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Post by ForeverFree on Jun 30, 2023 20:20:34 GMT -5
Are there any current overseers that are NOT white and are NOT English first language speakers?
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Post by christiansburg on Jun 30, 2023 20:25:02 GMT -5
Are there any current overseers that are NOT white and are NOT English first language speakers? Pretty sure there are none in America.
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Post by jonathan on Jun 30, 2023 23:41:15 GMT -5
Jiwhan Yu in South Korea.
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Post by getreal on Jun 30, 2023 23:44:43 GMT -5
If you are wondering about diversity? No. I cringe inside when I think about the condescending attitudes and words regarding nonwhite people. Jews too. Super cringe worthy. It is disgusting.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 1, 2023 0:55:08 GMT -5
There has definitely been a trend to appoint white english speaking overseers into countries where english is not the first language, and the predominant skin colour is not white. I think of Vietnam, Sri Lanka, Haiti as examples in years gone by.
And hasn't there been a trend to try an impose "white man's culture" and 2*2 rules and regulations on these people with negative results?
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Post by getreal on Jul 1, 2023 1:02:41 GMT -5
Yup. All white in North America with very few exceptions. So all white going to overseas countries. Token non white occasionally on staff but not in power. It is what it is. Indisputable.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 1, 2023 9:17:47 GMT -5
Yup. All white in North America with very few exceptions. So all white going to overseas countries. Token non white occasionally on staff but not in power. It is what it is. Indisputable. Yep all white in Canada 🇨🇦
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Post by jonathan on Jul 1, 2023 9:28:04 GMT -5
There has definitely been a trend to appoint white english speaking overseers into countries where english is not the first language, and the predominant skin colour is not white. I think of Vietnam, Sri Lanka, Haiti as examples in years gone by.
And hasn't there been a trend to try an impose "white man's culture" and 2*2 rules and regulations on these people with negative results?
Viëtnam is a bright example of English-speaking foreign workers imposing their way and culture on local workers and friends. Things in Sri Lanka also did not pan out very well with John Blair's way of doing things. Seems the Aussie brothers there are cut from the same cloth. Romania hasn't done well either.
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 1, 2023 10:05:06 GMT -5
There has definitely been a trend to appoint white english speaking overseers into countries where english is not the first language, and the predominant skin colour is not white. I think of Vietnam, Sri Lanka, Haiti as examples in years gone by.
And hasn't there been a trend to try an impose "white man's culture" and 2*2 rules and regulations on these people with negative results?
Viëtnam is a bright example of English-speaking foreign workers imposing their way and culture on local workers and friends. Things in Sri Lanka also did not pan out very well with John Blair's way of doing things. Seems the Aussie brothers there are cut from the same cloth. Romania hasn't done well either. Vietnam, Sri Lanka and Romania don't 'cut the mustard' with you. You have lots to say about others, What are you 'doing well' and being a 'bright example' in? Apart from posting comments and passing judgement on TMB? How about for a change something about y our field, your Overseer and your fellow workers? Are they bright examples and 'doing well'? Do you actually have a field, overseer and fellow workers?
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Post by margaret on Jul 1, 2023 11:57:56 GMT -5
Viëtnam is a bright example of English-speaking foreign workers imposing their way and culture on local workers and friends. Things in Sri Lanka also did not pan out very well with John Blair's way of doing things. Seems the Aussie brothers there are cut from the same cloth. Romania hasn't done well either. Vietnam, Sri Lanka and Romania don't 'cut the mustard' with you. You have lots to say about others, What are you 'doing well' and being a 'bright example' in? Apart from posting comments and passing judgement on TMB? How about for a change something about y our field, your Overseer and your fellow workers? Are they bright examples and 'doing well'? Do you actually have a field, overseer and fellow workers? If you are the bright example that you are surreptitiously judging Jonathan not to be, why don’t you BE the example and tell everyone what you want them to tell you? Can you even SEE that you are judging those who you accuse of judging? Do you actually believe God approved of that? Do you as a worker believe in not rendering evil for evil? Does that only apply to others and not to you? If you actually are a worker, then you will be the example you expect in others. You are either not a worker or you are a hireling. You probably believe hireling only applies to preachers in other churches that get a wage. The level of unbelief and hardness of heart that Jesus spoke about is astounding when you see it today.
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 1, 2023 14:14:14 GMT -5
Vietnam, Sri Lanka and Romania don't 'cut the mustard' with you. You have lots to say about others, What are you 'doing well' and being a 'bright example' in? Apart from posting comments and passing judgement on TMB? How about for a change something about y our field, your Overseer and your fellow workers? Are they bright examples and 'doing well'? Do you actually have a field, overseer and fellow workers? If you are the bright example that you are surreptitiously judging Jonathan not to be, why don’t you BE the example and tell everyone what you want them to tell you? Can you even SEE that you are judging those who you accuse of judging? Do you actually believe God approved of that? Do you as a worker believe in not rendering evil for evil? Does that only apply to others and not to you? If you actually are a worker, then you will be the example you expect in others. You are either not a worker or you are a hireling. You probably believe hireling only applies to preachers in other churches that get a wage. The level of unbelief and hardness of heart that Jesus spoke about is astounding when you see it today. Welcome to the 'judging club' Margaret! Margaret judging international studies who is judging Jonathan who is judging in one broad sweep all in Vietnam, Sri Lanka and Romania. Margaret did it give you a nice feeling and cathartic release giving me a blast? Your nonsense is 'water off a duck's back'. I stand by what I ask of Jonathan: "Vietnam, Sri Lanka and Romania don't 'cut the mustard' with you. You have lots to say about others, What are you 'doing well' and being a 'bright example' in? Apart from posting comments and passing judgement on TMB?
How about for a change something about your field, your Overseer and your fellow workers? Are they bright examples and 'doing well'? Do you actually have a field, overseer and fellow workers?'
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 1, 2023 15:28:53 GMT -5
Nice of IS to be posting such stuff on a Sunday morning in his country. Nice preparation for providing spiritual food for the meeting he will be attending.
What a nasty piece of work, posting such stuff about another worker passing observation, to which he is perfectly entitled to do, and he does not have to answer to anyone for doing such.
And before he accuses my of hypocrisy for posting on a Sunday morning, in the hemisphere I am in, it is Saturday night.
Maybe Jonathan could ask, what is IS doing well and being a bright example in? I suspect he is too much of a gentleman.
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 1, 2023 16:01:40 GMT -5
Nice of IS to be posting such stuff on a Sunday morning in his country. Nice preparation for providing spiritual food for the meeting he will be attending. What a nasty piece of work, posting such stuff about another worker passing observation, to which he is perfectly entitled to do, and he does not have to answer to anyone for doing such. And before he accuses my of hypocrisy for posting on a Sunday morning, in the hemisphere I am in, it is Saturday night. Maybe Jonathan could ask, what is IS doing well and being a bright example in? I suspect he is too much of a gentleman. pragmatic, oh so you are trying to give me a guilt trip about Sunday morning in our country eh? It is also nice preparation for providing spiritual food for the meeting you might be attending. Or does that only apply to me? I'm a nasty piece of works am I? your nonsense also is 'water off a duck's back'. You point one finger at me, forgetting where the three fingers are pointing. Ignoring Margaret and pragmatic's distraction and attempt to defend Jonathan:
Jonathan"Vietnam, Sri Lanka and Romania don't 'cut the mustard' with you. You have lots to say about others, What are you 'doing well' and being a 'bright example' in? Apart from posting comments and passing judgement on TMB?
How about for a change something about your field, your Overseer and your fellow workers? Are they bright examples and 'doing well'? Do you actually have a field, overseer and fellow workers?'
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 1, 2023 16:02:35 GMT -5
Nice of IS to be posting such stuff on a Sunday morning in his country. Nice preparation for providing spiritual food for the meeting he will be attending. What a nasty piece of work, posting such stuff about another worker passing observation, to which he is perfectly entitled to do, and he does not have to answer to anyone for doing such. And before he accuses my of hypocrisy for posting on a Sunday morning, in the hemisphere I am in, it is Saturday night. Maybe Jonathan could ask, what is IS doing well and being a bright example in? I suspect he is too much of a gentleman. pragmatic, oh so you are trying to give me a guilt trip about Sunday morning in our country eh? Is it 'also nice preparation for providing spiritual food for the meeting' you might be attending. Or does that only apply to me? You've stated you get the same help going to other churches on Sunday morning, maybe you are going to one of them this morning for a change? Back for more learning under the tutelage of your local Anglican bishop? Or the new guy that sits in his seat now? I'm a nasty piece of works am I? your nonsense also is 'water off a duck's back'. Ignoring Margaret and pragmatic's distraction and attempt to defend Jonathan:
Jonathan"Vietnam, Sri Lanka and Romania don't 'cut the mustard' with you. You have lots to say about others, What are you 'doing well' and being a 'bright example' in? Apart from posting comments and passing judgement on TMB?
How about for a change something about your field, your Overseer and your fellow workers? Are they bright examples and 'doing well'? Do you actually have a field, overseer and fellow workers?'
p.s. Jonathan Here on TMB, you freely express your opinions about lots of situation, countries and workers. I will be continuing to ask questions regarding your posts. You (if in fact you are a worker) are as accountable as I am and any other worker is.
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Post by mrdobalina on Jul 1, 2023 16:30:20 GMT -5
Nice of IS to be posting such stuff on a Sunday morning in his country. Nice preparation for providing spiritual food for the meeting he will be attending. What a nasty piece of work, posting such stuff about another worker passing observation, to which he is perfectly entitled to do, and he does not have to answer to anyone for doing such. And before he accuses my of hypocrisy for posting on a Sunday morning, in the hemisphere I am in, it is Saturday night. Maybe Jonathan could ask, what is IS doing well and being a bright example in? I suspect he is too much of a gentleman. I'm a nasty piece of works am I? Yep, you're a nasty piece of work.
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 1, 2023 16:33:44 GMT -5
I'm a nasty piece of works am I? Yep, you're a nasty piece of work. Your confirmation is assuring, revealing more of yourself. Wouldn't have expected anything else from you! Your posts reveal your mindset. Amusing the way you guys all support each other when you get in a tight corner.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2023 18:02:08 GMT -5
Nice of IS to be posting such stuff on a Sunday morning in his country. Nice preparation for providing spiritual food for the meeting he will be attending. What a nasty piece of work, posting such stuff about another worker passing observation, to which he is perfectly entitled to do, and he does not have to answer to anyone for doing such. And before he accuses my of hypocrisy for posting on a Sunday morning, in the hemisphere I am in, it is Saturday night. Maybe Jonathan could ask, what is IS doing well and being a bright example in? I suspect he is too much of a gentleman. pragmatic, oh so you are trying to give me a guilt trip about Sunday morning in our country eh? It is also nice preparation for providing spiritual food for the meeting you might be attending. Or does that only apply to me? I'm a nasty piece of works am I? your nonsense also is 'water off a duck's back'. You point one finger at me, forgetting where the three fingers are pointing. Ignoring Margaret and pragmatic's distraction and attempt to defend Jonathan:
Jonathan"Vietnam, Sri Lanka and Romania don't 'cut the mustard' with you. You have lots to say about others, What are you 'doing well' and being a 'bright example' in? Apart from posting comments and passing judgement on TMB?
How about for a change something about your field, your Overseer and your fellow workers? Are they bright examples and 'doing well'? Do you actually have a field, overseer and fellow workers?'
I thought you were not gonna address any of the distracters and just talk to Johnathan?
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Post by janj on Jul 1, 2023 19:45:27 GMT -5
Are there any current overseers that are NOT white and are NOT English first language speakers? Indian Overseer?
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Post by Christopher J. on Jul 1, 2023 21:04:50 GMT -5
Wander Albino in Brazil, Alvaro Moreno in Central America, Medard Alognon in West Africa, Tsutomu Miyata in Japan, Prabhakar Madhira in India all come to mind.
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Post by margaret on Jul 1, 2023 21:42:14 GMT -5
If you are the bright example that you are surreptitiously judging Jonathan not to be, why don’t you BE the example and tell everyone what you want them to tell you? Can you even SEE that you are judging those who you accuse of judging? Do you actually believe God approved of that? Do you as a worker believe in not rendering evil for evil? Does that only apply to others and not to you? If you actually are a worker, then you will be the example you expect in others. You are either not a worker or you are a hireling. You probably believe hireling only applies to preachers in other churches that get a wage. The level of unbelief and hardness of heart that Jesus spoke about is astounding when you see it today. Welcome to the 'judging club' Margaret! Margaret judging international studies who is judging Jonathan who is judging in one broad sweep all in Vietnam, Sri Lanka and Romania. Margaret did it give you a nice feeling and cathartic release giving me a blast? Your nonsense is 'water off a duck's back'. I stand by what I ask of Jonathan: "Vietnam, Sri Lanka and Romania don't 'cut the mustard' with you. You have lots to say about others, What are you 'doing well' and being a 'bright example' in? Apart from posting comments and passing judgement on TMB?
How about for a change something about your field, your Overseer and your fellow workers? Are they bright examples and 'doing well'? Do you actually have a field, overseer and fellow workers?' Asking anyone to do something you’re not doing is hypocrisy. Is that ok for you to do? In what way are your posts an example of Jesus, assuming you are following Jesus.
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Post by margaret on Jul 1, 2023 22:01:20 GMT -5
Nice of IS to be posting such stuff on a Sunday morning in his country. Nice preparation for providing spiritual food for the meeting he will be attending. What a nasty piece of work, posting such stuff about another worker passing observation, to which he is perfectly entitled to do, and he does not have to answer to anyone for doing such. And before he accuses my of hypocrisy for posting on a Sunday morning, in the hemisphere I am in, it is Saturday night. Maybe Jonathan could ask, what is IS doing well and being a bright example in? I suspect he is too much of a gentleman. pragmatic, oh so you are trying to give me a guilt trip about Sunday morning in our country eh? It is also nice preparation for providing spiritual food for the meeting you might be attending. Or does that only apply to me? I'm a nasty piece of works am I? your nonsense also is 'water off a duck's back'. You point one finger at me, forgetting where the three fingers are pointing. Ignoring Margaret and pragmatic's distraction and attempt to defend Jonathan:
Jonathan"Vietnam, Sri Lanka and Romania don't 'cut the mustard' with you. You have lots to say about others, What are you 'doing well' and being a 'bright example' in? Apart from posting comments and passing judgement on TMB?
How about for a change something about your field, your Overseer and your fellow workers? Are they bright examples and 'doing well'? Do you actually have a field, overseer and fellow workers?'
You’re no worker.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2023 22:19:47 GMT -5
pragmatic, oh so you are trying to give me a guilt trip about Sunday morning in our country eh? It is also nice preparation for providing spiritual food for the meeting you might be attending. Or does that only apply to me? I'm a nasty piece of works am I? your nonsense also is 'water off a duck's back'. You point one finger at me, forgetting where the three fingers are pointing. Ignoring Margaret and pragmatic's distraction and attempt to defend Jonathan:
Jonathan"Vietnam, Sri Lanka and Romania don't 'cut the mustard' with you. You have lots to say about others, What are you 'doing well' and being a 'bright example' in? Apart from posting comments and passing judgement on TMB?
How about for a change something about your field, your Overseer and your fellow workers? Are they bright examples and 'doing well'? Do you actually have a field, overseer and fellow workers?'
You’re no worker. Unfortunately he is, downunders are a bit weird vs the average 2x2 anyway in my understanding...
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Post by guest8 on Jul 2, 2023 0:13:51 GMT -5
Unfortunately he is, downunders are a bit weird vs the average 2x2 anyway in my understanding... And that post is a disgusting generalisation from a proclaimed professing christian. I think of our NZ friend who was killed in a plane crash with a Canadian church member,; they were the best of friends and I understand enjoyed ' the same' fellowship together. Our NZ friends funeral included quite a bit of his Canadian friend, including a recording of him singing on his guitar 'Nearer still nearer'. It's 'individual personalities', that account for a lot of negativity. You need to show....by your attitude and spirit on TMB, that one could believe you are truly a good representative as a Washington (area has been mentioned on here) professing christian.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2023 1:47:21 GMT -5
Unfortunately he is, downunders are a bit weird vs the average 2x2 anyway in my understanding... And that post is a disgusting generalisation from a proclaimed professing christian. I think of our NZ friend who was killed in a plane crash with a Canadian church member,; they were the best of friends and I understand enjoyed ' the same' fellowship together. Our NZ friends funeral included quite a bit of his Canadian friend, including a recording of him singing on his guitar 'Nearer still nearer'. It's 'individual personalities', that account for a lot of negativity. You need to show....by your attitude and spirit on TMB, that one could believe you are truly a good representative as a Washington (area has been mentioned on here) professing christian. *Christian Should I have been more specific? As usual you take yourself way more serious than you should (is that specific enough? I wouldn't want to generalize or anything.) Is there a safe space or cry closet close by you can retreat to? I don't remember Christ naming anyone specific when he lit into groups of folks, was he specific or generalizing?
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 2, 2023 11:13:44 GMT -5
Viëtnam is a bright example of English-speaking foreign workers imposing their way and culture on local workers and friends. Things in Sri Lanka also did not pan out very well with John Blair's way of doing things. Seems the Aussie brothers there are cut from the same cloth. Romania hasn't done well either. Jonathan (I'll be ignoring the rabble that will respond to this post attempting to distract from the uncomfortable truth I confront Jonathan with)Explain your judgmental patronising post: I KNOW personally a number of workers, nationals and foreigners working in unity in the countries you mention. (btw, they are dedicated godly people who don't make uninformed judgements about things that don't know about.)
They have given their lives in response to a calling of God. God is using them in his gospel work and in shepherding of his people. Yet you have the temerity and arrogance to post in the uninformed superficial manner you do!!!!! Then your sick joke/'righteousness' Your next post it is on: "verse of the day" thread: "Psalm 37:11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace."
Are you really a worker? Or are you someone 'playing games' on TMB?
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Post by Annan on Jul 3, 2023 7:34:39 GMT -5
Are you really a worker? Or are you someone 'playing games' on TMB? The same could be asked of you.
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 3, 2023 7:53:16 GMT -5
Nice of IS to be posting such stuff on a Sunday morning in his country. Nice preparation for providing spiritual food for the meeting he will be attending. What a nasty piece of work, posting such stuff about another worker passing observation, to which he is perfectly entitled to do, and he does not have to answer to anyone for doing such. And before he accuses my of hypocrisy for posting on a Sunday morning, in the hemisphere I am in, it is Saturday night. Maybe Jonathan could ask, what is IS doing well and being a bright example in? I suspect he is too much of a gentleman. Internationalstudies is corresponding and speaking in the same way that Paul, Peter, and John did. You would have HATED the "mean workers" ruling the first century church too. Maybe you can find a worldly church with a worship band, laser light show, and tattooed pastor in skinny jeans that better fits your sensibilities.
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 3, 2023 8:02:05 GMT -5
There has definitely been a trend to appoint white english speaking overseers into countries where english is not the first language, and the predominant skin colour is not white. I think of Vietnam, Sri Lanka, Haiti as examples in years gone by.
And hasn't there been a trend to try an impose "white man's culture" and 2*2 rules and regulations on these people with negative results?
Viëtnam is a bright example of English-speaking foreign workers imposing their way and culture on local workers and friends. Things in Sri Lanka also did not pan out very well with John Blair's way of doing things. Seems the Aussie brothers there are cut from the same cloth. Romania hasn't done well either. And what about the rest of the world? Some VERY rebellious people in the countries you mentioned. The liberal fake professing people donning their sheep costumes will bemoan the lack of diversity mightily. Until one of those "non-white, non English-speaking overseers" calls out the sinful lifestyle they love and tells them that their short haired, painted up, trouser wearing tramp of a wife is leading the family straight to hell.
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