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Post by fixit on Dec 15, 2023 17:19:40 GMT -5
OK, I have had a lot to say about stuff over the years but in this case I had nothing to add.
I didn't know whether it was right or wrong, and it was none of my business either way.
Actually, I don't appreciate being guilt-tripped into participating on any particular thread.
Participation on TMB is voluntary.
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Post by Mary on Dec 16, 2023 0:46:46 GMT -5
Yes I imagine that would be true for a divided home too. I'm curious. In a divided home, did the professing person not share things in the church with their spouse? Just some stuff maybe? I'm sure that it varies from home to home. Hopefully both spouses understand exactly why one spouse chose to leave the fellowship, and why the other didn't and that that is respected by each spouse. That would be the ideal. I think that the spouse who leaves the meetings needs to be subsequently careful that their actions and words regarding the church don't hurt their spouse (eg in any way mock the spouse's belief or faith however gently - I think be very caring around this because faith matters can often be felt very personally and it would be easy to hurt). If care like that is shown I think it will confirm trust, allowing the sharing of things openly about the fellowship by the professing spouse. Just my 2 cents worth. Divided homes are not just where one spouse leaves meetings and the other stays. A divided home can also be where one spouse has never professed. In our family the professing wife claimed she was the head of the home because her husband wasn't professing.
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Post by Mary on Dec 16, 2023 0:58:04 GMT -5
Excellent news. Well . Superb stuff. I hope that the action you have taken is heartily endorsed by all posters on this board. You asked, fixit, what I expected to be done. I expected to see a strong response from all TMB members to curly's posts. That was probably always expecting too much because right from the beginning a good number of posters were expressing 'likes' for curly's posts on his offending thread. But just imagine this scenario. Imagine if review005 had made a post of similar ilk and spirit on this Board. TMB members (professing or non-professing) would have been jumping all over it calling for action etc (as we have seen in the past). Everyone would be chirping in. But this time there was total silence. That indicates that something is awry. So I suspect that TMB posters (both professing and non-professing) are going to have to accept a period where people will mutter among themselves about the hypocricy and the showing of partiality that is exhibited here. And frankly, as a bystander, I'd have to say rightly so. There are other points that can be made about the hypocricy evident here but that would only lengthen this post (I have alluded to it in a previous post) - but hopefully you get the point. Sadly, this little saga has damaged the credibility of TMB posters and sadly it has been self-inflicted. I will probably now take a break from posting on TMB. I feel a good conclusion has been reached. Excellent work Admin. It is on other social media's sites too, not just TMB. I haven't seen you speak out loudly on behalf of victims of sexual abuse. Has there been a retraction by Graham Thompson in regard to the letter he wrote to the workers about the issue at hand? It seems likely that no one would have believed accusations against Dean Bruer (sp?), especially given the wonderful comments written about him when he passed, had the workers not seen the proof for themselves. I'm not saying this in connection to the person referred to in this thread, just a general comment.
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Post by Pragmatic on Dec 16, 2023 3:09:05 GMT -5
Fixit said it well.
Regarding Review005, he attacked a number of us on here individually, personally and publicly. This from a senior worker who's younger companion called for help and was whisked away by the overseer and taken under his wing. Some of the observed reasons were body language in the missions, and a condescending attitude towards the younger companion. Bad enough for some people to boycott the mission.
So of course, we stand up to people like that.
Unless GT posts a retraction, then what he wrote is now in the public domain, and is yet to be dealt with. And there will be other things to come out of the woodwork in time, based on what he wrote. Not everything on the Internet is true, obviously, but some things on other sites written by people in the know, including an ex-companion will have to be addressed at some stage.
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magpies39plus
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WHY? Does quoting relevant scripture send the 2x2;s into sometimes a nasty response??
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Post by magpies39plus on Dec 16, 2023 3:58:44 GMT -5
Where from here G'day Why should I not identify the 2 paedophile preachers that molested me? "OR" name the other ones Sister/Brother Preachers the I (we) know existed or exist today. This problem is rife in other unbiblical celibate ministries also isn't it? If you have unatural sexual urges/orientations what better place to hide,be a supposed celibate preacher, aye?? Paul made it clear that he and Barnabas were the only two unmarried Disiples, 1 Corinthians 9 v 5/6. So what are you carrying on about??? At school I was known as Fiddlers little boy=== They all knew that I was of the same Church as a disgraced paedophile preacher,who molested any kid he could get near. The Irvine doctrine had a minus hundreds % acceptance in that district... So under the 2x2 Irvine doctrine the whole district are lost and going to "HELL".... Happy now? Magpie PS I know as(We lived near)a man who belted his son with a shovel when he found out he was a homosexual. Where was the best place to hide,he joined the 2x2 ministry.... Later he was one of the 3 named in the reason for the tragic breakdown and suicide of Ian Parker.Check it out,was not long before those other two preachers got jail sentences for horrific sexual abuse histories.
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Post by fixit on Dec 16, 2023 4:59:19 GMT -5
I will probably now take a break from posting on TMB. It will be interesting to see what you call yourself next time. review006 perhaps?
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Post by Pragmatic on Dec 16, 2023 19:25:52 GMT -5
The fact that the poster, a so called "New Member" was apprised of the previous posts regarding Review005, tends to indicate that the pseudonym was another iteration of a previous one. I wondered it, Fixit asked it
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Post by fixit on Dec 17, 2023 0:07:04 GMT -5
It has been suggested to me that review007 would be more appropriate next time.
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Post by Pragmatic on Dec 17, 2023 2:31:59 GMT -5
I was thinking review666
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Post by guest8 on Dec 21, 2023 14:23:35 GMT -5
Do you have a list for speakers by any chance? Will send it to you in a personal message. Intrigued. I may of missed something. How come an "ex, not professing from yrs ago" ( posts removed) has a current 2023 conv workers speaking list? Never had one in my life!
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Post by snow on Dec 21, 2023 14:33:12 GMT -5
Will send it to you in a personal message. Intrigued. I may of missed something. How come an "ex, not professing from yrs ago" ( posts removed) has a current 2023 conv workers speaking list? Never had one in my life! Maybe because he wasn't an ex for years and had an inside track...?
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Post by guest8 on Dec 21, 2023 14:36:39 GMT -5
"Divided home". I thought this ill-considered terminology had gone. Whats difficult about simply saying...'a home where one spouse is not professing'.
My father who was not professing would not of been happy hearing that description of his home. My parents were united in love, care & respect for each other. And surely that is 'the greater whole' in a marriage/ in a home.
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Post by snow on Dec 21, 2023 14:43:39 GMT -5
"Divided home". I thought this ill-considered terminology had gone. Whats difficult about simply saying...'a home where one spouse is not professing'. My father who was not professing would not of been happy hearing that description of his home. My parents were united in love, care & respect for each other. And surely that is 'the greater whole' in a marriage/ in a home. It's what the workers still refer to when one spouse doesn't profess. That's because that's how they see it. Us against them is what they support with their exclusivity message that everyone but the friends and workers are going to hell.
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Post by Pragmatic on Dec 21, 2023 14:54:17 GMT -5
"Divided home". I thought this ill-considered terminology had gone. Whats difficult about simply saying...'a home where one spouse is not professing'. My father who was not professing would not of been happy hearing that description of his home. My parents were united in love, care & respect for each other. And surely that is 'the greater whole' in a marriage/ in a home. It's what the workers still refer to when one spouse doesn't profess. That's because that's how they see it. Us against them is what they support with their exclusivity message that everyone but the friends and workers are going to hell. True, and it's a term I find offensive.
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Post by Admin on Dec 21, 2023 17:09:29 GMT -5
I don't have a dog in this fight, but this response is typical of all that is wrong with the 2x2 system. Why should anyone need an above top-secret security clearance to see a workers list? Your thinking is flawed. I am no longer a 2x2 (left years ago) . I simply chose to send the list by personal message. Top-secret security clearance never even crossed my mind. The post referenced by guest8
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Post by Admin on Dec 21, 2023 17:15:24 GMT -5
Will send it to you in a personal message. Intrigued. I may of missed something. How come an "ex, not professing from yrs ago" ( posts removed) has a current 2023 conv workers speaking list? Never had one in my life! Well-connected, is I think how the saying goes!
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