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Post by help on Nov 10, 2023 22:48:46 GMT -5
"Be a free thinker and don't accept everything you read as the truth. Be critical and evaluate what you believe in". With this quote Aristotle is telling us to have an open mind and be a free thinker. Don't automatically believe what others tell you.
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Post by maryhig on Nov 11, 2023 2:40:14 GMT -5
"Be a free thinker and don't accept everything you read as the truth. Be critical and evaluate what you believe in". With this quote Aristotle is telling us to have an open mind and be a free thinker. Don't automatically believe what others tell you. I don't need to believe what others tell me, God has opened my eyes and I see clearly. I know that God is there. I've got no doubt whatsoever.
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Post by mrdobalina on Nov 11, 2023 4:34:56 GMT -5
"Be a free thinker and don't accept everything you read as the truth. Be critical and evaluate what you believe in". With this quote Aristotle is telling us to have an open mind and be a free thinker. Don't automatically believe what others tell you. I don't need to believe what others tell me, God has opened my eyes and I see clearly. I know that God is there. I've got no doubt whatsoever. What would you do if he told you to kill one of your children? He's done it before.
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help
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Post by help on Nov 11, 2023 5:13:28 GMT -5
Free thinkers are sceptical or reject hypothetical, human made, religious belief systems. They use critical thinking skills to arrive at a conclusion. They use the power of their own mind, not controlled in their thinking by religious dogma.
Critical thinking skills are more important than IQ? To lead a good life, we need to make good decisions, manage our health and financial affairs, invest in appropriate relationships, helping others and avoid serious lapses like falling for controlling human made belief systems.
Free thinkers try to make the World a better place to live in, for everybody. Their only interest is the here and now. Not distracted spending their time contemplating about the unknown. They need evidence to validate truth. They are not selfish, prefer to use more kindness and less judgement of others.
I am grateful that there are a number of good free thinkers on TMB. They make the board a better place. Not caught up in religious argument that will never be resolved. Their posts are a breath of fresh air, away from all the useless banter.
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Post by maryhig on Nov 11, 2023 13:59:48 GMT -5
I don't need to believe what others tell me, God has opened my eyes and I see clearly. I know that God is there. I've got no doubt whatsoever. What would you do if he told you to kill one of your children? He's done it before. But Abraham didn't kill his child!
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Post by maryhig on Nov 11, 2023 14:01:06 GMT -5
Free thinkers are sceptical or reject hypothetical, human made, religious belief systems. They use critical thinking skills to arrive at a conclusion. They use the power of their own mind, not controlled in their thinking by religious dogma. Critical thinking skills are more important than IQ? To lead a good life, we need to make good decisions, manage our health and financial affairs, invest in appropriate relationships, helping others and avoid serious lapses like falling for controlling human made belief systems. Free thinkers try to make the World a better place to live in, for everybody. Their only interest is the here and now. Not distracted spending their time contemplating about the unknown. They need evidence to validate truth. They are not selfish, prefer to use more kindness and less judgement of others. I am grateful that there are a number of good free thinkers on TMB. They make the board a better place. Not caught up in religious argument that will never be resolved. Their posts are a breath of fresh air, away from all the useless banter. Ok I get the hint 😊👍
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Post by maryhig on Nov 11, 2023 14:02:54 GMT -5
Mind you if I hadn't of engaged in this thread with my "religious argument" it would be fairly quiet 😄
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Post by mrdobalina on Nov 11, 2023 14:39:11 GMT -5
What would you do if he told you to kill one of your children? He's done it before. But Abraham didn't kill his child! But God killed his own child.
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Post by maryhig on Nov 11, 2023 16:37:19 GMT -5
But Abraham didn't kill his child! But God killed his own child. Well, I'm sure you know I disagree with that,and here's one of the reasons why. 1 Thessalonians 2:14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: 2:15 WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; AND THEY PLEASED NOT GOD, and are contrary to all men: The Romans killed Jesus, under the influence of the leaders of the Jews. Caps for emphasis only😊
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Post by mrdobalina on Nov 14, 2023 0:04:59 GMT -5
But God killed his own child. Well, I'm sure you know I disagree with that,and here's one of the reasons why. 1 Thessalonians 2:14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: 2:15 WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; AND THEY PLEASED NOT GOD, and are contrary to all men: The Romans killed Jesus, under the influence of the leaders of the Jews. Caps for emphasis only😊 When you quote scripture in order to make a point, we are no longer having a discussion, you are now preaching to me, which does not interest me at all.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 14, 2023 0:18:32 GMT -5
But God killed his own child. Well, I'm sure you know I disagree with that,and here's one of the reasons why. 1 Thessalonians 2:14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: 2:15 WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; AND THEY PLEASED NOT GOD, and are contrary to all men: The Romans killed Jesus, under the influence of the leaders of the Jews. Caps for emphasis only😊 You seem to conveniently forget that it was foretold in the old testament. Your god is impotent to do anything useful at all.
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Post by maryhig on Nov 14, 2023 1:21:43 GMT -5
Well, I'm sure you know I disagree with that,and here's one of the reasons why. 1 Thessalonians 2:14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: 2:15 WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; AND THEY PLEASED NOT GOD, and are contrary to all men: The Romans killed Jesus, under the influence of the leaders of the Jews. Caps for emphasis only😊 When you quote scripture in order to make a point, we are no longer having a discussion, you are now preaching to me, which does not interest me at all. But you're using scripture when you say God killed his own child. As that's where you got it from. If you don't want me to use scripture when I believe it's the truth, why do you use it to prove your point? Especially as you don't even believe in what's written in the Bible? If you don't want me to use scripture, then maybe you shouldn't use it yourself....don't you think?
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Post by maryhig on Nov 14, 2023 1:26:19 GMT -5
Well, I'm sure you know I disagree with that,and here's one of the reasons why. 1 Thessalonians 2:14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: 2:15 WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; AND THEY PLEASED NOT GOD, and are contrary to all men: The Romans killed Jesus, under the influence of the leaders of the Jews. Caps for emphasis only😊 You seem to conveniently forget that it was foretold in the old testament. Your god is impotent to do anything useful at all. No it was told in the old testament what they would do to Jesus when he came here. Jesus knew what he was going to go through. But he was willing to go through whatever he had to, to bring us the truth. And he was murdered for it.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 14, 2023 9:42:27 GMT -5
You seem to conveniently forget that it was foretold in the old testament. Your god is impotent to do anything useful at all. No it was told in the old testament what they would do to Jesus when he came here. Jesus knew what he was going to go through. But he was willing to go through whatever he had to, to bring us the truth. And he was murdered for it. His death was foretold in several places such as Isaiah 53 and Psalms 22. This is scripture inspired by your god. His murder was foretold by your god yet you want to blame others for this. Your god set your Jesus up to be killed. Nice god huh!. It is no surprise that there is so much killing in the name of your god.
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Post by maryhig on Nov 14, 2023 10:22:15 GMT -5
No it was told in the old testament what they would do to Jesus when he came here. Jesus knew what he was going to go through. But he was willing to go through whatever he had to, to bring us the truth. And he was murdered for it. His death was foretold in several places such as Isaiah 53 and Psalms 22. This is scripture inspired by your god. His murder was foretold by your god yet you want to blame others for this. Your god set your Jesus up to be killed. Nice god huh!. It is no surprise that there is so much killing in the name of your god. Yes foretold what they would do to Jesus, not that God sent him to be murdered. I'm glad you're reading the Bible that's good. 😊 And yes I do blame others and not God, because it clearly says in the Bible, which I believe in, that God sent Jesus to bare witness to the truth, and it says he was murdered because of envy. And Jesus himself says that those who did it, were doing the will of their father the devil, not God. It's the wickedness that we let into our own hearts that causes sin, you can't blame God for that, that's our own doing.
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Post by xna on Nov 14, 2023 10:24:59 GMT -5
You seem to conveniently forget that it was foretold in the old testament. Your god is impotent to do anything useful at all. No it was told in the old testament what they would do to Jesus when he came here. Jesus knew what he was going to go through. But he was willing to go through whatever he had to, to bring us the truth. And he was murdered for it. Judaism underwent a transformation from a polytheistic belief system to monotheism, and contemporary Jewish theology firmly emphasizes the singular and indivisible nature of God. The concept of God having a son is not a part of modern Jewish beliefs, as Jews today do not adhere to the idea that God has a son. Similarly, Islamic beliefs also emphasize the oneness of God, rejecting any notion of God having offspring as incompatible with their fundamental principles. In contrast, the New Testament written during a time influenced by the Roman Caesars, the Caesars were gods and introduced the idea that the son of a Caesar could be deified, a concept determined through voting in the Roman Senate. This cultural influence added the notion of the Son of God in the New Testament narrative, aligning with the Roman tradition of deifying rulers' offspring.
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Post by maryhig on Nov 14, 2023 10:29:38 GMT -5
No it was told in the old testament what they would do to Jesus when he came here. Jesus knew what he was going to go through. But he was willing to go through whatever he had to, to bring us the truth. And he was murdered for it. Judaism underwent a transformation from a polytheistic belief system to monotheism, and contemporary Jewish theology firmly emphasizes the singular and indivisible nature of God. The concept of God having a son is not a part of modern Jewish beliefs, as Jews today do not adhere to the idea that God has a son. Similarly, Islamic beliefs also emphasize the oneness of God, rejecting any notion of God having offspring as incompatible with their fundamental principles. In contrast, the New Testament written during a time influenced by the Roman Caesars, the Caesars introduced the idea that the son of a Caesar could be deified, a concept determined through voting in the Roman Senate. This cultural influence added the notion of the Son of God in the New Testament narrative, aligning with the Roman tradition of deifying rulers' offspring. Oh right, but I know that God has what he wants in the Bible, and he gives us the mind to understand it when we live by his will. And how do the Jews not believe that God has a son? They see themselves as his sons because they call him their father? If they don't see themselves as sons of God, why do they call him father?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 14, 2023 12:00:21 GMT -5
His death was foretold in several places such as Isaiah 53 and Psalms 22. This is scripture inspired by your god. His murder was foretold by your god yet you want to blame others for this. Your god set your Jesus up to be killed. Nice god huh!. It is no surprise that there is so much killing in the name of your god. Yes foretold what they would do to Jesus, not that God sent him to be murdered. I'm glad you're reading the Bible that's good. 😊 And yes I do blame others and not God, because it clearly says in the Bible, which I believe in, that God sent Jesus to bare witness to the truth, and it says he was murdered because of envy. And Jesus himself says that those who did it, were doing the will of their father the devil, not God. It's the wickedness that we let into our own hearts that causes sin, you can't blame God for that, that's our own doing. I only read a buybull (online) when I need to recall a verse or two of your mythology. The rest of the time I prefer to read non-fiction.
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Post by xna on Nov 14, 2023 12:51:18 GMT -5
And how do the Jews not believe that God has a son? They see themselves as his sons because they call him their father? If they don't see themselves as sons of God, why do they call him father? If the video didn't answer it completely then you probably would need to ask a Rabbi or do some research. My understanding is they see only one god, with no sons. The trinity concept is rejected by this verse; Deuteronomy 6:4: "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one."The internet says: Q. Why do jews call god father?A. The use of the term "Father" to refer to God in Judaism is not as common or standardized as it is in Christianity, where the concept of God as Father is central to the understanding of the Holy Trinity. In Judaism, the use of familial terms to describe God is more nuanced and varies across different theological traditions and denominations.-----------------------------------more details here www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13912-son-of-god"Yet the term by no means carries the idea of physical descent from, and essential unity with, God the Father. The Hebrew idiom conveys nothing further than a simple expression of godlikeness"
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