins and we have escape the Second Death/eternal separation from God’s presence.
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Post by landdownunder on Jul 12, 2024 2:03:51 GMT -5
I found Jesus 2x2 New Testament itinerant ministry and fellowship on the island of Guam in 1978. With the greatest respect, you haven't a clue. I feel sorry for you.
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Post by landdownunder on Jul 12, 2024 2:12:38 GMT -5
One day, it dawn on me right before my eyes Leo Stancliff and Larry T. we’re just like Paul and Timothy! I prayed to God for confirmation and asked Him to give me proof and He did, they are servants of God that sent to me. Those guys Leo Stancliff and Larry T. may well have been in the ministry of God. If they truly were, they would point you to Jesus, and then fade in the background. The indwelling Holy Spirit takes over from that moment you receive Jesus and trust in him. If on the other hand, you are led to a church system that involves workers being lifted up - not saying Leo & Larry were such false prophets, I don't know them. But so many of the 2x2 members do seem to worship workers and have their trust being in a "one right system" of institutionalised church.
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Post by nathan2 on Jul 12, 2024 8:23:08 GMT -5
One day, it dawn on me right before my eyes Leo Stancliff and Larry T. we’re just like Paul and Timothy! I prayed to God for confirmation and asked Him to give me proof and He did, they are servants of God that sent to me. Those guys Leo Stancliff and Larry T. may well have been in the ministry of God. If they truly were, they would point you to Jesus, and then fade in the background. The indwelling Holy Spirit takes over from that moment you receive Jesus and trust in him. If on the other hand, you are led to a church system that involves workers being lifted up - not saying Leo & Larry were such false prophets, I don't know them. But so many of the 2x2 members do seem to worship workers and have their trust being in a "one right system" of institutionalised church. Leo Stancliff did point me to follow Jesus 2x2 New Testament teachings and the important of Sunday morning of coming together to worship God, Christ and Holy Spirit in spirit and in truth like Jesus had taught his followers and apostles to follow. Many of the college students idolize Leo because he was a great teacher, he would take us students to eat McDonald’s after the Bible studies. He made us welcome to ask him any questions from the Bible or need any help. He was caring shepherd and approachable worker. Leo saw we were idolizing him, he told us like John the Baptist had told his followers when he saw Jesus coming toward him, “ Behold, the Lamb of God that take away the sins of the world! He must increase and I must decrease!” He pointed us to go to Jesus for wisdom, guidance and help. He is our true shepherd now, his part like John the Baptist, Leo is only the friend of the bridegroom NOT the bridegroom himself. Thanks, goodness for Leo’s wisdom! I see many friends fell flat on their face, when they idolize so and so workers, putting them above Jesus and when they fell from grace/sins, the friends left the fellowship because they put their faith in the workers instead on Jesus. We see is happening over and over these days put your faith and look up to Jesus, he is our Rock to stand on! The workers are only sign posts along the highway, which point us to follow Jesus and his teachings.
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Post by xna on Jul 12, 2024 10:37:18 GMT -5
It's all normal
From Chat-GPT
Q. Aas there ever been a religious denomination lasting at least 100 years that did not have a split?
A. Throughout history, it is rare to find a religious denomination that has lasted for 100 years without experiencing any form of split or schism. Most major religious traditions and denominations have encountered doctrinal disagreements, leadership conflicts, or other issues leading to splits or the formation of new sects.
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Post by nathan2 on Jul 12, 2024 15:35:40 GMT -5
You take One body, one church, is made up of believing Christians out of context! That is your belief and millions Christians RCC and 50,000 plus Protestant denominations in the world for nearly 500 years! That is NOT according to Jesus New Test. Teachings READ Matthew 7:21-28 “NOT everyone says Lord, Lord we preach in your name, working miracles, doing all kinds of good deeds for charity shall NOT ENTER the kingdom of God, but he that does the Will of my Heavenly Father in heaven! God the Father reject them all because they say His 2x2 apostolic ministry, Jesus saves method is NOT for today! Outdated, too old fashion, it doesn’t work. No preachers can live like Jesus, no this and no that! God say to them all depart from me ye evil workers! You are NOT Mine workers. You didn’t follow mine and my son instructions. You did it your own way, own ministry, own thoughts and do whatever which method you like. There is ONLY ONE body of Christ, which God the Father had set up through Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry and New Testament fellowship by the end of the century! False apostles, bishops/church elders and false brethren began to depart from God and Christ New Test. Ministry and fellowship and started their own kind of ministry like the RCC in the 3rd century then in the 16th many RCC Monks left and started their own Protestant Reformation churches now it has grown over 50,000 plus denominations and it keeps growing more and more every day. A method does not save, Jesus saves. Not of our own works lest any man should boast. Jesus saves through his method of preaching as Itinerant preacher of the gospel. Jesus said to the apostles, “As my Heavenly Father hades sent me so, I am sending you in the same manner.” Read Matthew 10; Luke 10. Jesus said, “Foxes have hoes, the birds of the air have their own nests but the Son of man has nowhere to lay his head!” Jesus went preaching in faith and people who listen to his message would welcome him and his apostles into their homes to feed them foods and places to sleep over nights. Read Matthew 6 that is how God the Father takes care the birds 🦅 and the flowers in the fields so, God has ways and means to take care Jesus and His true servants, who went forth in Faith. Preaching the gospel. If the servants follow God’s apple 🍎 pie receipt then the products will come out excellent as He had in mind. However, if people change God’s method and the ingredients of the pie the result will be a flop! and the taste will not be the same.
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Post by chuck on Jul 12, 2024 19:01:18 GMT -5
Anyone with decent morals would have left the 2x2 cult by now. If they haven't then one can assume that they condone the behaviour and are as immoral as the perpetrators. Good people will walk the talk. It's not that simple Curly. It's like saying "anyone with decent morals would have left Russia by now. If they haven't then one can assume that they condone the behaviour and are as immoral as their leaders". I actually think it is that simple Fixit, would you stay in or actively associate with any other organisation that you knew harboured the same culture?. I understand the difficulties of the social aspect of leaving I really do, but nothing is going to change until the underlying superiority mindset is thrown out the window, and they can't do that as they have structured the whole thing on and around the premise that they alone hold the keys to heaven, the one true way.....
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