tulip2
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Post by tulip2 on Nov 9, 2023 4:44:21 GMT -5
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Post by Pragmatic on Nov 9, 2023 14:11:52 GMT -5
I think this may be one of the reasons why it has been so careful to not be a registered organisation, particularly in litigious USA, so it can avoid being sued.
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help
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Post by help on Nov 9, 2023 16:23:08 GMT -5
The Christian Conventions Victoria Trust, was deliberately wound up to stop CSA victims making a claim. The Overseers responsible for taking that action have since married, no longer running the show. You have to wonder how they can reconcile such an action being moral or decent. The big question is where did the substantial funds go. We know it was substantial because previous Overseer Evan Jones said in a sworn Police statement, the group was "Well Off". Some of our hard earned went into that Trust, but we never got a refund when it was wound up. A further insult was that none of those funds were put into the Redress Scheme set up by the Australian Government for CSA victims. Other Churches did the right thing and chipped in, especially the Catholic Church. Those responsible for this neglect should hang their heads in shame. www.workersect.org/2x205rc.html
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Post by bfvernon on Nov 9, 2023 18:29:25 GMT -5
Just sent this email to conv.feedback@gmail.com
Hi
I am an ex member of your group. Recently I read some information about your conventions on the Wings for Truth website. It states that there are coordinating Workers for each convention in Australia and New Zealand. The names of those people are listed for each convention.
Your group has always maintained that you are not an organization, and that no one is "in charge". However, with the publication of this document I would suggest that you have legally exposed yourselves to be forced to take responsibility for any improper, illegal, unethical or immoral behaviour that occurs on a convention ground.
I will forward the above document to the legal redress scheme in both NSW and Victoria. Both of those organizations are waiting for you to sign up to their schemes.
I am also curious about how you manage the matter of insurance for conventions. I certainly hope that none of the owners of any of the grounds are so foolish as to not have public liability insurance for the preparations and the convention itself. Since most of the properties are rural and agricultural in nature, it would be reasonable to assume that they all store dangerous chemicals and house large pieces of machinery. There is great potential for accidents of many kinds. Have you ever been required to conduct risk assessments to ensure the safety of attendees? Legally, each of those properties could be visited by Occupational Health and Safety Officers at any time to ascertain that safe processes are in place. I hope that this information is of some help to you.
Blessings Barbara Kemp
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help
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Post by help on Nov 9, 2023 21:46:16 GMT -5
Barbara you make some very valid points in the above post. You and I both know that for far too long 2x2 management, or lack of it, have been a law unto themselves. It is time that they were made more compliant to the law that every other organisation has to abide by. Thanks for sending that information to the Legal Redress Scheme in NSW and Victoria. It is a disgrace that the 2x2's did not take part in it, with the defence "We are not an organisation". That myth was blown out in the Jerome Frandle case. JF visited Victoria for Conventions just before the Christian Conventions Victoria Trust was wound up. A bit of a coincidence it would seem.
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tulip2
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Post by tulip2 on Nov 10, 2023 16:53:06 GMT -5
The Catholic Church said an abuse victim deserved $250,000. A jury gave him $3 million10 November 2023 www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/the-catholic-church-said-an-abuse-victim-deserved-250-000-a-jury-gave-him-3-million-20231110-p5eizq.htmlA Victorian jury has delivered a stinging rebuke to the Catholic Church, awarding $3.3 million to the victim of a notorious paedophile after the church argued compensation should be only $250,000. The Supreme Court case is the first time a civil trial against the Catholic Church has been tested before jurors. Once the order is enforced by Justice Stephen O’Meara and interest payments are included, the compensation figure is expected to be the largest for a victim of clerical abuse in Australia. Kiss also spent seven years in Ararat prison after pleading guilty in the County Court of Victoria to stealing $1.8 million by siphoning money from five legitimate charities into his fictitious charity, the Vanuatu Development Project, of which he was the sole signatory and beneficiary of its bank account. Before Kiss’ dramatic fall from grace, socialite Sheila Scotter said he was “an utterly charming man” while billionaire and arts patron Jeanne Pratt once described him as “like Jesus Christ ... He is not priestly, he is saintly”.
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