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Post by Pragmatic on Jun 3, 2024 22:21:22 GMT -5
I have a feeling that no matter what they did or said now, people on here would not be happy. There could be some truth to this statement. But let's be honest - this website is pathetic is its anonimity with no pretense of any form of transparency. Nobody is going to come across this website if actually searching for such a site pertaining to the 2x2s. You need to be in the know, and have special insider knowledge. Not even MEMBERS of this group would be able to readily identify it. Personally I am extremely disappointed in it. It continues to obfuscate EVERYTHING about the group, and contains no more information than could be obtained from any general listing in the phone book pertaining to reporting of abuse. The only concession is a vague "feedback" email address - the faces and names and identities behind this email remain cloaked in secrecy. What if you are actually reporting to one of your abusers unknowingly? My own church's abuse website contains addresses, phone numbers and names of those to whom you will be reporting. It can be easily found online by members of the denomination. Let's look at the facts: This website contains absolutely NO identifying information except for a few first names and surnames (thank you for at least including names, but they are still not identified by church, church rank or contact information). Unless a person in the group knows exactly who the overseers are, how are these people readily identifiable? Which states and countries are each responsible for? Where is the publicly available company listing that shows who is current elder/head elder/worker/overseer within the group? The website completely avoids any form of public identity / association / acknowledgement that this is an established worldwide exclusive sect / denomination in its own right. Even the name suggests this group is limited to Aus & NZ. Who is "our fellowship"? Look at the Advisory Group page. This website is effectively speaking on behalf of "Australia and New Zealand". Words fail me for how ridiculous this truly is. "A body of men holding themselves accountable to nobody ought not to be trusted by anybody" - Thomas Paine If they won't identify themselves with a name, at least be halfway honest and refer to it as "the fellowship of two-by-two ministers without a home, and meetings in the home, which officially takes no name". Exactly Elizabeth - it's like an Intranet in drag!
At least the North American equivalent has name behind it, and does include a reference to AFTT. The Aussie/NZ one doesn't. Is that because they see TBTANZ and AFTT as "The Enemy"?
I have spoken to two victims, and one parent of a victim, and they are even unhappier than before.
A question to be asked: If there was no Bruergate, and the subsequent flood of publicity and allegations. Would even this have been done? Or would we be still back in 2021? Granted Cynthia, Lauren and Sheri were beginning the process, but I see panic!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 3, 2024 23:56:43 GMT -5
There could be some truth to this statement. But let's be honest - this website is pathetic is its anonimity with no pretense of any form of transparency. Nobody is going to come across this website if actually searching for such a site pertaining to the 2x2s. You need to be in the know, and have special insider knowledge. Not even MEMBERS of this group would be able to readily identify it. Personally I am extremely disappointed in it. It continues to obfuscate EVERYTHING about the group, and contains no more information than could be obtained from any general listing in the phone book pertaining to reporting of abuse. The only concession is a vague "feedback" email address - the faces and names and identities behind this email remain cloaked in secrecy. What if you are actually reporting to one of your abusers unknowingly? My own church's abuse website contains addresses, phone numbers and names of those to whom you will be reporting. It can be easily found online by members of the denomination. Let's look at the facts: This website contains absolutely NO identifying information except for a few first names and surnames (thank you for at least including names, but they are still not identified by church, church rank or contact information). Unless a person in the group knows exactly who the overseers are, how are these people readily identifiable? Which states and countries are each responsible for? Where is the publicly available company listing that shows who is current elder/head elder/worker/overseer within the group? The website completely avoids any form of public identity / association / acknowledgement that this is an established worldwide exclusive sect / denomination in its own right. Even the name suggests this group is limited to Aus & NZ. Who is "our fellowship"? Look at the Advisory Group page. This website is effectively speaking on behalf of "Australia and New Zealand". Words fail me for how ridiculous this truly is. "A body of men holding themselves accountable to nobody ought not to be trusted by anybody" - Thomas Paine If they won't identify themselves with a name, at least be halfway honest and refer to it as "the fellowship of two-by-two ministers without a home, and meetings in the home, which officially takes no name". Exactly Elizabeth - it's like an Intranet in drag!
At least the North American equivalent has name behind it, and does include a reference to AFTT. The Aussie/NZ one doesn't. Is that because they see TBTANZ and AFTT as "The Enemy"?
I have spoken to two victims, and one parent of a victim, and they are even unhappier than before.
A question to be asked: If there was no Bruergate, and the subsequent flood of publicity and allegations. Would even this have been done? Or would we be still back in 2021? Granted Cynthia, Lauren and Sheri were beginning the process, but I see panic!
Without Bruergate it would be business as usual. It was not until I joined this site that some of things that my parents said made some sense. One example of this was a conversation they had between themselves about Willie Hughes, Willie Phynn, Walter Frank and how they shipped Tom Monteith out of the country one step ahead of the police who were hunting him. So the evil and sordid behaviour is nothing new. Then I learnt about William Irvines visit to NZ and how after he left that the sister workers were stood down for a year in case one of them was pregnant. I already knew of a worker who got a young woman pregnant in a cow shed. I already knew of a worker who married a girl half his age. I already knew of a worker stood down because "he liked the ladies" In the bad old days these were brushed under the carpet. Not now. If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth.
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