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Post by Admin on Oct 27, 2023 19:30:13 GMT -5
Ray Hoffman Response to Victim
From: Raymond Hoffmann <rayjh[Redacted]> Date: October 20, 2023 at 4:13:35 PM EDT To: [Recipient]
Subject: Re:[Perp]
Hello, [Recipient]. Just a note to let you know that it did work out for Barry to talk with [Perp].
Barry says that it looked like [Perp] may be just one step from an Alzheimer unit. He wasn’t even sure if [Perp] remembered the [Recipient] name… maybe vaguely. When Barry read to him a portion of your email pertaining to him, he had no memory of that. Barry asked him if he was ever accused of anything along that line. He said no. It is possible that [Perp] buried it all just like a victim would.
With [Perp’s] poor memory, it seems futile to pursue anything more with him. But I remember that Charlie Hughes was quoted, maybe often, as saying nobody gets away with anything before the Lord. One of the first things the nuns taught me (I was about 6 yrs old) was that God sees you everywhere. When I went home that day, I decided to go upstairs and into the closet of my bedroom and shut the door. It was pitch black. I couldn’t see my little hand in front of me. And I said to myself, if I can’t see my hand, God can’t see me here either. And that’s when God spoke to me, and I knew it was Him. I’m glad that impression was made and remained on my young heart. When I went to Gospel meetings, when I was 21, God spoke very clearly to me, and I knew it was the same voice that spoke to me in the closet when I was a little boy.
I feel very sorry that you had to go through all of this, [Recipient]. Of course, you would know that you were 100% innocent, and we know it too.
You mentioned in your email to me what Joe Crane said….to be authentic, mean what you say, and say what you mean. I was being honest and authentic when I mentioned to you in my email that my memories of you were that you were a very kind and caring sister. And that’s how I do and will remember you. And please don’t try to change those memories.
Take care. Ray
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Post by passingby on Oct 28, 2023 14:00:56 GMT -5
Ray Hoffman Response to VictimFrom: Raymond Hoffmann <rayjh[Redacted]> Date: October 20, 2023 at 4:13:35 PM EDT To: [Recipient] Subject: Re:[Perp] Hello, [Recipient]. Just a note to let you know that it did work out for Barry to talk with [Perp]. Barry says that it looked like [Perp] may be just one step from an Alzheimer unit. He wasn’t even sure if [Perp] remembered the [Recipient] name… maybe vaguely. When Barry read to him a portion of your email pertaining to him, he had no memory of that. Barry asked him if he was ever accused of anything along that line. He said no. It is possible that [Perp] buried it all just like a victim would. With [Perp’s] poor memory, it seems futile to pursue anything more with him. But I remember that Charlie Hughes was quoted, maybe often, as saying nobody gets away with anything before the Lord. One of the first things the nuns taught me (I was about 6 yrs old) was that God sees you everywhere. When I went home that day, I decided to go upstairs and into the closet of my bedroom and shut the door. It was pitch black. I couldn’t see my little hand in front of me. And I said to myself, if I can’t see my hand, God can’t see me here either. And that’s when God spoke to me, and I knew it was Him. I’m glad that impression was made and remained on my young heart. When I went to Gospel meetings, when I was 21, God spoke very clearly to me, and I knew it was the same voice that spoke to me in the closet when I was a little boy. I feel very sorry that you had to go through all of this, [Recipient]. Of course, you would know that you were 100% innocent, and we know it too. You mentioned in your email to me what Joe Crane said….to be authentic, mean what you say, and say what you mean. I was being honest and authentic when I mentioned to you in my email that my memories of you were that you were a very kind and caring sister. And that’s how I do and will remember you. And please don’t try to change those memories. Take care. Ray Thank you Ray, Admin, you took the time to post this and do all the redacting etc. Do the kindness of, and take the time, to pass on my comment please
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Post by snow on Oct 29, 2023 16:42:08 GMT -5
Ray Hoffman Response to VictimFrom: Raymond Hoffmann <rayjh[Redacted]> Date: October 20, 2023 at 4:13:35 PM EDT To: [Recipient] Subject: Re:[Perp] Hello, [Recipient]. Just a note to let you know that it did work out for Barry to talk with [Perp]. Barry says that it looked like [Perp] may be just one step from an Alzheimer unit. He wasn’t even sure if [Perp] remembered the [Recipient] name… maybe vaguely. When Barry read to him a portion of your email pertaining to him, he had no memory of that. Barry asked him if he was ever accused of anything along that line. He said no. It is possible that [Perp] buried it all just like a victim would. With [Perp’s] poor memory, it seems futile to pursue anything more with him. But I remember that Charlie Hughes was quoted, maybe often, as saying nobody gets away with anything before the Lord. One of the first things the nuns taught me (I was about 6 yrs old) was that God sees you everywhere. When I went home that day, I decided to go upstairs and into the closet of my bedroom and shut the door. It was pitch black. I couldn’t see my little hand in front of me. And I said to myself, if I can’t see my hand, God can’t see me here either. And that’s when God spoke to me, and I knew it was Him. I’m glad that impression was made and remained on my young heart. When I went to Gospel meetings, when I was 21, God spoke very clearly to me, and I knew it was the same voice that spoke to me in the closet when I was a little boy. I feel very sorry that you had to go through all of this, [Recipient]. Of course, you would know that you were 100% innocent, and we know it too. You mentioned in your email to me what Joe Crane said….to be authentic, mean what you say, and say what you mean. I was being honest and authentic when I mentioned to you in my email that my memories of you were that you were a very kind and caring sister. And that’s how I do and will remember you. And please don’t try to change those memories. Take care. Ray What exactly does 'And please don't try to change those memories.' mean? Right now if you don't continue to pursue this I will remember you as kind and caring sister, but...? Knowing how he referred to a person in the townhall, who made allegations against him, as mentally unstable, I find myself skeptical that he will ever really do anything for survivors other than hope there is a god that will punish them so he doesn't have to.
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Post by Dan on Oct 29, 2023 19:11:14 GMT -5
Ray Hoffman Response to VictimFrom: Raymond Hoffmann <rayjh[Redacted]> Date: October 20, 2023 at 4:13:35 PM EDT To: [Recipient] Subject: Re:[Perp] Hello, [Recipient]. Just a note to let you know that it did work out for Barry to talk with [Perp]. Barry says that it looked like [Perp] may be just one step from an Alzheimer unit. He wasn’t even sure if [Perp] remembered the [Recipient] name… maybe vaguely. When Barry read to him a portion of your email pertaining to him, he had no memory of that. Barry asked him if he was ever accused of anything along that line. He said no. It is possible that [Perp] buried it all just like a victim would. With [Perp’s] poor memory, it seems futile to pursue anything more with him. But I remember that Charlie Hughes was quoted, maybe often, as saying nobody gets away with anything before the Lord. One of the first things the nuns taught me (I was about 6 yrs old) was that God sees you everywhere. When I went home that day, I decided to go upstairs and into the closet of my bedroom and shut the door. It was pitch black. I couldn’t see my little hand in front of me. And I said to myself, if I can’t see my hand, God can’t see me here either. And that’s when God spoke to me, and I knew it was Him. I’m glad that impression was made and remained on my young heart. When I went to Gospel meetings, when I was 21, God spoke very clearly to me, and I knew it was the same voice that spoke to me in the closet when I was a little boy. I feel very sorry that you had to go through all of this, [Recipient]. Of course, you would know that you were 100% innocent, and we know it too. You mentioned in your email to me what Joe Crane said….to be authentic, mean what you say, and say what you mean. I was being honest and authentic when I mentioned to you in my email that my memories of you were that you were a very kind and caring sister. And that’s how I do and will remember you. And please don’t try to change those memories. Take care. Ray What exactly does 'And please don't try to change those memories.' mean? Right now if you don't continue to pursue this I will remember you as kind and caring sister, but...? Knowing how he referred to a person in the townhall, who made allegations against him, as mentally unstable, I find myself skeptical that he will ever really do anything for survivors other than hope there is a god that will punish them so he doesn't have to.
Reverse psychology, switch the guilt onto a victim by questioning their character. Translation; Keep being the nice person I remember and drop it.. jmo
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Post by fixit on Oct 29, 2023 20:14:15 GMT -5
What exactly does 'And please don't try to change those memories.' mean? Right now if you don't continue to pursue this I will remember you as kind and caring sister, but...? Knowing how he referred to a person in the townhall, who made allegations against him, as mentally unstable, I find myself skeptical that he will ever really do anything for survivors other than hope there is a god that will punish them so he doesn't have to. Reverse psychology, switch the guilt onto a victim by questioning their character. Translation; Keep being the nice person I remember and drop it.. jmo Very kind and caring sisters don't rock the boat or make their superiors feel uncomfortable.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Oct 29, 2023 21:19:59 GMT -5
Reverse psychology, switch the guilt onto a victim by questioning their character. Translation; Keep being the nice person I remember and drop it.. jmo Very kind and caring sisters don't rock the boat or make their superiors feel uncomfortable. That's right. That's how nice people act. Nice does not necessarily equate with good.
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Post by guest8 on Oct 30, 2023 0:04:03 GMT -5
" Nice does not always equate with good."
Yes I agree Curly, but that can 'sometimes' apply to 'ex's' too.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 30, 2023 0:45:23 GMT -5
Ray Hoffman Response to VictimFrom: Raymond Hoffmann <rayjh[Redacted]> Date: October 20, 2023 at 4:13:35 PM EDT To: [Recipient] Subject: Re:[Perp] Hello, [Recipient]. Just a note to let you know that it did work out for Barry to talk with [Perp]. Barry says that it looked like [Perp] may be just one step from an Alzheimer unit. He wasn’t even sure if [Perp] remembered the [Recipient] name… maybe vaguely. When Barry read to him a portion of your email pertaining to him, he had no memory of that. Barry asked him if he was ever accused of anything along that line. He said no. It is possible that [Perp] buried it all just like a victim would. With [Perp’s] poor memory, it seems futile to pursue anything more with him. But I remember that Charlie Hughes was quoted, maybe often, as saying nobody gets away with anything before the Lord. One of the first things the nuns taught me (I was about 6 yrs old) was that God sees you everywhere. When I went home that day, I decided to go upstairs and into the closet of my bedroom and shut the door. It was pitch black. I couldn’t see my little hand in front of me. And I said to myself, if I can’t see my hand, God can’t see me here either. And that’s when God spoke to me, and I knew it was Him. I’m glad that impression was made and remained on my young heart. When I went to Gospel meetings, when I was 21, God spoke very clearly to me, and I knew it was the same voice that spoke to me in the closet when I was a little boy. I feel very sorry that you had to go through all of this, [Recipient]. Of course, you would know that you were 100% innocent, and we know it too. You mentioned in your email to me what Joe Crane said….to be authentic, mean what you say, and say what you mean. I was being honest and authentic when I mentioned to you in my email that my memories of you were that you were a very kind and caring sister. And that’s how I do and will remember you. And please don’t try to change those memories. Take care. Ray What exactly does 'And please don't try to change those memories.' mean? Right now if you don't continue to pursue this I will remember you as kind and caring sister, but...? Knowing how he referred to a person in the townhall, who made allegations against him, as mentally unstable, I find myself skeptical that he will ever really do anything for survivors other than hope there is a god that will punish them so he doesn't have to. And it's a threat -- not really different from saying, "If you tell, I have consequences for you."
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Post by snow on Oct 31, 2023 15:54:06 GMT -5
What exactly does 'And please don't try to change those memories.' mean? Right now if you don't continue to pursue this I will remember you as kind and caring sister, but...? Knowing how he referred to a person in the townhall, who made allegations against him, as mentally unstable, I find myself skeptical that he will ever really do anything for survivors other than hope there is a god that will punish them so he doesn't have to. Reverse psychology, switch the guilt onto a victim by questioning their character. Translation; Keep being the nice person I remember and drop it.. jmo Yes that's how I saw it too, just wanted to know if it was just me being paranoid. These days I'm highly skeptical of just about anything these guys say. It all sounds so condescending and blaming or even threatening to me.
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