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Post by SharonArnold on Jan 5, 2024 17:31:07 GMT -5
It's such a taboo subject...I'd say most churches have never got right on this with the very first report...most took some time to get going on reporting and punishing this. There is no record generally of this from a church perspective. the Truth will have to do some serious catchup just like some others already did... How long is "some time"? wingsfortruth.info/2023/07/08/35-years-ago-to-taylor-wood-and-the-church/It is so sobering to read these letters, particularly when you pay attention to the dates. I think of the generation or two of children impacted by this kind of wrong-doing, that should never have been, if we had all been responsible adults. (Dale Schultz, how many children could you have single-handedly saved? Do you think God might have an opinion on this? Do you truly think that all the pain and the distress of these children isn't going to be yours someday/somehow? (And, do not think for a moment that all of the questions I have are directed at you or your counterparts. Some of them are directed at myself.)) I know I have read these letters in the past, but let them slide away. I was naive enough to believe that all of this was being effectively dealt with because of a number of factors, including: 1) Some of the truly stellar human beings involved in WingForTruth. 2) Our maturation as a society, which now has the terminology and the will to deal with these kinds of abominations. 3) the belief that any normal decent human being, once informed, would be as appalled by this kind of conduct as I am. (Wrong, again, Sharon.) |
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Post by help on Jan 5, 2024 18:54:46 GMT -5
No Sharon, your thinking is spot on, never wrong. CSA is a dreadful scourge on our society and it beggars belief as to why it is prevalent in religious groups, especially the "Perfect Way". When the issue started about 15 years ago, I was not prepared to believe that it could happen within the 2x2's. Because it had never happened to me I thought it was just lies being told by "Bitter Exe's". I even tried to defend some of my friends who were being accused, since to find out they were guilty. A bitter disappointment, I would have preferred to maintain the innocence I once had.
The Australian Government has started a campaign to make children more aware of the dangers, by having Parents and Grandparents to talk to their Children about the dangers out there. So we all have that responsibility to keep Children safe. The Australian Government is to be commended for the actions it has taken in regard to CSA. Pity that 2x2 management has not followed their lead.
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Post by tulip2 on Jan 6, 2024 0:13:44 GMT -5
When the issue started about 15 years ago, I was not prepared to believe that it could happen within the 2x2's. Because it had never happened to me I thought it was just lies being told by "Bitter Exe's". I even tried to defend some of my friends who were being accused, since to find out they were guilty. A bitter disappointment, I would have preferred to maintain the innocence I once had. Like you help, where I am in Australia I was also totally innocent 15 years ago and disbelieving that anything like CSA could involve the workers I knew and trusted. Also it was a bitter disappointment, not just those accused of CSA but those prepared to lie to protect perpetrators and a system that was covering CSA in its midst. Ever watched a cesspool drying up, as the pure water evaporates and leaves? What is left behind simply becomes more and more putrid. Sad to see so many good Christian folk leaving this fellowship, like the Queensland person who wrote that letter, because those "in charge" won't swallow their pride and demonstrate the deep sorrow and "sackcloth and ashes" repentance required of their ministry. What is so hard, that is stopping overseers and senior workers from acting with godly integrity to support & encourage victims and those of us remaining in the fellowship, let alone their own consciences? (and in Australia, what advice are they getting from their panel of faceless advisers? Are they being advised that the current inaction and pretence will somehow prevent this fellowship just ending up an empty shell, all the true followers of Jesus having left long ago?) |
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Post by help on Jan 6, 2024 0:29:52 GMT -5
I was aware when I was a 2x2 that some Workers do commit adultery. I found that out from a Worker who was a good mate of mine, we grew up together. I was surprised but able to accept that men will be men if women let them. Consenting adults having a bit of fun. But Workers involved in CSA, never. Comes as a big disappointment, and I feel so sorry for the faithful 2x2's that have to live with this knowledge, some being members of our own Family and the good friends that we have.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jan 6, 2024 2:26:07 GMT -5
If their looking for a church or even a religion that doesn't have this happening, they'll be looking forever... It's not about whether or not it happens in a church, as bad as that is, it's what is the reaction to it? Enabling an moving perpetrator, ex-communicating those who reported it, trying to force a young worker to defend a perpetrator (Elder) in court, victim blaming are all aspects that are the antithesis of Christian living.All these things have been, and are still happening when it can be gotten away with.
Other churches have their problems, but in our church, it is estimated to be 1 in 6 workers, 1 in 10 elders who have committed CSA. In the Roman Catholic Church it is estimated to be 1 in 17 priests. (as per Jon McClermon, yet to be validated).
The analytics of this data gives lie to the fact that hardly anyone knew.
Bruergate has also flushed out to the laity more data regarding William Irvine that cannot be refuted, and is challenging the beliefs of those who did not know, or were in denial. People now feel deceived.
And to date, there has been no move to financial accountability as many are now requesting, as a result of no checks and balances being factors in Dean Bruer getting away with his crimes for so long.
And for those who, it's God's timing, or the Holy Spirit's timing, to flush these things out. I say, balderdash.
I do not believe for one moment that the Holy Spirit said to Taylor wood, "Do nothing, ignore the pleas. I want hundreds more children to be raped by workers before we'll declare that it's no longer acceptable." That is mental gymnastics at it's finest!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2024 8:36:03 GMT -5
If their looking for a church or even a religion that doesn't have this happening, they'll be looking forever... It's not about whether or not it happens in a church, as bad as that is, it's what is the reaction to it? Enabling an moving perpetrator, ex-communicating those who reported it, trying to force a young worker to defend a perpetrator (Elder) in court, victim blaming are all aspects that are the antithesis of Christian living.All these things have been, and are still happening when it can be gotten away with.
Other churches have their problems, but in our church, it is estimated to be 1 in 6 workers, 1 in 10 elders who have committed CSA. In the Roman Catholic Church it is estimated to be 1 in 17 priests. (as per Jon McClermon, yet to be validated).
The analytics of this data gives lie to the fact that hardly anyone knew.
Bruergate has also flushed out to the laity more data regarding William Irvine that cannot be refuted, and is challenging the beliefs of those who did not know, or were in denial. People now feel deceived.
And to date, there has been no move to financial accountability as many are now requesting, as a result of no checks and balances being factors in Dean Bruer getting away with his crimes for so long.
And for those who, it's God's timing, or the Holy Spirit's timing, to flush these things out. I say, balderdash.
I do not believe for one moment that the Holy Spirit said to Taylor wood, "Do nothing, ignore the pleas. I want hundreds more children to be raped by workers before we'll declare that it's no longer acceptable." That is mental gymnastics at it's finest!
When I said happening that would include everything and every detail. we'll see once most of them are investigated and tried or not. With no real or vague unvalidated numbers like we are seeing, pretty ignorant to come up with estimates like that....the "estimated" 600 still doesn't come close to 4000 plus any not caught in the RC. Not worried at all about the money, most pedos don't need money to do their evil. NO ONE has said God told them to ignore or hide it that I'm aware of...that can be proven. God does deal with things on his time. Read scripture to figure it out.... |
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Post by matisse on Jan 6, 2024 9:23:35 GMT -5
It's not about whether or not it happens in a church, as bad as that is, it's what is the reaction to it? Enabling an moving perpetrator, ex-communicating those who reported it, trying to force a young worker to defend a perpetrator (Elder) in court, victim blaming are all aspects that are the antithesis of Christian living.All these things have been, and are still happening when it can be gotten away with.
Other churches have their problems, but in our church, it is estimated to be 1 in 6 workers, 1 in 10 elders who have committed CSA. In the Roman Catholic Church it is estimated to be 1 in 17 priests. (as per Jon McClermon, yet to be validated). The analytics of this data gives lie to the fact that hardly anyone knew. Bruergate has also flushed out to the laity more data regarding William Irvine that cannot be refuted, and is challenging the beliefs of those who did not know, or were in denial. People now feel deceived. And to date, there has been no move to financial accountability as many are now requesting, as a result of no checks and balances being factors in Dean Bruer getting away with his crimes for so long. And for those who, it's God's timing, or the Holy Spirit's timing, to flush these things out. I say, balderdash. I do not believe for one moment that the Holy Spirit said to Taylor wood, "Do nothing, ignore the pleas. I want hundreds more children to be raped by workers before we'll declare that it's no longer acceptable." That is mental gymnastics at it's finest!
When I said happening that would include everything and every detail. we'll see once most of them are investigated and tried or not. With no real or vague unvalidated numbers like we are seeing, pretty ignorant to come up with estimates like that....the "estimated" 600 still doesn't come close to 4000 plus any not caught in the RC. Not worried at all about the money, most pedos don't need money to do their evil. NO ONE has said God told them to ignore or hide it that I'm aware of...that can be proven. God does deal with things on his time. Read scripture to figure it out.... ...always an excuse for God not showing up. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2024 10:29:39 GMT -5
When I said happening that would include everything and every detail. we'll see once most of them are investigated and tried or not. With no real or vague unvalidated numbers like we are seeing, pretty ignorant to come up with estimates like that....the "estimated" 600 still doesn't come close to 4000 plus any not caught in the RC. Not worried at all about the money, most pedos don't need money to do their evil. NO ONE has said God told them to ignore or hide it that I'm aware of...that can be proven. God does deal with things on his time. Read scripture to figure it out.... ...always an excuse for God not showing up. Satan showed up.... |
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Post by matisse on Jan 6, 2024 13:25:22 GMT -5
...always an excuse for God not showing up. Satan showed up.... Yet another lousy excuse for a God who is conspicuous by his absence. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2024 13:58:12 GMT -5
Yet another lousy excuse for a God who is conspicuous by his absence. He don't want robots, free will love it or leave. Interesting enough you atheist types always are crying about God interfering in the OT and calling him a monster then but now want him to interfere.. Pathetic hypocritical loser humans do that... |
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Post by Mary on Jan 6, 2024 14:35:03 GMT -5
Yet another lousy excuse for a God who is conspicuous by his absence. It's interesting how those in meetings try and rationalize the offending. Maybe it's the only way they can continue to be in such a dysfunctional system. |
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Post by Mary on Jan 6, 2024 14:39:41 GMT -5
...always an excuse for God not showing up. Satan showed up.... There's the world, the flesh and the devil. Blaming the devil is an attempt to let the offender off the hook rather than them taking responsibility for their own actions (flesh). |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2024 14:52:48 GMT -5
There's the world, the flesh and the devil. Blaming the devil is an attempt to let the offender off the hook rather than them taking responsibility for their own actions (flesh). Did not lay the blame just on the devil. If you don't know your enemy you will never see him coming. If you think he's powerless to corrupt you need to start in Genesis 1:1 and re-read the whole bible. Looks like blinders on for those like you... |
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Post by Mary on Jan 6, 2024 15:00:27 GMT -5
There's the world, the flesh and the devil. Blaming the devil is an attempt to let the offender off the hook rather than them taking responsibility for their own actions (flesh). Did not lay the blame just on the devil. If you don't know your enemy you will never see him coming. If you think he's powerless to corrupt you need to start in Genesis 1:1 and re-read the whole bible. Looks like blinders on for those like you... It is their flesh. It's the difference between blaming the devil or taking responsibility for their own actions. The devil made me do it... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2024 15:06:29 GMT -5
Did not lay the blame just on the devil. If you don't know your enemy you will never see him coming. If you think he's powerless to corrupt you need to start in Genesis 1:1 and re-read the whole bible. Looks like blinders on for those like you... It is their flesh. It's the difference between blaming the devil or taking responsibility for their own actions. The devil made me do it... Not very biblical as of late I wonder why? 1Pe_5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: |
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Post by Mary on Jan 6, 2024 15:15:54 GMT -5
It is their flesh. It's the difference between blaming the devil or taking responsibility for their own actions. The devil made me do it... Not very biblical as of late I wonder why? 1Pe_5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: James 1 13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2024 16:05:45 GMT -5
Not very biblical as of late I wonder why? 1Pe_5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: James 1 13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. Who said God was tempting anyone we are talking the devil... Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Mar 5:7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. Mar 5:8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit. Mar 5:9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many. Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Mat 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. Mat 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. Mat 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Mat 4:5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, Mat 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Mat 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; Mat 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Mat 4:11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him. Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: Luk 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve. Luk 22:4 And he went his way, and communed with the chief priests and captains, how he might betray him unto them. Luk 22:5 And they were glad, and covenanted to give him money. Luk 22:6 And he promised, and sought opportunity to betray him unto them in the absence of the multitude. Joh 13:26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon. Joh 13:27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly. Joh 13:28 Now no man at the table knew for what intent he spake this unto him. Joh 13:29 For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor. Joh 13:30 He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night. 1Pe_5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Those are just a few that mention the devil and show what can happen.... If he's irrelevant he sure gets a bit of a mention and warning to watch out for him in the scriptures....was Christ lying? Anywho you are engaged in a strawman...no one said only Satan did these things or God was tempting anyone.... not even a good try.... |
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Post by Pragmatic on Jan 6, 2024 16:37:20 GMT -5
James 1 13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. Who said God was tempting anyone we are talking the devil... Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Mar 5:7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. Mar 5:8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit. Mar 5:9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many. Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Mat 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. Mat 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. Mat 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Mat 4:5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, Mat 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Mat 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; Mat 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Mat 4:11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him. Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: Luk 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve. Luk 22:4 And he went his way, and communed with the chief priests and captains, how he might betray him unto them. Luk 22:5 And they were glad, and covenanted to give him money. Luk 22:6 And he promised, and sought opportunity to betray him unto them in the absence of the multitude. Joh 13:26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon. Joh 13:27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly. Joh 13:28 Now no man at the table knew for what intent he spake this unto him. Joh 13:29 For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor. Joh 13:30 He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night. 1Pe_5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Those are just a few that mention the devil and show what can happen.... If he's irrelevant he sure gets a bit of a mention and warning to watch out for him in the scriptures....was Christ lying? Anywho you are engaged in a strawman...no one said only Satan did these things or God was tempting anyone.... not even a good try.... A worker who has been described by an ex-worker, as having had known homosexual relationships, told me face to face that the workers are more Holy Spirit led, and have greater insight than the friends of the scriptures and their meaning. He also said that the friends salvation is on the workers' shoulders. The friends need to obey what the workers say, even if the workers are wrong, for these reasons.
So if you extrapolate that out, being more spirit led, a greater insight, and having to obey them, what does that say about allowing all of this criminal activity to continue for so long? To me that is blasphemy, because it is almost implying the Holy Spirit is responsible.
Yes, that occurs in some other churches as well, but we're discussing our church, and the claims that the workers oversight and elders have made, and are, many elders and friends. When they claim to be the only right ones, that really takes the cake.
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Post by SharonArnold on Jan 6, 2024 20:16:27 GMT -5
A worker who has been described by an ex-worker, as having had known homosexual relationships, told me face to face that the workers are more Holy Spirit led, and have greater insight than the friends of the scriptures and their meaning. He also said that the friends salvation is on the workers' shoulders. The friends need to obey what the workers say, even if the workers are wrong, for these reasons. So if you extrapolate that out, being more spirit led, a greater insight, and having to obey them, what does that say about allowing all of this criminal activity to continue for so long? To me that is blasphemy, because it is almost implying the Holy Spirit is responsible. This is the direction my thoughts have been going as well. I think that 2X2 leadership needs to be really careful when invoking the “Spirit-Led” terminology. Historically, we know that they have used their claim to it to provide themselves with cover to do whatever ever they want to do and to shut down further discussion. During the AB excommunications, one of the excommunicants said “But I thought we were to be Spirit-Led." The worker-executioner replied “Yes, Spirit-Led, by us”. At the time, I thought that was oxymoronic. Or, at the very least, moronic. I really don’t know. I am no Bible scholar, I’ve never aspired to be one. But I personally wonder if they are not moving into “unforgiveable sin” territory here. Whatever that may mean. ( I also don’t know that.) |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2024 20:22:33 GMT -5
A worker who has been described by an ex-worker, as having had known homosexual relationships, told me face to face that the workers are more Holy Spirit led, and have greater insight than the friends of the scriptures and their meaning. He also said that the friends salvation is on the workers' shoulders. The friends need to obey what the workers say, even if the workers are wrong, for these reasons. So if you extrapolate that out, being more spirit led, a greater insight, and having to obey them, what does that say about allowing all of this criminal activity to continue for so long? To me that is blasphemy, because it is almost implying the Holy Spirit is responsible. This is the direction my thoughts have been going as well. I think that 2X2 leadership needs to be really careful when invoking the “Spirit-Led” terminology. Historically, we know that they have used their claim to it to provide themselves with cover to do whatever ever they want to do and to shut down further discussion. During the AB excommunications, one of the excommunicants said “But I thought we were to be Spirit-Led." The worker-executioner replied “Yes, Spirit-Led, by us”. At the time, I thought that was oxymoronic. Or, at the very least, moronic. I really don’t know. I am no Bible scholar, I’ve never aspired to be one. But I personally wonder if they are not moving into “unforgiveable sin” territory here. Whatever that may mean. ( I also don’t know that.) Could be wrong, but I think everything has come to a screeching halt and stuff like this will be rare now.... |
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Post by fixit on Jan 6, 2024 21:22:50 GMT -5
A worker who has been described by an ex-worker, as having had known homosexual relationships, told me face to face that the workers are more Holy Spirit led, and have greater insight than the friends of the scriptures and their meaning. He also said that the friends salvation is on the workers' shoulders. The friends need to obey what the workers say, even if the workers are wrong, for these reasons. That is Dale Shultz doctrine: www.tellingthetruth.info/workers_later/shultz-AB.phpMaybe this worker has changed his views. Hopefully Dale has as well. It's a root cause of the current chaos in the fellowship. We can't serve two masters i.e. be worker/system-led and Spirit-led at the same time. Romans 8:14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. 15 The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.” 16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. Matthew 20:25 Jesus called them together and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. 26 Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, 27 and whoever wants to be first must be your slave— |
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Post by tulip2 on Jan 6, 2024 22:49:48 GMT -5
I was aware when I was a 2x2 that some Workers do commit adultery. I found that out from a Worker who was a good mate of mine, we grew up together. I was surprised but able to accept that men will be men if women let them. Consenting adults having a bit of fun. It's common knowledge among the friends that an overseer of an eastern state has engaged in such trysts. But like you say, to discover a worker you knew had confessed to sexually assaulting very young girls was a whole other level. Not something you can un-know once you know it. And it's very distressing and injurious going forward. Especially when the victims seem to get little care, the perpetrator workers seem to get plenty of care, and those 16 advisors seem to be doing nothing but supporting the workers in these unsatisfactory responses. But Workers involved in CSA, never. Comes as a big disappointment, and I feel so sorry for the faithful 2x2's that have to live with this knowledge, some being members of our own Family and the good friends that we have. |
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Post by tulip2 on Jan 6, 2024 22:53:48 GMT -5
Not worried at all about the money, most pedos don't need money to do their evil. Think Dean Bruer. No worries about financial accountability for the money handed to workers for the gospel? |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 7, 2024 0:46:00 GMT -5
Not worried at all about the money, most pedos don't need money to do their evil. Think Dean Bruer. No worries about financial accountability for the money handed to workers for the gospel? The money will still be rolling in from all the nice people that are still going to meetings. Nice people talk about the rose garden and how beautiful the lawn looks, not about sordid stuff like homosexual workers or workers suxually abusing children and other adults. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2024 2:45:25 GMT -5
Not worried at all about the money, most pedos don't need money to do their evil. Think Dean Bruer. No worries about financial accountability for the money handed to workers for the gospel? Pedos don't need money to do the evil they do, what's your point...... |
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Post by Pragmatic on Jan 7, 2024 4:01:11 GMT -5
Think Dean Bruer. No worries about financial accountability for the money handed to workers for the gospel? Pedos don't need money to do the evil they do, what's your point...... That is true, but so also is the fact that a lack of financial transparency and accountability permitted Dean Bruer to take his offending up a whole notch by staying at his Hotel Chain of choice, by himself, as per his club card with a high credit limit from what has been said. This made his offending easier, possibly more frequent, and harder for his peers to discover.
In his position, how much did he commandeer from lower down the food chain in order to support his lifestyle? We've all heard reports of senior workers taking what the junior workers got given, so this is a question that deserves and answer, and possibly an apology to the friends in the places where he located himself. I do not use the term laboured, because it was obviously anything but that!
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