magpies39plus
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WHY? Does quoting relevant scripture send the 2x2;s into sometimes a nasty response??
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Post by magpies39plus on Jun 23, 2024 20:38:05 GMT -5
You look through page after page of these threads, and it is near all throwing bricks,the ""I can throw bigger bricks than you attitude"". WHEN PROVOKED?? 1 Samual 18 v 11 = ""Don't retaliate hold your peace"",is clearly written? Do you ask God's Holy Spirit to guide you in your thread titles and replies? With God 99% obedience is 100% disobedience ? (Quotes) Remember who you are"Don't"compromise for anyone,for any reason? You are a child of Almighty God.. Live that Truth.. Matthew 22 v 39 Love your neighbor as yourself.. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing? Life is wasted if we do not grasp the glory of the Cross,treasure it for the treasure that it is,cleave to it as the highest price of every pleasure and the deepest comfort in every pain. What was once foolishness to us - a crucified God - must become our wisdom and our power and our only boast in this world... (My quote) When you throw back a brick,does it make you or the victim feel edified,redeemed, glorified in Christ,under the power of prayer,loved/accepted,etc? How would Jesus want you to have replied,with love,acceptance,understanding,outreaching,embracing/regardless,and words of wisdom/encouraging,etc. I know I am guilty of the occassional brick,but mostly regards the unGodly antinomian lives amongst a Ministry holding Bro/Sister preachers unnatural sexual preferences and most of all child molesting by mentally ill paedophiles current and century of ignoring and coverups..
++ A Central tenant in Christian ethics is promoting love and respect for others as a reflection of love...
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Post by fixit on Jun 23, 2024 21:46:09 GMT -5
This is a discussion board that is not specifically intended to discuss religious matters, so if you want to be edified and glorify God you're probably on the wrong board.
Much of the discussion here is secular. The sexual abuse of children is one example. God-talk and Jesus-talk didn't stop perpetrators from abusing children.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jun 23, 2024 21:58:42 GMT -5
One of the reasons why the church is becoming shipwrecked is that it built a culture which supported within it, financial abuse, sexual abuse, religious abuse etc.
TMB is a forum where these things, in relation to the 2X2 church can be discussed. It was not it's prime purpose when inaugurated, but due to recent event has become a natural focus. Over 75,000 have left the church for various reasons in the last few years. That is a good enough reason. The current media coverage, and FBI investigation are another. The fact that there are over 900 validated allegations of child sexual abuse and sexual abuse is another. These topics are bound to attract conversation that contains emotion.
There are other forums, particularly within web sites and on social media for purely spiritual and edification matters.
Fixit is right in his statements
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Post by fixit on Jun 23, 2024 22:15:15 GMT -5
It could be said that the desire for "purely spiritual and edification matters" is a big part of the problem.
People think it's virtuous to say "I don't want to know about anything that is not edifying".
It creates an ideal culture for perpetrators to have their merry way.
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Post by Dan on Jun 24, 2024 16:01:22 GMT -5
It could be said that the desire for "purely spiritual and edification matters" is a big part of the problem. People think it's virtuous to say "I don't want to know about anything that is not edifying". It creates an ideal culture for perpetrators to have their merry way.
" I don't want to know about anything that is not edifying" That's kinda like saying , "I don't want to know about a toothache" ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) . Some bad things are just impossible to ignore. Its tough to enjoy the sunny side of the street when children are being molested on the other side of the street.. Especially when some of the same edifying people you rely on for spiritual guidance are responsible for what's happening on the dark side of the street.
Jesus focused on the good, but he didn't close his eyes to the bad. Sometimes overcoming evil with good requires a good whip
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Post by Pragmatic on Jun 24, 2024 16:31:22 GMT -5
Yup. A question could be asked like, "How could someone molest a child?" An equally valid question could be, "How come so many hundred of people let it happen, and said and did nothing about it?"
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Post by fixit on Jun 24, 2024 18:19:30 GMT -5
It could be said that the desire for "purely spiritual and edification matters" is a big part of the problem. People think it's virtuous to say "I don't want to know about anything that is not edifying". It creates an ideal culture for perpetrators to have their merry way. " I don't want to know about anything that is not edifying" That's kinda like saying , "I don't want to know about a toothache" ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) . Some bad things are just impossible to ignore. Its tough to enjoy the sunny side of the street when children are being molested on the other side of the street.. Especially when some of the same edifying people you rely on for spiritual guidance are responsible for what's happening on the dark side of the street. Jesus focused on the good, but he didn't close his eyes to the bad. Sometimes overcoming evil with good requires a good whip The priest and the Levite were too edified and pious to defile themselves with the half dead victim on the other side of the street.
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Post by snow on Jun 25, 2024 12:12:42 GMT -5
It could be said that the desire for "purely spiritual and edification matters" is a big part of the problem. People think it's virtuous to say "I don't want to know about anything that is not edifying". It creates an ideal culture for perpetrators to have their merry way. " I don't want to know about anything that is not edifying" That's kinda like saying , "I don't want to know about a toothache" ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) . Some bad things are just impossible to ignore. Its tough to enjoy the sunny side of the street when children are being molested on the other side of the street.. Especially when some of the same edifying people you rely on for spiritual guidance are responsible for what's happening on the dark side of the street. Jesus focused on the good, but he didn't close his eyes to the bad. Sometimes overcoming evil with good requires a good whip Exactly Dan and a worker at a convention in Montana recently said that God has always purged his people of useless branches etc. and that's what he's doing right now. So basically anyone that has left because they are upset that the workers aren't doing anything to keep the children safe, or helping with therapy etc for those already abused, well, they are just useless branches that god is purging from the group. Since they also believe that anyone leaving is going to hell I guess they also think God believes these people deserve hell too. Seems a bit extreme punishment for just questioning the actions of the workers that are condoning the abuse of children.
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Post by Dan on Jun 25, 2024 16:27:48 GMT -5
" I don't want to know about anything that is not edifying" That's kinda like saying , "I don't want to know about a toothache" ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) . Some bad things are just impossible to ignore. Its tough to enjoy the sunny side of the street when children are being molested on the other side of the street.. Especially when some of the same edifying people you rely on for spiritual guidance are responsible for what's happening on the dark side of the street. Jesus focused on the good, but he didn't close his eyes to the bad. Sometimes overcoming evil with good requires a good whip Exactly Dan and a worker at a convention in Montana recently said that God has always purged his people of useless branches etc. and that's what he's doing right now. So basically anyone that has left because they are upset that the workers aren't doing anything to keep the children safe, or helping with therapy etc for those already abused, well, they are just useless branches that god is purging from the group. Since they also believe that anyone leaving is going to hell I guess they also think God believes these people deserve hell too. Seems a bit extreme punishment for just questioning the actions of the workers that are condoning the abuse of children.
That was always a point of contention for me, I never believed that going to meetings was the only path to salvation. Self-righteously judging someone to hell for not being a part of your group says more about them than it does the people who left. Its really just a method of control, hypnotizing people into believing a church can save you isn't biblical. Someone else reserved that authority for himself. "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" (John 14:6).
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magpies39plus
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Post by magpies39plus on Jul 7, 2024 20:47:23 GMT -5
Fixit you kidding? Don't Christians care about others in their either Christian or secular subjects? Have you ever said to anyone you disagree with "I will pray about this"? , Even secular subjects our reactions/answers should be acceptable ((to made in a Christian manner)) God,shouldn't it?? Regards Magpie.
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Post by magpies39plus on Jul 7, 2024 20:53:38 GMT -5
P.S.. You Tube are advertising heavily the new documentary to be shown on another channel on the ""2x2 Church/sect.." When I find out who the carrier is I will put on here?..
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Post by tulip2 on Jul 9, 2024 17:41:37 GMT -5
Fixit you kidding? Don't Christians care about others in their either Christian or secular subjects? Have you ever said to anyone you disagree with "I will pray about this"? , Even secular subjects our reactions/answers should be acceptable ((to made in a Christian manner)) God,shouldn't it?? Regards Magpie. Thanks magpies39plus for the reminder, for the mature Christian there should exist no separation of our daily lives into secular and spiritual components. "I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me."
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 10, 2024 1:19:50 GMT -5
Fixit you kidding? Don't Christians care about others in their either Christian or secular subjects? Have you ever said to anyone you disagree with "I will pray about this"? , Even secular subjects our reactions/answers should be acceptable ((to made in a Christian manner)) God,shouldn't it?? Regards Magpie. Thanks magpies39plus for the reminder, for the mature Christian there should exist no separation of our daily lives into secular and spiritual components. "I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." You do realize that this means obeying secular laws?
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