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Post by toparrow on Apr 2, 2024 6:17:33 GMT -5
Convention Grounds England
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 2, 2024 6:20:50 GMT -5
Convention Grounds England 1980 5 2024 2 A 60% Drop Conventions Held 1980 6 2024 4 If Staffordshire is held a 33% Drop How many workers and ordinary people? Have you the numbers for Scotland, Wales, Northern ireland and Ireland? How much of that trend has happened in the last year or so?
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Post by nathan2 on Apr 2, 2024 8:55:37 GMT -5
Convention Grounds England 1980 5 2024 2 A 60% Drop Conventions Held 1980 6 2024 4 If Staffordshire is held a 33% Drop Jesus spoke about His 2nd Coming in the parable of 10 virgins, ONLY 5 wise Virgins went in to attend the Christ’s wedding and 5 foolish virgins left standing outside the gate! It seems 50% of 2x2s are NOT going to make or get in to attend Christ’s wedding feast. Paul wrote about the Great fallen away! Prior to Jesus 2nd coming Read II Thess 2:1-14 They were deceived by the god of this world so, they they hate God’s Truth so, He send them a strong delusion that they believed as the truth, they might be damned/punished. This Trend of great fallen away has been continuing the last 50 years! Jesus said in Matthew 24:14 He that endured unto the END shall be SAVED.
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Post by Annan on Apr 2, 2024 10:15:21 GMT -5
Convention Grounds England 1980 5 2024 2 A 60% Drop Conventions Held 1980 6 2024 4 If Staffordshire is held a 33% Drop Jesus spoke about His 2nd Coming in the parable of 10 virgins, ONLY 5 wise Virgins went in to attend the Christ’s wedding and 5 foolish virgins left standing outside the gate! It seems 50% of 2x2s are NOT going to make or get in to attend Christ’s wedding feast. Paul wrote about the Great fallen away! Prior to Jesus 2nd coming Read II Thess 2:1-14 They were deceived by the god of this world so, they they hate God’s Truth so, He send them a strong delusion that they believed as the truth, they might be damned/punished. This Trend of great fallen away has been continuing the last 50 years! Jesus said in Matthew 24:14 He that endured unto the END shall be SAVED. Let me guess, you think you are going to be the last man standing. No one wants to be in a heaven with you there. That is our version of hell. Even your family doesn't want to be with you. Get a clue, Natie.
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Post by nathan2 on Apr 2, 2024 11:04:27 GMT -5
Jesus spoke about His 2nd Coming in the parable of 10 virgins, ONLY 5 wise Virgins went in to attend the Christ’s wedding and 5 foolish virgins left standing outside the gate! It seems 50% of 2x2s are NOT going to make or get in to attend Christ’s wedding feast. Paul wrote about the Great fallen away! Prior to Jesus 2nd coming Read II Thess 2:1-14 They were deceived by the god of this world so, they they hate God’s Truth so, He send them a strong delusion that they believed as the truth, they might be damned/punished. This Trend of great fallen away has been continuing the last 50 years! Jesus said in Matthew 24:14 He that endured unto the END shall be SAVED. Let me guess, you think you are going to be the last man standing. No one wants to be in a heaven with you there. That is our version of hell. Even your family doesn't want to be with you. Get a clue, Natie. Read your Jewish Bible, who wrote it Jesus said prior to His 2nd coming Matthew 24 God will send his angels to gather His people/True believers around the world into His heavenly kingdom so, I will NOT be alone. We read Rev. 7 there will be a great numbers of True believers in heaven a human can’t even count it. I will NOT be alone in heaven.
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Post by themaninthemirror on Apr 2, 2024 14:27:28 GMT -5
Convention Grounds England 1980 5 2024 2 A 60% Drop Conventions Held 1980 6 2024 4 If Staffordshire is held a 33% Drop This shouldn’t be surprising. Some Church of England figures. The Diocese of Canterbury had 1,600 children in Sunday worship in 2019, before COVID. By 2022 it had 1,000 children in Sunday worship. That’s nearly a 40 percent drop. Usual Sunday Attendance (all ages) 2000 950,000 2010 799,000 2019 680,000 2022 549,000 The United Reformed Church was the main home for Presbyterians and Congregationalists in England. It is leading the trend of mainline decline. In 1972 it had 192,000 members. By 2022 it had 37,000 members. In 50 years, it has shrunk by over 80 percent. The bulk of its existing churches are small and elderly. This is what ecclesial collapse looks like. British Methodism is on the same path.
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Post by Annan on Apr 2, 2024 14:38:33 GMT -5
Let me guess, you think you are going to be the last man standing. No one wants to be in a heaven with you there. That is our version of hell. Even your family doesn't want to be with you. Get a clue, Natie. Read your Jewish Bible, who wrote it Jesus said prior to His 2nd coming Matthew 24 God will send his angels to gather His people/True believers around the world into His heavenly kingdom so, I will NOT be alone. We read Rev. 7 there will be a great numbers of True believers in heaven a human can’t even count it. I will NOT be alone in heaven. YOU CAN'T USE THE BIBLE TO PROVE THE BIBLE. GET A CLUE. IT'S OBVIOUS YOUR BRAIN FELL OUT YOUR LEFT EAR. You, sir, are a waste of time.
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Post by nathan2 on Apr 2, 2024 15:24:19 GMT -5
Read your Jewish Bible, who wrote it Jesus said prior to His 2nd coming Matthew 24 God will send his angels to gather His people/True believers around the world into His heavenly kingdom so, I will NOT be alone. We read Rev. 7 there will be a great numbers of True believers in heaven a human can’t even count it. I will NOT be alone in heaven. YOU CAN'T USE THE BIBLE TO PROVE THE BIBLE. GET A CLUE. IT'S OBVIOUS YOUR BRAIN FELL OUT YOUR LEFT EAR. You, sir, are a waste of time. We are talking about God and it was Holy men of God, who wrote the Bible. God spoke audibly to Job and he recorded what God had said to him about the Universe created by him. God spoke audibly to give Moses Old Testament laws to guide the children of Israel. The Bible proved God and Jesus the Son teachings are True. What proof do you need more than their own words.
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Post by help on Apr 2, 2024 15:51:11 GMT -5
Abraham Lincoln got it right when he said, "You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time".
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Post by Annan on Apr 2, 2024 17:01:38 GMT -5
YOU CAN'T USE THE BIBLE TO PROVE THE BIBLE. GET A CLUE. IT'S OBVIOUS YOUR BRAIN FELL OUT YOUR LEFT EAR. You, sir, are a waste of time. We are talking about God and it was Holy men of God, who wrote the Bible. God spoke audibly to Job and he recorded what God had said to him about the Universe created by him. God spoke audibly to give Moses Old Testament laws to guide the children of Israel. The Bible proved God and Jesus the Son teachings are True. What proof do you need more than their own words. No. You have no proof who wrote the your book.
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Post by Pragmatic on Apr 2, 2024 17:40:28 GMT -5
Why is it when someone puts up a thread with a good topic, it gets hijacked by Nathan and his circular thinking? The topic was the downward spiral in England.
We are not only seeing evidence of the 2x2 church seeing the same decline in numbers as orthodox churches, but also still seeing senior workers and overseers, some now deceased, having CSA and SA allegation against them.
the BBC did their article on the church, which has opened the door to more exposure of wrongs.
In my opinion, the decline is accelerated by the actions of workers and elders and not some prophetic writings that have been right and wrong many times as the church(s) have grown and shrunk a number of times through history, as that is the cycle of such things.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 2, 2024 17:54:02 GMT -5
Why is it when someone puts up a thread with a good topic, it gets hijacked by Nathan and his circular thinking? The topic was the downward spiral in England. We are not only seeing evidence of the 2x2 church seeing the same decline in numbers as orthodox churches, but also still seeing senior workers and overseers, some now deceased, having CSA and SA allegation against them. the BBC did their article on the church, which has opened the door to more exposure of wrongs. In my opinion, the decline is accelerated by the actions of workers and elders and not some prophetic writings that have been right and wrong many times as the church(s) have grown and shrunk a number of times through history, as that is the cycle of such things. It seems that it is not only in England that the downward spiral is occurring. Some of the western USA states have lost quite a number. Some source say 30%, some say 40%. I knew there was already a downward trend occurring for several years. That is due to better education and people making sensible choices rather than emotive choices. However, now it seems that the downward spiral has accelerated due to Bruergate and people being so disgusted with the workers that they have chosen not to associate with them.
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Post by nathan2 on Apr 2, 2024 18:04:13 GMT -5
Why is it when someone puts up a thread with a good topic, it gets hijacked by Nathan and his circular thinking? The topic was the downward spiral in England. We are not only seeing evidence of the 2x2 church seeing the same decline in numbers as orthodox churches, but also still seeing senior workers and overseers, some now deceased, having CSA and SA allegation against them. the BBC did their article on the church, which has opened the door to more exposure of wrongs. In my opinion, the decline is accelerated by the actions of workers and elders and not some prophetic writings that have been right and wrong many times as the church(s) have grown and shrunk a number of times through history, as that is the cycle of such things. It seems that it is not only in England that the downward spiral is occurring. Some of the western USA states have lost quite a number. Some source say 30%, some say 40%. I knew there was already a downward trend occurring for several years. That is due to better education and people making sensible choices rather than emotive choices. However, now it seems that the downward spiral has accelerated due to Bruergate and people being so disgusted with the workers that they have chosen not to associate with them. hmmmmm… Judas betrayed Jesus for 30 pieces of silver but we don’t read the 11 apostles, 70 and 500 followers of Jesus leave the ministry and the fellowship because of Judas betrayal.
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Post by Pragmatic on Apr 2, 2024 18:35:58 GMT -5
Again, that is circular reasoning Nathan, and has absolutely nothing to do with today's issues. Some friends even use that reasoning as an excuse to do nothing about CSA.
The decline in numbers in USA/Canada be even be close to 50%.
The trouble is, as I used to say, the likes of Wally and Nathan could be the last ones left in the circular firing squad, and then look at one another and still be happy because of the quote, "few there be that are saved".
It is the likes of the workers attitudes such as we have seen in NSW, and Queensland, the USA, Canada, and such places where religious arrogance, self-righteousness, and control mechanism via legalisms and exclusivity have simply driven people away. It is far more than CSA.
I said right at the outset of Bruergate, the test for the church is not just CSA, it is the reaction to it.
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Post by xna on Apr 2, 2024 20:27:49 GMT -5
The trouble is, as I used to say, the likes of Wally and Nathan could be the last ones left in the circular firing squad, and then look at one another and still be happy because of the quote, "few there be that are saved". I wonder if Wally still professes. The 2x2 I knew were all exclusive like Nathan, but Wally was not an exclusive 2x2. He said he believed the 2x2 was not the only way to heaven. Wally was disappointed with the sexual corruption in the 2x2, and leadership's response to the corruption. Someday we may know, or not. Nathan may be the guy who turns the lights off.
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Post by ForeverFree on Apr 2, 2024 22:51:29 GMT -5
YOU CAN'T USE THE BIBLE TO PROVE THE BIBLE. GET A CLUE. IT'S OBVIOUS YOUR BRAIN FELL OUT YOUR LEFT EAR. You, sir, are a waste of time. We are talking about God and it was Holy men of God, who wrote the Bible. God spoke audibly to Job and he recorded what God had said to him about the Universe created by him. God spoke audibly to give Moses Old Testament laws to guide the children of Israel. The Bible proved God and Jesus the Son teachings are True. What proof do you need more than their own words. The Bible was written, then re-written and re-written and re-written by many people's interpretation of what God would say. It has changed so many times over the years, and continues to change, and will continue to change. It is not the word of God, but rather man's interpretation of what the writers think the word of God would be. The writers claim it is the word of God, because, well, who would believe half the stuff written if it wasn't God that said it?! And the religious leaders use this as a control method, that if you don't do what they tell you to do according to the Bible, you are disobeying God. (sound familiar?)
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Post by nathan2 on Apr 2, 2024 23:01:38 GMT -5
The trouble is, as I used to say, the likes of Wally and Nathan could be the last ones left in the circular firing squad, and then look at one another and still be happy because of the quote, "few there be that are saved". I wonder if Wally still professes. The 2x2 I knew were all exclusive like Nathan, but Wally was not an exclusive 2x2. He said he believed the 2x2 was not the only way to heaven. Wally was disappointed with the sexual corruption in the 2x2, and leadership's response to the corruption. Someday we may know, or not. Nathan may be the guy who turns the lights off. I keep in touch with Wally, I will let you know.👍
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 2, 2024 23:08:26 GMT -5
I wonder if Wally still professes. The 2x2 I knew were all exclusive like Nathan, but Wally was not an exclusive 2x2. He said he believed the 2x2 was not the only way to heaven. Wally was disappointed with the sexual corruption in the 2x2, and leadership's response to the corruption. Someday we may know, or not. Nathan may be the guy who turns the lights off. I keep in touch with Wally, I will let you know.👍 If Wally has left because of the corruption and crime within the 2x2's I applaud the stand he has taken.
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Post by nathan2 on Apr 2, 2024 23:47:28 GMT -5
I keep in touch with Wally, I will let you know.👍 If Wally has left because of the corruption and crime within the 2x2's I applaud the stand he has taken. Most of 2x2s are standing with Wally and myself included. I don’t believe Wally has left the 2x2, he wants to take a break to get his wife come to U.S. next year.
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Post by Pragmatic on Apr 2, 2024 23:50:39 GMT -5
If Wally has left because of the corruption and crime within the 2x2's I applaud the stand he has taken. Most of 2x2s are standing with Wally and myself included. I don’t believe Wally has left the 2x2, he wants to take a break to get his wife come to U.S. next year. So you're in touch with most of them worldwide and know that! And most know Wally?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 2, 2024 23:54:44 GMT -5
If Wally has left because of the corruption and crime within the 2x2's I applaud the stand he has taken. Most of 2x2s are standing with Wally and myself included. I don’t believe Wally has left the 2x2, he wants to take a break to get his wife come to U.S. next year. Is she from Mexico?
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Post by nathan2 on Apr 2, 2024 23:55:47 GMT -5
Most of 2x2s are standing with Wally and myself included. I don’t believe Wally has left the 2x2, he wants to take a break to get his wife come to U.S. next year. So you're in touch with most of them worldwide and know that! And most know Wally? Yes, I read many of 2x2s chit and chat in many places.
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Post by nathan2 on Apr 2, 2024 23:57:18 GMT -5
Most of 2x2s are standing with Wally and myself included. I don’t believe Wally has left the 2x2, he wants to take a break to get his wife come to U.S. next year. Is she from Mexico? No, from the 🇵🇭 Philippine, he even sent me a picture of her. Nice looking lady.
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 2, 2024 23:58:43 GMT -5
If Wally has left because of the corruption and crime within the 2x2's I applaud the stand he has taken. Most of 2x2s are standing with Wally and myself included. I don’t believe Wally has left the 2x2, he wants to take a break to get his wife come to U.S. next year. You're out of touch.
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Post by nathan2 on Apr 3, 2024 0:03:36 GMT -5
Most of 2x2s are standing with Wally and myself included. I don’t believe Wally has left the 2x2, he wants to take a break to get his wife come to U.S. next year. You're out of touch. How am I out of touch? I just had supper with two senior sister workers in my field, we discussed all types of current topics.
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 3, 2024 0:15:14 GMT -5
How am I out of touch? I just had supper with two senior sister workers in my field, we discussed all types of current topics. You have reinforced my point with that statement.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 3, 2024 0:15:49 GMT -5
No, from the 🇵🇭 Philippine, he even sent me a picture of her. Nice looking lady. Did he get her from the garden of Eden?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 3, 2024 0:17:45 GMT -5
How am I out of touch? I just had supper with two senior sister workers in my field, we discussed all types of current topics. Did you or your wife cook for them?
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