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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 22, 2023 10:56:58 GMT -5
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Post by snow on Aug 25, 2023 13:19:57 GMT -5
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Post by snow on Aug 25, 2023 15:06:37 GMT -5
Cherie I just finished listening to your zoom. Fascinating for sure. I was particularly interested in hearing where the exclusivity originated for the group. The living witness theory that spiritual could only come from a spiritual witness and that was Irvine and his workers. Irvine had to be made a 'spiritual father' for that to actually work. Always interesting how religion can be made up to justify new ideas and rules. I always wondered why they felt they were the only group that was saved. Now I know. I just want to say thank you for all the hard work you put into putting this all together for us. I haven't been part of the group since 1973. That was the last time I was in a meeting. But it was very much a part of my upbringing and my mother professed for 78 years when she died. Interestingly, I was the last one, the youngest one to profess and now there is no one in either side of my family that profess anymore. My paternal grandfather professed when Willie Jaimison came to his area in around 1918. His wife had just died of the Spanish flu leaving behind 6 young children. My father was 4 and he was the second youngest. Willie and his companion (I don't know who that was) lived on the ranch with my grandfather and helped him out that winter while they did a mission in the nearest town to the ranch. I have often wondered if he knew the origins, that it was started by Irvine or not. Or had it already been started to be not talked about.
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Post by Persona non grata on Aug 26, 2023 2:20:10 GMT -5
It's a good article; apart from a few minor flaws, it uncovers the serious issues and gives some interesting insights. I think it deserves it's own thread ( Admin ?). Liles told the Daily Dot that over 1,000 people have identified 550 alleged perpetrators.
Liles said that, while the overwhelming majority of the people say they were targeted within their homes, roughly 20% purportedly occurred during conventions. Gives us some perspective. A former minister from the church, who was later convicted of sexually abusing a child, said that he is among the victims.
I wonder how many offenders were themselves victims of CSA? To what extent has covering up abuse only made it increase? People are increasingly turning to the growing grassroots initiatives led by former and current members of the Two by Twos, which is helping them feel seen and heard. There’s a growing consensus among them that the church has spent years sweeping systemic sexual abuse under the rug. There’s also a sense that the reckoning has only begun.
“I think it’s beyond our imagination,” Liles said, adding, “We’re at the tip of the iceberg right now. It’s just thick with abuse.” She paused.
“My big question is: How can there be this many pedophiles in a relatively small church?”
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 31, 2023 10:53:38 GMT -5
snow Thanks, Snow, for your kind comment re my presentation about my book. I condensed 630 pages into 1.5 hrs - loads more interesting tidbits in my book. amzn.to/40J2V2yMy author website: cheriekroppehrig.com/Two rumors who Willie J. professed thru: Cooney and Irvine. Went in the work a short time later--in 1905. There was no secret about who started the 2x2 sect at that time...that came later. Willie J. definitely knew who started it--rumors are he talked about it at times. More info about Jamiesons on TTT: tellingthetruth.info/workers_early/jamiesons.php
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Post by snow on Aug 31, 2023 14:33:54 GMT -5
snow Thanks, Snow, for your kind comment re my presentation about my book. I condensed 630 pages into 1.5 hrs - loads more interesting tidbits in my book. amzn.to/40J2V2yMy author website: cheriekroppehrig.com/Two rumors who Willie J. professed thru: Cooney and Irvine. Went in the work a short time later--in 1905. There was no secret about who started the 2x2 sect at that time...that came later. Willie J. definitely knew who started it--rumors are he talked about it at times. More info about Jamiesons on TTT: tellingthetruth.info/workers_early/jamiesons.php Thanks Cherie I will have a look at the link. He's the reason I was in the group.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2023 15:58:46 GMT -5
WJ stay in my grandparents home(Iowa) quite often, once for an illness that took a bit to get over. Mom was teased by him quite often also. They never mentioned him saying anything of Irvine that I can remember mom/grandpa-grandma/aunt saying. They were very fond of him along with George Walker.
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Post by help on Sept 5, 2023 22:50:46 GMT -5
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