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Post by kenco69 on Sept 7, 2023 16:42:47 GMT -5
I have spoken out on many occasions about nothing been done to remove Perpetrators totally from all meetings
There is an awful lot of care being shown to the Perpetrators and no support whatsoever to the victims
Craig isn't prepared to take a stand
John isn't prepared to take a stand
95% of the friends and workers aren't prepared to take a stand because some don't care and those that do are threatened
A question was asked on AFTT regarding NN
Why did he arrange for young men to come to Ireland from Peru
Was that all for their benefit or were there underlying reasons
How had NN behaved in Peru and other countries and why did he return to Ireland
So much yet to be exposed
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Post by themaninthemirror on Sept 8, 2023 14:10:33 GMT -5
I have spoken out on many occasions about nothing been done to remove Perpetrators totally from all meetings There is an awful lot of care being shown to the Perpetrators and no support whatsoever to the victims Craig isn't prepared to take a stand John isn't prepared to take a stand 95% of the friends and workers aren't prepared to take a stand because some don't care and those that do are threatened A question was asked on AFTT regarding NN Why did he arrange for young men to come to Ireland from Peru Was that all for their benefit or were there underlying reasons How had NN behaved in Peru and other countries and why did he return to Ireland So much yet to be exposed There are accusations against NN on the Wings for Truth website, under the post regarding Craig. These allegations have apparently been known since prior to convention and NN was at convention. |
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Post by shocked on Sept 8, 2023 20:16:30 GMT -5
I have spoken out on many occasions about nothing been done to remove Perpetrators totally from all meetings There is an awful lot of care being shown to the Perpetrators and no support whatsoever to the victims Craig isn't prepared to take a stand John isn't prepared to take a stand 95% of the friends and workers aren't prepared to take a stand because some don't care and those that do are threatened A question was asked on AFTT regarding NN Why did he arrange for young men to come to Ireland from Peru Was that all for their benefit or were there underlying reasons How had NN behaved in Peru and other countries and why did he return to Ireland So much yet to be exposed There are accusations against NN on the Wings for Truth website, under the post regarding Craig. These allegations have apparently been known since prior to convention and NN was at convention. |
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Post by shocked on Sept 8, 2023 20:20:37 GMT -5
Its mentioned that workers and the majority of friends wont stand up and put Abusers out of meetings They are living a lie how could you treat the poor abused people like this shameful
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Post by whatsup on Sept 9, 2023 9:44:59 GMT -5
What has Craig fulton done in the NN case it is long overdue to update the friends and assure them of zero tolerance of SA/CSA the overseers in other countries can do it
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Post by themaninthemirror on Sept 9, 2023 13:07:13 GMT -5
Its mentioned that workers and the majority of friends wont stand up and put Abusers out of meetings They are living a lie how could you treat the poor abused people like this shameful What have you done? |
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Post by themaninthemirror on Sept 9, 2023 13:07:38 GMT -5
What has Craig fulton done in the NN case it is long overdue to update the friends and assure them of zero tolerance of SA/CSA the overseers in other countries can do it I don't believe anything. |
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Post by fixit on Sept 10, 2023 5:20:18 GMT -5
Its mentioned that workers and the majority of friends wont stand up and put Abusers out of meetings They are living a lie how could you treat the poor abused people like this shameful A lot of the pushback is due to ignorance of the life-long suffering caused by CSA and the fact that perpetrator recidivism is dangerously high. Also, perpetrators are often loyal supporters of workers and meetings. |
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Post by snow on Sept 10, 2023 15:08:07 GMT -5
Its mentioned that workers and the majority of friends wont stand up and put Abusers out of meetings They are living a lie how could you treat the poor abused people like this shameful A lot of the pushback is due to ignorance of the life-long suffering caused by CSA and the fact that perpetrator recidivism is dangerously high. Also, perpetrators are often loyal supporters of workers and meetings. Some also believe that the sin of judging is worse than keeping their children safe from predators. Literally. I read a post that said just that and it blew me away. If you sinned to keep your children safe you lack faith. ugg |
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 10, 2023 16:47:24 GMT -5
Its mentioned that workers and the majority of friends wont stand up and put Abusers out of meetings They are living a lie how could you treat the poor abused people like this shameful A lot of the pushback is due to ignorance of the life-long suffering caused by CSA and the fact that perpetrator recidivism is dangerously high. Also, perpetrators are often loyal supporters of workers and meetings. Habitual criminals are notorious for kissing up to clerics. |
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Post by kenco69 on Sept 14, 2023 7:32:48 GMT -5
QUOTE taken From MAIN Page Yesterday
"yesterday at 5:29am jonathan said:
My name is Todd Price, I am a member of this fellowship and am a retired FBI Special Agent. For a significant part of my career, I investigated crimes against children, human trafficking, kidnapping, and other violent crimes. I am haunted to this day by memories and images of numerous terrible crime scenes, which are etched into my mind. It is my deepest hope that all victims would be believed and that some child sex offenders could truly find repentance. I write this, not because I think I have all the answers and I understand that there is more that can be added to the picture, but hope my experience and perspective will be helpful to the conversation about healing some horrible harm done to so many.
What does repentance look like in the life of a sexual offender? In the Gospel of Matthew, John the Baptist admonished the multitude, “Bring forth, therefore, fruits meet for repentance”(Mt 3:8) or in another translation, “Produce fruit in keeping with repentance”. Repentance is an inward act with clear outward signals. If an offender has truly repented inwardly, then they have felt the depth and severity of the wounds they have inflicted, which produces the following outward actions:
Offenders would realize that they must not be in any gathering with children, instead, the Offender would completely remove themself from meetings and would avoid, to the utmost degree, environments where children are present, even if encouraged or invited to return to meetings, the Offender would insist that they must not be present with children.
Offenders would understand the great harm they have done, and would, fully acknowledge the harm, both to the primary victim(as appropriate with assistance from a therapist or victim advocate, NOT reaching out to victims on their own), and to all others they have groomed, and/or those to whom they have lied to conceal the abuse.
Offenders would fully understand, and acknowledge the divisive effect of their presence in meetings, and would never seek to cause division in the fellowship.
Offenders would confess and present themselves to law enforcement officials for any, and all punishment that would be required under state and federal law.
Offenders would cooperate fully with all investigations and would fully disclose all victims to appropriate, responsible individuals trained to safeguard such sensitive information.
Offenders would completely understand that pedophilia is not curable and their condition will require them to seek lifelong therapy.
Offender will invite accountability regarding their criminal actions and sexual desires for the rest of their life.
I have never heard of any offender from within this fellowship community or outside, that has shown these qualities of complete repentance. I believe it could only be possible with God’s help, and would truly be a miracle.
Please understand also that tears and words do not, by themselves, show repentance. In Hebrews, Paul mentioned Esau, who was "rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears”. It is also important to understand a few things that do not constitute repentance and some that would clearly show that the place of repentance has not yet been found :
Tears
"I’m sorry"
"I’ll change" or "I’ll never do it again”
Any sort of minimization, deflection, or absolutely ANY type of victim blaming.
Attempting to maintain place or position as worker, elder, etc., with promises of changes to behavior or actions.
Pressuring the Ministry or friends to be allowed back in meetings."
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Post by rjkee on Sept 14, 2023 7:38:55 GMT -5
Earlier this week, I had a lengthy and robust face-to-face discussion with Craig Fulton, Irish Overseer, regarding CSA, SA and other matters of concern to me. At the end of the discussion, I was convinced that Craig is currently implementing a zero tolerance policy and will assist the authorities in their investigations. I hope I am not proved to be mistaken but I did get a very strong impression that he understands the devastating consequences of abuse, and will respond appropriately.
I suggest that Craig should be given some time to allow him to demonstrate his commitment to zero tolerance and cooperation with the authorities.
Robert Kee
Belfast
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Post by tom1955 on Sept 14, 2023 19:05:23 GMT -5
Earlier this week, I had a lengthy and robust face-to-face discussion with Craig Fulton, Irish Overseer, regarding CSA, SA and other matters of concern to me. At the end of the discussion, I was convinced that Craig is currently implementing a zero tolerance policy and will assist the authorities in their investigations. I hope I am not proved to be mistaken but I did get a very strong impression that he understands the devastating consequences of abuse, and will respond appropriately. I suggest that Craig should be given some time to allow him to demonstrate his commitment to zero tolerance and cooperation with the authorities. Robert Kee Belfast Thanks for this, Mr Kee, I have told some that the workers needed to go back to the Kee family set things right before they some all the rest that needs fixing. I really appreciate hearing this and make my heart glad in this otherwise dark time. |
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Post by whatsup on Sept 15, 2023 10:00:26 GMT -5
Thanks for your post Robert unfortunately I think you have been mistaken which would be unacceptable after all your family have been through. for some reason Craig will not advise of the situation re NN or HJ and Sunday will prove it re the bishop thats involved
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Post by LITTLEPADDY on Sept 22, 2023 17:11:04 GMT -5
Good to see Craig has met with RK and is now going to implement a Zero Tolerance Policy, which should always have been in place
Craig says he will also cooperate with the authorities
Will Craig insist that all Perpetrators (whose cases are not being brought completion, due to lost/outdated evidence or victims being told to accept apology included) will be banned from all meetings and gatherings
Will Craig go to the Police/Garda and inform them of any person or persons that he knows of that has admitted committing CSA/SA
What has happened since Robert and Craig met
There has now been enough time for Craig to have taken action
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Post by LITTLEPADDY on Oct 4, 2023 12:19:34 GMT -5
I read on Wings For Truth today that Norman Nash has been banned from meetings because of CSA while in Ecuador
Now that they have banned him when will they begin banning those who have committed offences in Ireland
Have any more been banned If Not Why?
There is so much to be done and I just wish Craig & John would hurry up and sort it
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Post by whatsup on Oct 4, 2023 13:29:02 GMT -5
At least something being done but why has it taken years to deal with NN case so much damage been done to the fellowship with inaction. Lets hope other cases in Ireland will quickly be dealt with
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Post by themaninthemirror on Oct 5, 2023 21:58:32 GMT -5
At least something being done but why has it taken years to deal with NN case so much damage been done to the fellowship with inaction. Lets hope other cases in Ireland will quickly be dealt with I understand the latest CSA allegations against NN came to light in 2023? The allegations that got him booted from the work were not CSA related. At that point he was also excommunicated - but over time made himself back in. Edgar Massey could give us an update, he seems to have befriended NN at some point. |
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Post by LITTLEPADDY on Oct 7, 2023 10:26:30 GMT -5
If I recall correctly it was said at the time that a senior brother worker was over in Ireland for conventions and was shocked to see that NN was now in the work in Ireland
Norman was sent home that year
My understanding is that the most well known offence alleged/is there any doubt by NN in Ireland is the Homosexual Assault on a far younger brother worker
A strange coincidence occurred
Very shortly after Noel Tanner died NN was allowed return to meetings
There has been enough evidence for years for him to be banned so what has come to light now is more nails in the coffin
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Post by kenco69 on Oct 18, 2023 16:29:30 GMT -5
It was with immense joy that I read here of Craig meeting with Robert and promising to deal with the disgusting hypocrisy that has been allowed to root in the way
It is good to see that NN has at long last been banned from meetings
I know Robert asked us to give Craig time but it would seem the only one banned has been NN. WHY
We have waited too long
Speak Out Craig
CSA/SA is Criminal and Perpetrators should have no access to any mission, meetings, or gatherings.
Ban them AND Say you've Banned them
You are the overseer Be the overseer
People are entitled to know what you stand for
Doing Nothing Is Shielding Perpetrators and endangering those you claim to care about
You know the media has run with the true stories of CSA/SA
Do you want Ireland to be the main story The Clock Is Ticking
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Post by sarah on Dec 22, 2023 9:48:21 GMT -5
Hi there,
I hope it's ok for me to post here. I am a journalist and am researching the group in Ireland. I am very keen to speak with current and former members to learn as much as I can. A lot of the CSA cases I have read about online are in USA, Canada and Australia. This particular message thread suggests this is a serious issue in Ireland also, though one that does not seem to be publicised. I wonder if there is anyone here who would be willing to speak with me? This can be anonymously of course. My email is sarah.mcglinchey@bbc.co.uk.
Many thanks for your time in considering my request.
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Post by snow on Dec 22, 2023 13:46:32 GMT -5
Hi there, I hope it's ok for me to post here. I am a journalist and am researching the group in Ireland. I am very keen to speak with current and former members to learn as much as I can. A lot of the CSA cases I have read about online are in USA, Canada and Australia. This particular message thread suggests this is a serious issue in Ireland also, though one that does not seem to be publicised. I wonder if there is anyone here who would be willing to speak with me? This can be anonymously of course. My email is sarah.mcglinchey@bbc.co.uk. Many thanks for your time in considering my request. I wish more media in Canada and the US would do what you want to do. I have been working trying to interest media in the story and get some exposure. Unfortunately after the Catholic and Lutheran churches trials and exposure about CSA it's become 'old news'. That is really hard to understand but it is what it is. |
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Post by uker260702 on Dec 28, 2023 7:04:55 GMT -5
Hi there, I hope it's ok for me to post here. I am a journalist and am researching the group in Ireland. I am very keen to speak with current and former members to learn as much as I can. A lot of the CSA cases I have read about online are in USA, Canada and Australia. This particular message thread suggests this is a serious issue in Ireland also, though one that does not seem to be publicised. I wonder if there is anyone here who would be willing to speak with me? This can be anonymously of course. My email is sarah.mcglinchey@bbc.co.uk. Many thanks for your time in considering my request. Sarah, although you are specifically looking for information about Ireland, it might be worth putting a request on the main TMB, to reach a wider audience, who may not always read the sub-boards. Another place to request information might be on the Facebook group AFTT m.facebook.com/groups/976456817047867/ , although that may be inactive til mid January. If you are needing general information on the group, there would be no better place than TTT www.tellingthetruth.info/home/Another site specifically regarding CSA would be wingsfortruth.info/I understand that Craig Fulton is the senior minister in Ireland. There are likely some on this board that could put you in touch with him, but I wouldn’t know how open he would be to discussing the group and CSA. Apologies if you are already aware of the above. |
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Post by sarah on Jan 2, 2024 6:38:04 GMT -5
Hi there, I hope it's ok for me to post here. I am a journalist and am researching the group in Ireland. I am very keen to speak with current and former members to learn as much as I can. A lot of the CSA cases I have read about online are in USA, Canada and Australia. This particular message thread suggests this is a serious issue in Ireland also, though one that does not seem to be publicised. I wonder if there is anyone here who would be willing to speak with me? This can be anonymously of course. My email is sarah.mcglinchey@bbc.co.uk. Many thanks for your time in considering my request. Sarah, although you are specifically looking for information about Ireland, it might be worth putting a request on the main TMB, to reach a wider audience, who may not always read the sub-boards. Another place to request information might be on the Facebook group AFTT m.facebook.com/groups/976456817047867/ , although that may be inactive til mid January. If you are needing general information on the group, there would be no better place than TTT www.tellingthetruth.info/home/Another site specifically regarding CSA would be wingsfortruth.info/I understand that Craig Fulton is the senior minister in Ireland. There are likely some on this board that could put you in touch with him, but I wouldn’t know how open he would be to discussing the group and CSA. Apologies if you are already aware of the above. Thank you so much for all of this advice. It's very much appreciated! |
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Post by LITTLEPADDY on Jan 2, 2024 13:35:53 GMT -5
Hi Sarah
I sent you a message with a few details but I know very little
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Post by fixit on Jan 28, 2024 16:35:03 GMT -5
Sarah, although you are specifically looking for information about Ireland, it might be worth putting a request on the main TMB, to reach a wider audience, who may not always read the sub-boards. Another place to request information might be on the Facebook group AFTT m.facebook.com/groups/976456817047867/ , although that may be inactive til mid January. If you are needing general information on the group, there would be no better place than TTT www.tellingthetruth.info/home/Another site specifically regarding CSA would be wingsfortruth.info/I understand that Craig Fulton is the senior minister in Ireland. There are likely some on this board that could put you in touch with him, but I wouldn’t know how open he would be to discussing the group and CSA. Apologies if you are already aware of the above. Thank you so much for all of this advice. It's very much appreciated! Craig Fulton & John Conley have put in place a child safeguarding policy. wingsfortruth.info/2024/01/28/irish-workers-release-child-safeguarding-policy/ |
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Post by kenco69 on Feb 17, 2024 11:30:07 GMT -5
Although nothing has officially been said, I have been lead to believe that 2 males, in Munster, Ireland, have been banned from fellowship meetings, but are free to attend Gospel meetings here children are present
If true, this is a start but far from a victory, as an outright banned is the only ban, that should be acceptable Craig - It has been done before in Ireland for CSA as well you know
It has also been said that 1 male in Leinster, Ireland, has been put out for CSA
Can anyone confirm these as facts
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Post by dogsdinner on Feb 18, 2024 5:40:20 GMT -5
Although nothing has officially been said, I have been lead to believe that 2 males, in Munster, Ireland, have been banned from fellowship meetings, but are free to attend Gospel meetings here children are present If true, this is a start but far from a victory, as an outright banned is the only ban, that should be acceptable Craig - It has been done before in Ireland for CSA as well you know It has also been said that 1 male in Leinster, Ireland, has been put out for CSA Can anyone confirm these as facts So true but if your waiting on Craig to confirm it you will have a long wait. |
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