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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 3, 2024 23:48:17 GMT -5
Maybe the day of judgement has arrived for the 2x2's. Yep, God and Christ are cleaning their earthly kingdom before they can enter the heavenly kingdom in white robes. The exes and the police are doing it while your god has done sfa as usual.
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 3, 2024 23:54:28 GMT -5
Maybe the day of judgement has arrived for the 2x2's. Yep, God and Christ are cleaning their earthly kingdom before they can enter the heavenly kingdom in white robes. This attitude is exactly why 2x2 are self destructing from the inside. "We are doing nothing wrong, it's God's work"
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Post by nathan2 on Apr 4, 2024 0:36:20 GMT -5
Yep, God and Christ are cleaning their earthly kingdom before they can enter the heavenly kingdom in white robes. The exes and the police are doing it while your god has done sfa as usual. In the Old Test. God used the Children of Israel heathen enemies to DRIVE them back to serve the Living God. God is using his enemies to clean His house for Him.👏 Thanks, guys and gals. 👍 There were those of us from within the 2x2s tried to clean the mess for over 25 years but we were the minority 😥 And couldn’t do it so, God sent in the Calvary!🙌 FBI.
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Post by Pragmatic on Apr 4, 2024 1:23:43 GMT -5
Yep, God and Christ are cleaning their earthly kingdom before they can enter the heavenly kingdom in white robes. This attitude is exactly why 2x2 are self destructing from the inside. "We are doing nothing wrong, it's God's work" And, in my opinion, those that hold to that type of belief are either fruit-loops, or brain-washed.
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Post by bendle on Apr 4, 2024 1:56:39 GMT -5
Going back to the topic-
The meetings church in England has very quickly gone from being g silent as a grave to being awash with rumour, speculation, workers being sent home, cancelled missions, cancelled conventions, friends attending home meetings only, friends leaving completely etc.
It is a complete mess laid at the feet of BC and DD.
Open and honest communication and open and honest action could have prevented all of this but the seeming obsession with 'the perfect kingdom' is what has lead to this state of affairs. In respect to cancelled missions and conventions, the reasons given vary from "we forgot to book the hall" "the hall needs emergency building work" " the hall turned out to be unsuitable" etc etc. Very much doubt that the reason given to any friends is the real true reason. I feel very sorry for any workers put in the position of having to lie to their flock in order to protect the reputation of the meetings. The reason given for staffs/stocks farm cancellation is unclear as such, much speculation about that one which really ought to be addressed in an open and honest manner. The fact that workers are attempting to book an alternative venue in Staffordshire to hold a long weekend convention only adds to the mystery of why exactly it has been cancelled.
The tent mission in Norfolk last year was badly handled, JG was down to come over from Ireland and be at that and then go to be junior companion to DC in his field. Well that never happened. JG was sent out of the work instead, currently supposedly being sheltered by prominent friends in Ulster, DC went to Europe out of the way and DD had to step in to calm it all down. The press got hold of it and did an article which then had a comment section- sadly now deleted. DC then is sent 'home' due to allegations made public as it was clear that his position was untenable, a senior worker now deceased (DF) named as a serious predator for many years, another ex worker arrested and charged for historical CSA offences but being visited regularly by workers from the county and surrounding fields; and all known about many years ago by the overseer and at least one European overseer or perhaps two or even three. Is it any wonder it's all such a mess??
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Post by Pragmatic on Apr 4, 2024 2:00:25 GMT -5
I wonder how much longer this can be sustained before the financial base gets eroded to the extent that it is not large enough to sustain the status quo.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 4, 2024 2:26:54 GMT -5
This topic reminds me of that time when some wag painted on the side of a hall in Ireland? Tommy? leave my wife alone. Obviously they didn't take the hint.
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Post by bendle on Apr 4, 2024 3:47:34 GMT -5
This topic reminds me of that time when some wag painted on the side of a hall in Ireland? Tommy? leave my wife alone. Obviously they didn't take the hint. Herbie, leave my wife alone. Referring to HJ.
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Post by nathan2 on Apr 4, 2024 8:31:57 GMT -5
Yep, God and Christ are cleaning their earthly kingdom before they can enter the heavenly kingdom in white robes. The exes and the police are doing it while your god has done sfa as usual. Who do you think send the EXES and the FBI? When many of us within the 2x2s, some workers and the friends tried to warn, alert and educate the 2x2 and the leadership about CSA in the year 2000, but the overseers ignored our warnings. Now, they are paying the price for their mistakes/crimes against the children big time. God used the exes to expose CSA within the ministry and fellowship for Him and the FBI involvement to clean God’s house . The exes have their own agenda to destroy the 2x2s, they are helping and fulfilling the great Fallen away Pior to the time of Jesus 2nd coming Read II Thess 2:1-14 The culprit behind the scene is Satan deceiving people to do his dirty works, because they have no love 💕 for the Truth of God, He send them a strong delusion and the result for them is not Good. and the parable of the 5 wise virgins and 5 foolish/exes virgins when the bridegroom returns Matthew 25. Only 50% of workers and 2x2s are going to make it. Jesus said he that ENDURE unto the end shall be SAVED! Matthew 24:14.
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Post by Annan on Apr 4, 2024 12:01:35 GMT -5
The exes and the police are doing it while your god has done sfa as usual. Who do you think send the EXES and the FBI? When many of us within the 2x2s, some workers and the friends tried to warn, alert and educate the 2x2 and the leadership about CSA in the year 2000, but the overseers ignored our warnings. Now, they are paying the price for their mistakes/crimes against the children big time. God used the exes to expose CSA within the ministry and fellowship for Him and the FBI involvement to clean God’s house . The exes have their own agenda to destroy the 2x2s, they are helping and fulfilling the great Fallen away Pior to the time of Jesus 2nd coming Read II Thess 2:1-14 The culprit behind the scene is Satan deceiving people to do his dirty works, because they have no love 💕 for the Truth of God, He send them a strong delusion and the result for them is not Good. and the parable of the 5 wise virgins and 5 foolish/exes virgins when the bridegroom returns Matthew 25. Only 50% of workers and 2x2s are going to make it. Jesus said he that ENDURE unto the end shall be SAVED! Matthew 24:14. If this post doesn't get you banned, I don't know what will. Freaking unreal!!!
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Post by nathan2 on Apr 4, 2024 12:21:18 GMT -5
Who do you think send the EXES and the FBI? When many of us within the 2x2s, some workers and the friends tried to warn, alert and educate the 2x2 and the leadership about CSA in the year 2000, but the overseers ignored our warnings. Now, they are paying the price for their mistakes/crimes against the children big time. God used the exes to expose CSA within the ministry and fellowship for Him and the FBI involvement to clean God’s house . The exes have their own agenda to destroy the 2x2s, they are helping and fulfilling the great Fallen away Pior to the time of Jesus 2nd coming Read II Thess 2:1-14 The culprit behind the scene is Satan deceiving people to do his dirty works, because they have no love 💕 for the Truth of God, He send them a strong delusion and the result for them is not Good. and the parable of the 5 wise virgins and 5 foolish/exes virgins when the bridegroom returns Matthew 25. Only 50% of workers and 2x2s are going to make it. Jesus said he that ENDURE unto the end shall be SAVED! Matthew 24:14. If this post doesn't get you banned, I don't know what will. Freaking unreal!!! Hey, is in the Bible and those are the words of Jesus and apostle. Do you think Jesus words should be banned for teaching the parable of the 10 virgins? And the apostle Paul’s teachings because you atheists don’t like it.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 4, 2024 12:57:48 GMT -5
This topic reminds me of that time when some wag painted on the side of a hall in Ireland? Tommy? leave my wife alone. Obviously they didn't take the hint. Herbie, leave my wife alone. Referring to HJ. Thank you.
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Post by snow on Apr 4, 2024 13:16:18 GMT -5
I wonder how much longer this can be sustained before the financial base gets eroded to the extent that it is not large enough to sustain the status quo. In the end it very well could be the financial dealings that bring them down. To much tax evasion etc. and with the FBI investigating all areas of the 2x2's now they will definitely find questionable dealings. Trouble is it's probably the elders that will pay because they handle most of it. Unless they turn over and testify against the overseers saying they are really the ones that determine what happens, they will be held accountable. The workers have set it up so that the friends get the punishment not them and that's really unfortunate.
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Post by snow on Apr 4, 2024 13:19:16 GMT -5
The exes and the police are doing it while your god has done sfa as usual. Who do you think send the EXES and the FBI? When many of us within the 2x2s, some workers and the friends tried to warn, alert and educate the 2x2 and the leadership about CSA in the year 2000, but the overseers ignored our warnings. Now, they are paying the price for their mistakes/crimes against the children big time. God used the exes to expose CSA within the ministry and fellowship for Him and the FBI involvement to clean God’s house . The exes have their own agenda to destroy the 2x2s, they are helping and fulfilling the great Fallen away Pior to the time of Jesus 2nd coming Read II Thess 2:1-14 The culprit behind the scene is Satan deceiving people to do his dirty works, because they have no love 💕 for the Truth of God, He send them a strong delusion and the result for them is not Good. and the parable of the 5 wise virgins and 5 foolish/exes virgins when the bridegroom returns Matthew 25. Only 50% of workers and 2x2s are going to make it. Jesus said he that ENDURE unto the end shall be SAVED! Matthew 24:14. Is this the same god that did nothing for decades? Seems unlikely he has any involvement at the moment. He hasn't cared a bit about all the children over the decades that have been traumatized so why all of a sudden to you think he would care? Nothing is through God, it's always people that do things to clean things up.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 4, 2024 13:19:25 GMT -5
I wonder how much longer this can be sustained before the financial base gets eroded to the extent that it is not large enough to sustain the status quo. In the end it very well could be the financial dealings that bring them down. To much tax evasion etc. and with the FBI investigating all areas of the 2x2's now they will definitely find questionable dealings. Trouble is it's probably the elders that will pay because they handle most of it. Unless they turn over and testify against the overseers saying they are really the ones that determine what happens, they will be held accountable. The workers have set it up so that the friends get the punishment not them and that's really unfortunate. In my view the elders that hold the purse strings did so willingly and are complicit.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 4, 2024 13:22:11 GMT -5
Who do you think send the EXES and the FBI? When many of us within the 2x2s, some workers and the friends tried to warn, alert and educate the 2x2 and the leadership about CSA in the year 2000, but the overseers ignored our warnings. Now, they are paying the price for their mistakes/crimes against the children big time. God used the exes to expose CSA within the ministry and fellowship for Him and the FBI involvement to clean God’s house . The exes have their own agenda to destroy the 2x2s, they are helping and fulfilling the great Fallen away Pior to the time of Jesus 2nd coming Read II Thess 2:1-14 The culprit behind the scene is Satan deceiving people to do his dirty works, because they have no love 💕 for the Truth of God, He send them a strong delusion and the result for them is not Good. and the parable of the 5 wise virgins and 5 foolish/exes virgins when the bridegroom returns Matthew 25. Only 50% of workers and 2x2s are going to make it. Jesus said he that ENDURE unto the end shall be SAVED! Matthew 24:14. Is this the same god that did nothing for decades? Seems unlikely he has any involvement at the moment. He hasn't cared a bit about all the children over the decades that have been traumatized so why all of a sudden to you think he would care? Nothing is through God, it's always people that do things to clean things up. Education seems to fix this bizarre belief in the power of supernatural beings. Prison sentences could be part of the education process.
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Post by snow on Apr 4, 2024 13:23:22 GMT -5
In the end it very well could be the financial dealings that bring them down. To much tax evasion etc. and with the FBI investigating all areas of the 2x2's now they will definitely find questionable dealings. Trouble is it's probably the elders that will pay because they handle most of it. Unless they turn over and testify against the overseers saying they are really the ones that determine what happens, they will be held accountable. The workers have set it up so that the friends get the punishment not them and that's really unfortunate. In my view the elders that hold the purse strings did so willingly and are complicit. They are, that's true. But when you're brainwashed by the cult to do whatever the workers want, I do have some sympathy for them. I imagine they will have to go down with the overseers, but I sure hope that the overseers pay for it also. That's what worries me is that they will get off.
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Post by nathan2 on Apr 4, 2024 14:31:11 GMT -5
Who do you think send the EXES and the FBI? When many of us within the 2x2s, some workers and the friends tried to warn, alert and educate the 2x2 and the leadership about CSA in the year 2000, but the overseers ignored our warnings. Now, they are paying the price for their mistakes/crimes against the children big time. God used the exes to expose CSA within the ministry and fellowship for Him and the FBI involvement to clean God’s house . The exes have their own agenda to destroy the 2x2s, they are helping and fulfilling the great Fallen away Pior to the time of Jesus 2nd coming Read II Thess 2:1-14 The culprit behind the scene is Satan deceiving people to do his dirty works, because they have no love 💕 for the Truth of God, He send them a strong delusion and the result for them is not Good. and the parable of the 5 wise virgins and 5 foolish/exes virgins when the bridegroom returns Matthew 25. Only 50% of workers and 2x2s are going to make it. Jesus said he that ENDURE unto the end shall be SAVED! Matthew 24:14. Is this the same god that did nothing for decades? Seems unlikely he has any involvement at the moment. He hasn't cared a bit about all the children over the decades that have been traumatized so why all of a sudden to you think he would care? Nothing is through God, it's always people that do things to clean things up. That is your assumption about my God doesn’t care about the friends CSA children. If God didn’t care about us, He wouldn’t send His beloved Son died a horrible death of crucifixion on Calvary and the Second death for humanity to save our souls! If God didn’t care about us or the children, He would have destroyed humanity in the world wide flood so, His Son wouldn’t come down from heaven to die a cruel deaths for our sins.
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Post by snow on Apr 4, 2024 15:19:17 GMT -5
Is this the same god that did nothing for decades? Seems unlikely he has any involvement at the moment. He hasn't cared a bit about all the children over the decades that have been traumatized so why all of a sudden to you think he would care? Nothing is through God, it's always people that do things to clean things up. That is your assumption about my God doesn’t care about the friends CSA children. If God didn’t care about us, He wouldn’t send His beloved Son died a horrible death of crucifixion on Calvary and the Second death for humanity to save our souls! If God didn’t care about us or the children, He would have destroyed humanity in the world wide flood so, His Son wouldn’t come down from heaven to die a cruel deaths for our sins. That's what you call love? He kills his son and every person on earth except one family and you call that love? That is horrific if it was true. God does absolutely nothing. It's just like he doesn't exist. Because if he does exist, he doesn't care about all those children he allowed to be abused and that makes him a horrible entity.
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Post by nathan2 on Apr 4, 2024 15:47:02 GMT -5
That is your assumption about my God doesn’t care about the friends CSA children. If God didn’t care about us, He wouldn’t send His beloved Son died a horrible death of crucifixion on Calvary and the Second death for humanity to save our souls! If God didn’t care about us or the children, He would have destroyed humanity in the world wide flood so, His Son wouldn’t come down from heaven to die a cruel deaths for our sins. That's what you call love? He kills his son and every person on earth except one family and you call that love? That is horrific if it was true. God does absolutely nothing. It's just like he doesn't exist. Because if he does exist, he doesn't care about all those children he allowed to be abused and that makes him a horrible entity. You and I must agree to disagree with your negative assumption about my God’s characters. His Son volunteered to DIE on Calvary’s Cross for our sins and God the Father permitted to happen.
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Post by help on Apr 4, 2024 15:49:34 GMT -5
I find it strange that people within the 2x2's tried for 25 years to get the Overseers to take action on CSA. It took those outside the Church to deal with it. That means that God listens more to outsiders than insiders. Why didn't the 2x2's go to the Police if God was not doing anything about it for 25 years. Sounds like they haven't got much clout with God.
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Post by Annan on Apr 4, 2024 16:12:05 GMT -5
That's what you call love? He kills his son and every person on earth except one family and you call that love? That is horrific if it was true. God does absolutely nothing. It's just like he doesn't exist. Because if he does exist, he doesn't care about all those children he allowed to be abused and that makes him a horrible entity. You and I must agree to disagree with your negative assumption about my God’s characters. His Son volunteered to DIE on Calvary’s Cross for our sins and God the Father permitted to happen. You beliefs make people victims and promotes violence. Get a clue.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 4, 2024 16:13:48 GMT -5
I find it strange that people within the 2x2's tried for 25 years to get the Overseers to take action on CSA. It took those outside the Church to deal with it. That means that God listens more to outsiders than insiders. Why didn't the 2x2's go to the Police if God was not doing anything about it for 25 years. Sounds like they haven't got much clout with God. Nathan has told us many times that he spent years trying to expose CSA in his cult. None of his actions had any effects. His god obviously does not listen to Nathan.
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Post by help on Apr 4, 2024 16:26:42 GMT -5
Yes it does not make sense. It is not a very caring God to let it go on for a further 25 years before taking action, with many more victims. I think the God thing is just nonsense, it is decent people who care that achieved results, by doing the sensible thing and going to the Police. They deal with crime, not God.
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Post by Pragmatic on Apr 4, 2024 17:19:26 GMT -5
I find it strange that people within the 2x2's tried for 25 years to get the Overseers to take action on CSA. It took those outside the Church to deal with it. That means that God listens more to outsiders than insiders. Why didn't the 2x2's go to the Police if God was not doing anything about it for 25 years. Sounds like they haven't got much clout with God. Nathan has told us many times that he spent years trying to expose CSA in his cult. None of his actions had any effects. His god obviously does not listen to Nathan. It probably says something about who listens to Nathan, too.
I look at some of these posts and can only just shake my head. You cannot argue with a brainwashed person. They will never let facts get in the way of their belief system
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Post by nathan2 on Apr 4, 2024 18:20:14 GMT -5
I find it strange that people within the 2x2's tried for 25 years to get the Overseers to take action on CSA. It took those outside the Church to deal with it. That means that God listens more to outsiders than insiders. Why didn't the 2x2's go to the Police if God was not doing anything about it for 25 years. Sounds like they haven't got much clout with God. Back in the year 2000 if you bring up CSA topic, hardly anyone take it seriously or believe you! They think you make up stories! To harm so and so reputation and people think you have mental problems in your head. Back then, people don’t hear much or KNOW Much information about CSA. It was a taboo subject even to talk about it openly.
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Post by nathan2 on Apr 4, 2024 18:26:50 GMT -5
Nathan has told us many times that he spent years trying to expose CSA in his cult. None of his actions had any effects. His god obviously does not listen to Nathan. It probably says something about who listens to Nathan, too.
I look at some of these posts and can only just shake my head. You cannot argue with a brainwashed person. They will never let facts get in the way of their belief system
The CSA seeds was planted and make the 2x2 workers and the friends, exes who read the message board aware of it for 25 years on TMB.🤫 Now, many 2x2s are jumping on the CSA band wagon! Take no prisoners. They should have raised hell 24 years ago! Well, it’s a little late now, damaged already done. Now, is time to clean up the Mess.
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Post by help on Apr 4, 2024 19:33:34 GMT -5
I sort of have to wonder who is jumping on the CSA band wagon?.
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