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Post by snow on Jul 8, 2023 12:36:29 GMT -5
I know different jurisdictions will vary, but generally speaking, what legal right do the workers have over the convention grounds property? The ministry has provided the money to build and upgrade the property, but the property belongs to the land owner. Could this be a potential ugly mess? This is not the rule any more. In this day and age, when new convention facilities are opened, there appears to be a lot of legal maneuvering that goes on so that the (1) investment won't be wasted, and/or (2) the property will not fall into the hands of unworthy owners, and/or (3) WHO knows what else is needed to meet the workers' expectations. Yes, it is frequently an ugly mess. Do the workers actually put their investment claims on legal papers? If not, they likely do not have a legal claim and it belongs to the one who holds the title on the land. I think that anyone at the moment who is challenged by the workers would have an excellent case in court of why they have withdrawn the invitation of the workers and friends on their property. They are the ones that can be held responsible if something happens while they are 'guests'.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 8, 2023 13:02:04 GMT -5
This is not the rule any more. In this day and age, when new convention facilities are opened, there appears to be a lot of legal maneuvering that goes on so that the (1) investment won't be wasted, and/or (2) the property will not fall into the hands of unworthy owners, and/or (3) WHO knows what else is needed to meet the workers' expectations. Yes, it is frequently an ugly mess. Do the workers actually put their investment claims on legal papers? If not, they likely do not have a legal claim and it belongs to the one who holds the title on the land. I think that anyone at the moment who is challenged by the workers would have an excellent case in court of why they have withdrawn the invitation of the workers and friends on their property. They are the ones that can be held responsible if something happens while they are 'guests'. I think that's really the case for most convention properties now. But I know of one convention grounds that has the property "in trust" in some legal fashion for it to be used for convention. The "spiritual" technicality is that it has to be someone's private property, of course, but I never learned about how they went about making that plan. I know of another convention that was moved, and I did see a document signed by five workers and five others, that settled a deal to sell the property the convention was moving away from. Then, at the first convention in the new location, one of the five workers who signed the agreement stated from the platform that he had no idea how decisions were made to change a convention location. For a few who knew the rest of the story, that much have hit them like a brick in the face. I apologize for the expression, but how in god's name could he say such a thing in front of maybe 1000 people?
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Post by snow on Jul 8, 2023 14:11:47 GMT -5
Do the workers actually put their investment claims on legal papers? If not, they likely do not have a legal claim and it belongs to the one who holds the title on the land. I think that anyone at the moment who is challenged by the workers would have an excellent case in court of why they have withdrawn the invitation of the workers and friends on their property. They are the ones that can be held responsible if something happens while they are 'guests'. I think that's really the case for most convention properties now. But I know of one convention grounds that has the property "in trust" in some legal fashion for it to be used for convention. The "spiritual" technicality is that it has to be someone's private property, of course, but I never learned about how they went about making that plan. I know of another convention that was moved, and I did see a document signed by five workers and five others, that settled a deal to sell the property the convention was moving away from. Then, at the first convention in the new location, one of the five workers who signed the agreement stated from the platform that he had no idea how decisions were made to change a convention location. For a few who knew the rest of the story, that much have hit them like a brick in the face. I apologize for the expression, but how in god's name could he say such a thing in front of maybe 1000 people? Just the same mentality that has the workers saying that they don't preach in a building made with hands and then put funds toward building those buildings on the convention grounds. The hypocrisy is ironic. If they didn't strike out against denominations that do have a church building there would be nothing wrong with them building church structures on convention grounds. The other hypocritical aspect is their speaking against churches taking money in full sight of all the members while being slipped an envelope after meetings.
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Post by mountain on Jul 8, 2023 16:12:11 GMT -5
Likewise with myself. If I found out that either of my children had been abused, the offender would soon be unable to identify as a male. Amen, let me know if I can help in anyway... I have not forgotten that you have a gun, Wally. Thanks for the offer of collaboration. A bullet would be a swift way of castration.
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Post by margaret on Jul 10, 2023 12:15:52 GMT -5
This is what Bob and Stacy tried to do at their convention and it got moved to a hall. Wonder how the Western workers will handle the convention ground owners putting in their own conditions? They will be fine with it long as their conditions continue to support the overseership and the hierarchy system.
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Post by margaret on Jul 10, 2023 12:23:20 GMT -5
This is what Bob and Stacy tried to do at their convention and it got moved to a hall. Wonder how the Western workers will handle the convention ground owners putting in their own conditions? One of the big difference may be who the overseer in the Canadian Maritimes is. He has a long history of ruthless vengeance. You stand up to him and he will take you down and everyone associated with you that shows any sign of support for your stance. "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves." Matthew 7:15 Gee, I know of many overseers personally who have done the same thing even recently.
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Post by margaret on Jul 10, 2023 12:30:31 GMT -5
Interesting to note how many conventions that have taken place so far this year that are blindly going on as usual. No letters of conditions, still providing wifi for workers and dorms for guests. Wonder if the Duncan convention no wifi for guests policy also applies to workers staying on their property?😏🤥
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Post by turtledove on Jul 10, 2023 13:10:23 GMT -5
Interesting to note how many conventions that have taken place so far this year that are blindly going on as usual. No letters of conditions, still providing wifi for workers and dorms for guests. Wonder if the Duncan convention no wifi for guests policy also applies to workers staying on their property?😏🤥 Hello Margaret. I am curious what effect you think no wifi would have since the majority of perpetrators we have heard of were operating before wifi, or at least before it was widely used in homes. I know there have been abuse more recently, but the majority is from at least 20 years ago. Just to be clear, I am not minimizing the abuse. Just wondering if no wifi is a solution to curb abuse?
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Post by snow on Jul 10, 2023 14:21:59 GMT -5
Well conventions happening now in the Canadian Prairies seem to be going strong. Sources say they are well attended.
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Post by ForeverFree on Jul 10, 2023 19:51:29 GMT -5
This is what Bob and Stacy tried to do at their convention and it got moved to a hall. Wonder how the Western workers will handle the convention ground owners putting in their own conditions? They will be fine with it long as their conditions continue to support the overseership and the hierarchy system. As long as their conditions and their followers continue to support the overseership and the hierarchy system. There will be many followers that will attend without question; some out of great faith, some out of fear of the workers and other friends, some for the socializing and some for the stew.
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Post by getreal on Jul 10, 2023 21:54:05 GMT -5
They will be fine with it long as their conditions continue to support the overseership and the hierarchy system. As long as their conditions and their followers continue to support the overseership and the hierarchy system. There will be many followers that will attend without question; some out of great faith, some out of fear of the workers and other friends, some for the socializing and some for the stew. Horribly shallow then isn’t it, if it is as forever free states. I am saddened, and horrified, that life can go on as ‘normal’ in these areas, granted, strongholds. The prairies will be the last holdouts if indeed the church diminishes. I shake my head in disbelief. What will wake them up?
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Post by ForeverFree on Jul 11, 2023 21:24:08 GMT -5
As long as their conditions and their followers continue to support the overseership and the hierarchy system. There will be many followers that will attend without question; some out of great faith, some out of fear of the workers and other friends, some for the socializing and some for the stew. Horribly shallow then isn’t it, if it is as forever free states. I am saddened, and horrified, that life can go on as ‘normal’ in these areas, granted, strongholds. The prairies will be the last holdouts if indeed the church diminishes. I shake my head in disbelief. What will wake them up? "The prairies will be the last holdouts." Home of the Prophet Dale. High Priest of the Prairie. Bishop of Qu'Appelle (oops! That's actually a real title). The Gospel According to Dale is to keep secret The Acts of the "Apostles". We are impatiently waiting for The Epistle of Dale that will be quite a Revelation.
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 11, 2023 21:56:37 GMT -5
Well conventions happening now in the Canadian Prairies seem to be going strong. Sources say they are well attended. The prospect of a seeing a spectacle is probably boosting attendance. Convention is typically a snooze-fest. But everybody is probably excited to see if anybody angry says something crazy and rebellious in testimony and even to see what the workers say (or don't say).
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Post by margaret on Jul 12, 2023 8:30:59 GMT -5
Interesting to note how many conventions that have taken place so far this year that are blindly going on as usual. No letters of conditions, still providing wifi for workers and dorms for guests. Wonder if the Duncan convention no wifi for guests policy also applies to workers staying on their property?😏🤥 Hello Margaret. I am curious what effect you think no wifi would have since the majority of perpetrators we have heard of were operating before wifi, or at least before it was widely used in homes. I know there have been abuse more recently, but the majority is from at least 20 years ago. Just to be clear, I am not minimizing the abuse. Just wondering if no wifi is a solution to curb abuse? I don’t know what effect no wifi would have regarding perpetrators but I do wonder if the no wifi for guests on the Duncan convention property applies only to friends and workers get a free pass?
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Post by themaninthemirror on Jul 12, 2023 9:43:03 GMT -5
Well conventions happening now in the Canadian Prairies seem to be going strong. Sources say they are well attended. The prospect of a seeing a spectacle is probably boosting attendance. Convention is typically a snooze-fest. But everybody is probably excited to see if anybody angry says something crazy and rebellious in testimony and even to see what the workers say (or don't say). Are you suggesting it’s become a soap opera?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2023 9:45:21 GMT -5
The prospect of a seeing a spectacle is probably boosting attendance. Convention is typically a snooze-fest. But everybody is probably excited to see if anybody angry says something crazy and rebellious in testimony and even to see what the workers say (or don't say). Are you suggesting it’s become a soap opera? It could...
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 12, 2023 10:23:41 GMT -5
The prospect of a seeing a spectacle is probably boosting attendance. Convention is typically a snooze-fest. But everybody is probably excited to see if anybody angry says something crazy and rebellious in testimony and even to see what the workers say (or don't say). Are you suggesting it’s become a soap opera? Most likely, most conventions would not have anything happen. BUT some really dramatic confrontation COULD happen, and if it does, a professing person would not want to miss it because it will be talked about for decades. I'm reminded of the viral video from a worldly church
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Post by snow on Jul 12, 2023 13:51:25 GMT -5
The prospect of a seeing a spectacle is probably boosting attendance. Convention is typically a snooze-fest. But everybody is probably excited to see if anybody angry says something crazy and rebellious in testimony and even to see what the workers say (or don't say). Are you suggesting it’s become a soap opera? The Days of the Lives of the workers. It probably is an interesting change of pace when RCMP show up at conventions.
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