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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2023 1:17:51 GMT -5
You know what I will never get is why professing people come on here if they are so sure of what they know and have and then why they need to be handled with kids gloves when they do. I wish someone had challenged my thinking when I was trying to believe and stay. I wish someone had been brutally truthful. I might have gotten 10 years back. Anyone professing coming on here has doubts and is looking for help. recently this was posted on the thread "embedded culture - removing rules and power imbalance. Please post comments. I would welcome what you say. The reason I am here is because of the posts on WINGS that are very critical of us, and I wanted to provide a different perspective, but if everyone prefers no professing input, unless they are not sure about their faith, I would be interested to know.
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Post by guest8 on Jun 9, 2023 1:58:48 GMT -5
The times that I read here, I appreciate reading perspectives of ex's, professing Christians, atheists and agnostics.
What I don't respect is 'nasty generalisations' about professing folk ...... or ex's. Or, personally I have little patience re the arguing or being dogmatic over trinity or doctrine, as being evidence you have the higher moral ground. Stating 'what you believe', is actually coming from a more pleasant, respectful place and can be of interest. IMO
Most here, have a common denominator in terms of association with the church. We all are on the 'journey of this life'. Lets respect the choices we as individuals make.
I believe... Some the church has hurt, others it has not. Some have come to the point in life, of questioning the whole emphasis of living a life based on the old book called the bible, with its origins in the middle East over 2000 years ago.
Some live in the past and regurgitate generalisations on their perception and experiences years ago. Some find it hard to let that go.
Some realise we live in the 21st century and give a little grace in terms of allowing a church to evolve & move on for the better, into something more appropriate to 21st century living. Of course there are idiosyncrasies of the past and some may exist today.
Some of us may be ex's but have dear professing friends and family in the church. We may choose not to continue in the church but nasty generalisations encompassing people we love and respect, sadden us. Some have departed loving parents who had a meaningful & fulfilled spiritual life as a professing christian, consequently nasty generalisations encompass them too.
You are what you are. Your experience is yours. When I read a lot of TMB discourse, the thought often comes to me, re lying on one's deathbed. What actually would be important to you? In terms of your inner being/ your heart condition that you part with. That you die an Anglican?, A Morman?, A 2x2 churcher? or a member of the Minnie Mouse club?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2023 3:09:26 GMT -5
I voted Yes all are welcome but it's generally NO GO AWAY if you are the firm "right or wrong" person.
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Post by julio on Jun 9, 2023 9:07:44 GMT -5
Commenting on what was said about generalisms. I learned through continuing education that when somebody uses the terms 'never' and 'always' it does not lead to credibility. It does push my buttons when somebody states that every 2x2 or every EX 2x2... those types of comments are not true. Stating as fact these comments about what somebody believes or thinks etc. is not believable. No one knows the other person's heart or state of their soul. That's self-righteousness and judgmentalism.
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Post by jennyfromtheblock on Jun 9, 2023 11:09:33 GMT -5
Commenting on what was said about generalisms. I learned through continuing education that when somebody uses the terms 'never' and 'always' it does not lead to credibility. It does push my buttons when somebody states that every 2x2 or every EX 2x2... those types of comments are not true. Stating as fact these comments about what somebody believes or thinks etc. is not believable. No one knows the other person's heart or state of their soul. That's self-righteousness and judgmentalism. I agree with you. But if we’re being honest with ourselves, even tho we have varying degrees of beliefs within the church we don’t necessarily advertise them. We tend to keep them to ourselves, or within a safe group of likeminded individuals. There are people that believe in Trinity but they probably won’t be referring to the Triune God in their testimony at convention. My point is, although I hate the broad brush painting of 2x2s (that we all think exactly the same), I get it because we have a culture of fitting in. No one believes pants send women to Hell, but we still aren’t brave enough to wear them to meeting/convention…etc. Brave enough to wear them to a potluck but when you’re getting baptized better go put on your practical dress to go flounder around in a pond. Lots of things that we recognize are unreasonable, but we still just fit in and don’t ruffle any feathers. No wonder we get painted as “every 2x2”. It’s not right, but I get it. Same for ex2x2s - good to recognize the differences, and that they aren’t all just crazy. Lol 😜
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Post by openingact34 on Jun 9, 2023 12:27:16 GMT -5
Commenting on what was said about generalisms. I learned through continuing education that when somebody uses the terms 'never' and 'always' it does not lead to credibility. It does push my buttons when somebody states that every 2x2 or every EX 2x2... those types of comments are not true. Stating as fact these comments about what somebody believes or thinks etc. is not believable. No one knows the other person's heart or state of their soul. That's self-righteousness and judgmentalism. I agree with you. But if we’re being honest with ourselves, even tho we have varying degrees of beliefs within the church we don’t necessarily advertise them. We tend to keep them to ourselves, or within a safe group of likeminded individuals. There are people that believe in Trinity but they probably won’t be referring to the Triune God in their testimony at convention. My point is, although I hate the broad brush painting of 2x2s (that we all think exactly the same), I get it because we have a culture of fitting in. No one believes pants send women to Hell, but we still aren’t brave enough to wear them to meeting/convention…etc. Brave enough to wear them to a potluck but when you’re getting baptized better go put on your practical dress to go flounder around in a pond. Lots of things that we recognize are unreasonable, but we still just fit in and don’t ruffle any feathers. No wonder we get painted as “every 2x2”. It’s not right, but I get it. Same for ex2x2s - good to recognize the differences, and that they aren’t all just crazy. Lol 😜 Nobody show up to their baptism in a dress because they are worried about ruffling feathers. Every body knows with certainty that if they show up in pants the workers will refuse to baptize you.
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Post by jennyfromtheblock on Jun 9, 2023 12:48:57 GMT -5
I agree with you. But if we’re being honest with ourselves, even tho we have varying degrees of beliefs within the church we don’t necessarily advertise them. We tend to keep them to ourselves, or within a safe group of likeminded individuals. There are people that believe in Trinity but they probably won’t be referring to the Triune God in their testimony at convention. My point is, although I hate the broad brush painting of 2x2s (that we all think exactly the same), I get it because we have a culture of fitting in. No one believes pants send women to Hell, but we still aren’t brave enough to wear them to meeting/convention…etc. Brave enough to wear them to a potluck but when you’re getting baptized better go put on your practical dress to go flounder around in a pond. Lots of things that we recognize are unreasonable, but we still just fit in and don’t ruffle any feathers. No wonder we get painted as “every 2x2”. It’s not right, but I get it. Same for ex2x2s - good to recognize the differences, and that they aren’t all just crazy. Lol 😜 Nobody show up to their baptism in a dress because they are worried about ruffling feathers. Every body knows with certainty that if they show up in pants the workers will refuse to baptize you. yup.
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Post by openingact34 on Jun 9, 2023 12:56:15 GMT -5
My favorite posters on TMB have always been the professing people
1) Bert / Prue / Pruebert 2) Review005 / InternationalStudies 3) GloryInTruth
All of them were persecuted and driven away not just by bitter exes, but by other borderline professing people living secret worldly lives while infiltrating God's true way.
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Post by neighbour on Jun 9, 2023 13:02:11 GMT -5
My favorite posters on TMB have always been the professing people 1) Bert / Prue / Pruebert 2) Review005 / InternationalStudies 3) GloryInTruth All of them were persecuted and driven away not just by bitter exes, but by other borderline professing people living secret worldly lives while infiltrating God's true way. My favourite poster is openingact34, your sarcasm doesn't drip, it overflows
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Post by christiansburg on Jun 9, 2023 13:03:23 GMT -5
You know what I will never get is why professing people come on here if they are so sure of what they know and have and then why they need to be handled with kids gloves when they do. I wish someone had challenged my thinking when I was trying to believe and stay. I wish someone had been brutally truthful. I might have gotten 10 years back. Anyone professing coming on here has doubts and is looking for help. recently this was posted on the thread "embedded culture - removing rules and power imbalance. Please post comments. I would welcome what you say. The reason I am here is because of the posts on WINGS that are very critical of us, and I wanted to provide a different perspective, but if everyone prefers no professing input, unless they are not sure about their faith, I would be interested to know. The posts on here are of a selective segment of our fellowship and some leadership. I don't come seeking help and have no question of my faith. I do welcome the testimony of those who have been unfairly selected for censorship. We many of those I have great sympathy.
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Post by SharonArnold on Jun 9, 2023 14:25:02 GMT -5
I think the results from this poll are pretty convincing.
I will fiercely defend anyone's right to express what they think and feel, regardless of whether I agree or disagree. I do not care what labels you wear or do not wear. (And, yes, "professing" is simply a label.)
I am not a fan of censorship, in any form. My thought always is "You're an adult, you are in absolute control of what you choose to read and what you choose to take in. Your choice."
There have been cases of censorship on this forum where some people (who would consider themselves uncommonly enlightened - professing/non-professing are not the categories under consideration here) have ganged up to censor opposing voices. I am not sure that these individuals have ever seen what they have done and how deeply antithetical it is to everything they think they believe. This still makes me somewhat sad. But people are people and it is what it is. My life is not here. Your life is not here. If you feel an inner prompting to say something, then go for it. If it is from your heart, I will cheer you all the way. If it is not, (and I have a really good BS detector), I will (appropriately file you in my mind and) move on.
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