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Post by Pragmatic on May 28, 2023 19:01:48 GMT -5
This is how organisational control is maintained. Discuss controversial matters in private, deal with dissent in private, shut down any calls for accountability as quickly as possible. It's why our long term resident worker prefers private messages rather than the open board. It can no longer be like that. Real change comes with awareness and awareness is only possible when it's all out in the open. If they want to earn people's trust again, they can't hide things and pretend it's not the friend's business. When it effects the friends, which all this does, then they need to be included in the conversation. Otherwise they are going to feel like there is still secret dealings being hidden from them. The friends are the ones affected, and they should be controlling the conversation, not the other way round.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 28, 2023 21:41:33 GMT -5
Does anyone know if the authorities in the united states are actively looking into the abuse allegations as much as it seems they are in Canada? Local authorities or nation wide such as fbi? I can say FBI is aware , however I don’t know the details as to what extent . Unless some of this criminal activity has some "interstate" nature to it, the FBI may not be that interested. Child molestation is normally a state crime, and the federal courts don't address it. Except, of course, if the victim was transported to another state, or the perpetrator has moved on to another state.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 28, 2023 21:46:42 GMT -5
It can no longer be like that. Real change comes with awareness and awareness is only possible when it's all out in the open. If they want to earn people's trust again, they can't hide things and pretend it's not the friend's business. When it effects the friends, which all this does, then they need to be included in the conversation. Otherwise they are going to feel like there is still secret dealings being hidden from them. The friends are the ones affected, and they should be controlling the conversation, not the other way round. Actually, if it's a matter of crimes, the conversation should take place in legal and public fora. The people need to know that such matters are being in open court or they will have no reason to trust the court integrity of system either. The law is for the public, and ignorance of the law is no excuse for guilt.
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Post by Pragmatic on May 28, 2023 21:58:07 GMT -5
The friends are the ones affected, and they should be controlling the conversation, not the other way round. Actually, if it's a matter of crimes, the conversation should take place in legal and public fora. The people need to know that such matters are being in open court or they will have no reason to trust the court integrity of system either. The law is for the public, and ignorance of the law is no excuse for guilt. I think you may have mis-interpreted me Bob. I was not referring to the legal forum, but the operational one where the friends should be controlling the conversation, not the workers.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 28, 2023 22:03:11 GMT -5
Actually, if it's a matter of crimes, the conversation should take place in legal and public fora. The people need to know that such matters are being in open court or they will have no reason to trust the court integrity of system either. The law is for the public, and ignorance of the law is no excuse for guilt. I think you may have mis-interpreted me Bob. I was not referring to the legal forum, but the operational one where the friends should be controlling the conversation, not the workers. Yes, I did. And I agree with you. I kinda got things a bit mixed up with that.
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Post by openingact34 on May 28, 2023 22:19:57 GMT -5
All the “we regret to inform you” letters being sent out by the overseerers serve only to emphasize their ineffectiveness and empty preaching. Are we to believe that education and training in recognizing sexual grooming is going to change anything? That’s like getting the wolves together and ‘training’ them not to do their wolvish things. So far I’ve seen a lot of regret, but that’s not repentance. Repentance IS change. The wolves are at the top and they need to go. There's got to be a change of culture away from this Popish concept... ..respect that decision because it comes from a group of men whom God has called and whom God is using in guiding his work in this part of the earth. If our attitude towards them becomes disrespectful, it is a reflection on our attitude towards God as well. www.tellingthetruth.info/workers_later/shultz-AB.phpThis is the model Jesus taught... Matthew 20:25 But Jesus called them together and said, “You know that the rulers in this world lord it over their people, and officials flaunt their authority over those under them. 26 But among you it will be different. Whoever wants to be a leader among you must be your servant, 27 and whoever wants to be first among you must become your slave. 28 For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve others and to give his life as a ransom for many.” John 13:13 You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and you are right, because that’s what I am. 14 And since I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you ought to wash each other’s feet. 15 I have given you an example to follow. Do as I have done to you. 16 I tell you the truth, slaves are not greater than their master. Nor is the messenger more important than the one who sends the message. 17 Now that you know these things, God will bless you for doing them. Want to talk cultish? "You are my friends if you do what I command." - John 15:14
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Post by fixit on May 28, 2023 22:50:14 GMT -5
There's got to be a change of culture away from this Popish concept... ..respect that decision because it comes from a group of men whom God has called and whom God is using in guiding his work in this part of the earth. If our attitude towards them becomes disrespectful, it is a reflection on our attitude towards God as well. www.tellingthetruth.info/workers_later/shultz-AB.phpThis is the model Jesus taught... Matthew 20:25 But Jesus called them together and said, “You know that the rulers in this world lord it over their people, and officials flaunt their authority over those under them. 26 But among you it will be different. Whoever wants to be a leader among you must be your servant, 27 and whoever wants to be first among you must become your slave. 28 For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve others and to give his life as a ransom for many.” John 13:13 You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and you are right, because that’s what I am. 14 And since I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you ought to wash each other’s feet. 15 I have given you an example to follow. Do as I have done to you. 16 I tell you the truth, slaves are not greater than their master. Nor is the messenger more important than the one who sends the message. 17 Now that you know these things, God will bless you for doing them. Want to talk cultish? "You are my friends if you do what I command." - John 15:14 It should be read in context but I guess you would need to have experience with good fellowship to appreciate what Jesus was saying. John 15 Amplified Bible 12 “This is My commandment, that you love and unselfishly seek the best for one another, just as I have loved you. 13 No one has greater love [nor stronger commitment] than to lay down his own life for his friends. 14 You are my friends if you keep on doing what I command you. 15 I do not call you servants any longer, for the servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you [My] friends, because I have revealed to you everything that I have heard from My Father. 16 You have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you and I have appointed and placed and purposefully planted you, so that you would go and bear fruit and keep on bearing, and that your fruit will remain and be lasting, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name [as My representative] He may give to you. 17 This [is what] I command you: that you love and unselfishly seek the best for one another.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 29, 2023 8:47:51 GMT -5
I can say FBI is aware , however I don’t know the details as to what extent . Unless some of this criminal activity has some "interstate" nature to it, the FBI may not be that interested. Child molestation is normally a state crime, and the federal courts don't address it. Except, of course, if the victim was transported to another state, or the perpetrator has moved on to another state. They do more about moving them before police can get them . RCMP are absolutely moving at a quick pace .
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 29, 2023 9:30:47 GMT -5
2 letters up , probably on WINGS SITE ! PLEASE SEEK OUT HELP FROM OUTSIDE THE TRUTH . THESE PEOPLE ARE PROFESSING . IN ADDITION THEY CAN MANIPULATE YOUR MIND ! PLEASE PLEASE SEEK OUTSIDE HELP ! I THIS MAYBE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST !
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Post by verna on May 29, 2023 10:03:34 GMT -5
2 letters up , probably on WINGS SITE ! PLEASE SEEK OUT HELP FROM OUTSIDE THE TRUTH . THESE PEOPLE ARE PROFESSING . IN ADDITION THEY CAN MANIPULATE YOUR MIND ! PLEASE PLEASE SEEK OUTSIDE HELP ! I THIS MAYBE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST ! Are you referring to the email/post about professing professionals offering help? I question this as well. Seems like efforts to perpetuate the indoctrination.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 29, 2023 10:13:07 GMT -5
Yes I am , and I will be speaking with my lawyer buddy . This is a conflict of interest . Can you imagine the mind games these psychologist . That is there to help can your mind set .
PLEASE GO TO OUTSIDE HELP PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT GO TO THEM . They are working with the worker’s FULL STOP 🛑 NO MERCY GIVEN AT THIS POINT IN MY LIFE It smells Verna , especially for a survivor like me , they would be my last resource . That is twisted 💩 I would like to add they are in this game but not for a good reason .
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Post by verna on May 29, 2023 11:21:17 GMT -5
Yes I am , and I will be speaking with my lawyer buddy . This is a conflict of interest . Can you imagine the mind games these psychologist . That is there to help can your mind set . PLEASE GO TO OUTSIDE HELP PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT GO TO THEM . They are working with the worker’s FULL STOP 🛑 NO MERCY GIVEN AT THIS POINT IN MY LIFE It smells Verna , especially for a survivor like me , they would be my last resource . That is twisted 💩 I would like to add they are in this game but not for a good reason . Yes and apparently (from what I hear) they have a fully funded fund available for therapy. Again, not verified, but I suspect it is not available to exes and is professing therapists only. Someone PLEASE correct me if I am wrong.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2023 11:27:59 GMT -5
Yes I am , and I will be speaking with my lawyer buddy . This is a conflict of interest . Can you imagine the mind games these psychologist . That is there to help can your mind set . PLEASE GO TO OUTSIDE HELP PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT GO TO THEM . They are working with the worker’s FULL STOP 🛑 NO MERCY GIVEN AT THIS POINT IN MY LIFE It smells Verna , especially for a survivor like me , they would be my last resource . That is twisted 💩 I would like to add they are in this game but not for a good reason . Yes and apparently (from what I hear) they have a fully funded fund available for therapy. Again, not verified, but I suspect it is not available to exes and is professing therapists only. Someone PLEASE correct me if I am wrong. There would be no way to verify your claim, too many involved worldwide... It might be true in one area but not another...
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Post by verna on May 29, 2023 11:34:30 GMT -5
Yes and apparently (from what I hear) they have a fully funded fund available for therapy. Again, not verified, but I suspect it is not available to exes and is professing therapists only. Someone PLEASE correct me if I am wrong. There would be no way to verify your claim, too many involved worldwide... It might be true in one area but not another... I question that but perhaps someone could verify if it is true in some areas. Should be easy enough for a survivor to reach out and find out. Or, heaven forbid, someone involved could answer my questions. I would love to abandon this suspicion.
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Post by snow on May 29, 2023 12:17:03 GMT -5
It can no longer be like that. Real change comes with awareness and awareness is only possible when it's all out in the open. If they want to earn people's trust again, they can't hide things and pretend it's not the friend's business. When it effects the friends, which all this does, then they need to be included in the conversation. Otherwise they are going to feel like there is still secret dealings being hidden from them. The friends are the ones affected, and they should be controlling the conversation, not the other way round. Absolutely agree. The workers should be listening to their 'flock' right now. After all it's the 'flock' that has been abused by them.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 29, 2023 12:22:12 GMT -5
Well I guess it’s time for me to email Merlin & Mike ! It’s all good , getting ready for my trip to BC lots of time to send emails 6 hour drive . That is effing. , downright , holier than thought behavior . Some know exactly where I am over this issue . It’s go TIME ! Disgusted and such arrogance , smells filthy ! Rotten and a clear conflict
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Post by peggysullivan on May 29, 2023 12:22:20 GMT -5
2 letters up , probably on WINGS SITE ! PLEASE SEEK OUT HELP FROM OUTSIDE THE TRUTH . THESE PEOPLE ARE PROFESSING . IN ADDITION THEY CAN MANIPULATE YOUR MIND ! PLEASE PLEASE SEEK OUTSIDE HELP ! I THIS MAYBE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST ! I think it may be a conflict of interest too. They are not going to be as objective about anything to do with the truth.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 29, 2023 12:24:29 GMT -5
They are not , and they can tweak to the victims that it really wasn’t that bad ! I am gonna ask for money ! Believe me I will .
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Post by snow on May 29, 2023 12:25:39 GMT -5
2 letters up , probably on WINGS SITE ! PLEASE SEEK OUT HELP FROM OUTSIDE THE TRUTH . THESE PEOPLE ARE PROFESSING . IN ADDITION THEY CAN MANIPULATE YOUR MIND ! PLEASE PLEASE SEEK OUTSIDE HELP ! I THIS MAYBE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST ! Are you referring to the email/post about professing professionals offering help? I question this as well. Seems like efforts to perpetuate the indoctrination. I think they do mean well, but how can they really counsel from the inside? They have the same mindset as their clients because of being raised and still professing. It's kind of like the blind leading the blind in this case. I'm sure they are very supportive and caring, but in order to help I believe people need someone that has an outside of the group experience.
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Post by snow on May 29, 2023 12:27:48 GMT -5
Yes I am , and I will be speaking with my lawyer buddy . This is a conflict of interest . Can you imagine the mind games these psychologist . That is there to help can your mind set . PLEASE GO TO OUTSIDE HELP PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT GO TO THEM . They are working with the worker’s FULL STOP 🛑 NO MERCY GIVEN AT THIS POINT IN MY LIFE It smells Verna , especially for a survivor like me , they would be my last resource . That is twisted 💩 I would like to add they are in this game but not for a good reason . I agree. They are not qualified to counsel their own group for something like this. To much of a temptation to protect the group and that would definitely be a conflict of interest.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 29, 2023 12:29:33 GMT -5
They can’t even come to the mind set . They work and screw up peoples minds ! 🛑 🛑 🛑 🛑
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 29, 2023 12:33:30 GMT -5
It will be my last deed before we head to BC . I have been supplied with many emails addresses for OVERSEER FAR & WIDE . To copy Leonardo on Titanic , I am going to write a VERY STRONG EMAIL . Titanic April 14 , Abe Lincoln April 14 . My birthday April 14 two very significant events. Am I paranoid ?
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Post by BobWilliston on May 29, 2023 15:47:58 GMT -5
Unless some of this criminal activity has some "interstate" nature to it, the FBI may not be that interested. Child molestation is normally a state crime, and the federal courts don't address it. Except, of course, if the victim was transported to another state, or the perpetrator has moved on to another state. They do more about moving them before police can get them . RCMP are absolutely moving at a quick pace . And the RCMP doesn't can go anywhere!!
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Post by BobWilliston on May 29, 2023 15:54:23 GMT -5
They can’t even come to the mind set . They work and screw up peoples minds ! 🛑 🛑 🛑 🛑 They are compromised because of their conflict of interest. Unfit to be involved.
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Post by haggard on May 29, 2023 16:16:56 GMT -5
Yes I am , and I will be speaking with my lawyer buddy . This is a conflict of interest . Can you imagine the mind games these psychologist . That is there to help can your mind set . PLEASE GO TO OUTSIDE HELP PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT GO TO THEM . They are working with the worker’s FULL STOP 🛑 NO MERCY GIVEN AT THIS POINT IN MY LIFE It smells Verna , especially for a survivor like me , they would be my last resource . That is twisted 💩 I would like to add they are in this game but not for a good reason . I agree. They are not qualified to counsel their own group for something like this. To much of a temptation to protect the group and that would definitely be a conflict of interest.
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Post by haggard on May 29, 2023 16:21:59 GMT -5
l never did trust a fox in the chicken coup..or the sheep pen
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 29, 2023 16:24:53 GMT -5
A psychologist without proper training absolutely cannot handle a CSA To do so much more education is required . I am not sure if they have even checked that out . Those types of psychologists have a different degree Not to sure if they understand that . In Canada it would be held to a higher standard when dealing with small kids . A whole different mindset
This is absolutely a conflict of interest , especially when it’s a very small child . Just wonder what comes up next . When I leave town Wednesday I am off TMB for a mental health break . Just at doctor’s getting my meds to travel . A few more things to tackle before that about CSA . Then whew a total break !
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Post by peggysullivan on May 29, 2023 16:43:54 GMT -5
A conflict of interest can occur whenever our own personal feelings would interfere with how we approach something and/or make decisions. Being objective is when we can assess a situation without bias and being able to set emotions aside. If we have a special interest in something it’s hard to set all our emotions aside and just look at it without any feelings.
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