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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2023 11:42:11 GMT -5
Since they did something on the side "quietly" how would you know it's actually stopped? Sometimes there are consequences for ones actions. Delayed or not. Says the man with the knife ,How can you be trusted ? I have always had that avatar up from the beginning (going on 9 years now) did you not notice it till now? Apples and oranges... |
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Post by snow on May 17, 2023 14:32:54 GMT -5
Oh I totally agree with that. But not everyone wants that. Some require a community it seems. We are all different. To dig a little deeper, do they need the community, or do they need external validation from a community? Probably a bit of both? Many like to be part of a like minded group, and yes, sometimes that group does give us external validation. For example I am really enjoying the group I am in which is an ex support group. I sure could have used that 55 years ago. Reading the experiences of people that know what it was like is healing for me in ways that I didn't even know I needed healing. So I imagine that church groups need that even more because they are in a belief system that is totally dependent on believing on faith. So to be around others that believe in the same faith you do is probably receiving validation and support to continue that belief. |
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Post by peggysullivan on May 18, 2023 15:30:46 GMT -5
Maybe Leroy and Dorothy can get together, get married and be in a relationship they don’t have to hide or feel guilty about.
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Post by Child of God on Jun 3, 2023 15:37:15 GMT -5
By stopping the relationship shows they have repented or does God require more? It seems a bit late to punish them for something God has likely forgiven. Since they did something on the side "quietly" how would you know it's actually stopped? Sometimes there are consequences for ones actions. Delayed or not. Where does it say this is an unforgiveable sin? |
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Post by snow on Jun 3, 2023 16:10:33 GMT -5
Since they did something on the side "quietly" how would you know it's actually stopped? Sometimes there are consequences for ones actions. Delayed or not. Where does it say this is an unforgiveable sin? no one said it was an unforgivable sin. They were just pointing out that a celibate ministry should be celibate. The friends have been excommunicated for less so it seems a double standard. Nothing wrong with what they did legally and imo wasn't a sin, but definitely hypocritical considering what kind of behavior they expect from the friends. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2023 22:30:55 GMT -5
Since they did something on the side "quietly" how would you know it's actually stopped? Sometimes there are consequences for ones actions. Delayed or not. Where does it say this is an unforgiveable sin? Consequences don't necessarily mean unforgivable. |
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Post by mrdobalina on Jun 4, 2023 2:40:09 GMT -5
Where does it say this is an unforgiveable sin? Consequences don't necessarily mean unforgivable. They were f@cking, thats how God intended for children to be made, marriage and monogamy came later. What is there to forgive by your imaginary friend? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2023 9:12:37 GMT -5
Consequences don't necessarily mean unforgivable. They were f@cking, thats how God intended for children to be made, marriage and monogamy came later. What is there to forgive by your imaginary friend? If you've actually read your scriptures carefully (you haven't) that wasn't the order of things at all. Adam and Eve were not related to your monkey relatives. |
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Post by learner on Jun 4, 2023 15:34:04 GMT -5
I think her letters do not need to be here on this thread. This was not abuse. Why do we need to keep it as a permanent record? They have acknowledged it. Scripturally … we should all move on and stop thinking about this particular situation.
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Post by mrdobalina on Jun 4, 2023 18:40:22 GMT -5
They were f@cking, thats how God intended for children to be made, marriage and monogamy came later. What is there to forgive by your imaginary friend? If you've actually read your scriptures carefully (you haven't) that wasn't the order of things at all. Adam and Eve were not related to your monkey relatives. Do you really believe Adam and Eve actually existed? Next thing you're going to tell me you believe the entire earth was flooded and everyone drowned except for a few clowns with a zoo on a homemade boat. Take some time to study the origins of the bible, rather than the bible itself. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2023 18:46:05 GMT -5
If you've actually read your scriptures carefully (you haven't) that wasn't the order of things at all. Adam and Eve were not related to your monkey relatives. Do you really believe Adam and Eve actually existed? Next thing you're going to tell me you believe the entire earth was flooded and everyone drowned except for a few clowns with a zoo on a homemade boat. Take some time to study the origins of the bible, rather than the bible itself. There are few that don't know the origins... You've just discovered I believe in the scriptures? |
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Post by elizabethcoleman on Jun 4, 2023 19:04:42 GMT -5
I think her letters do not need to be here on this thread. This was not abuse. Why do we need to keep it as a permanent record? They have acknowledged it. Scripturally … we should all move on and stop thinking about this particular situation. Very sympathetic to this view. I guess the only upside, is that in the current context of so many being stood down for other reasons, at least their reason for leaving is on public record and clearly stated, which hopefully prevents any alternate rumours about things for which they are innocent. Note also that Dorothy wanted her letter to be made public, so it is posted in accordance with her wishes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2023 20:16:44 GMT -5
I think her letters do not need to be here on this thread. This was not abuse. Why do we need to keep it as a permanent record? They have acknowledged it. Scripturally … we should all move on and stop thinking about this particular situation. I wholeheartedly agree. This should not be filed under "abuse". It should be on the regular forum. |
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Post by mrdobalina on Jun 4, 2023 21:47:03 GMT -5
Do you really believe Adam and Eve actually existed? Next thing you're going to tell me you believe the entire earth was flooded and everyone drowned except for a few clowns with a zoo on a homemade boat. Take some time to study the origins of the bible, rather than the bible itself. There are few that don't know the origins... You've just discovered I believe in the scriptures? Whereas you seem to think that civilisation and laws came before breeding. |
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Post by learner on Jun 4, 2023 23:51:31 GMT -5
I think her letters do not need to be here on this thread. This was not abuse. Why do we need to keep it as a permanent record? They have acknowledged it. Scripturally … we should all move on and stop thinking about this particular situation. I wholeheartedly agree. This should not be filed under "abuse". It should be on the regular forum. I note that it says she wanted it ‘shared’. Which is not necessarily the same thing as a permanent public post on a board/thread dedicated to CSA abuses. I think it could be seen as salacious and ask the Admin to remove it and put it somewhere else. If anywhere. A good way to demonstrate forgiveness. Big deal. Mistakes were made, they have sorted it, nothing to see here folks. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2023 0:28:12 GMT -5
There are few that don't know the origins... You've just discovered I believe in the scriptures? Whereas you seem to think that civilisation and laws came before breeding. Nope, everything started in the Garden. |
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Post by Pragmatic on Jun 5, 2023 0:57:27 GMT -5
I wholeheartedly agree. This should not be filed under "abuse". It should be on the regular forum. I note that it says she wanted it ‘shared’. Which is not necessarily the same thing as a permanent public post on a board/thread dedicated to CSA abuses. I think it could be seen as salacious and ask the Admin to remove it and put it somewhere else. If anywhere. A good way to demonstrate forgiveness. Big deal. Mistakes were made, they have sorted it, nothing to see here folks. Let him that is without sin cast the first stone? |
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Post by mrdobalina on Jun 5, 2023 1:26:33 GMT -5
Whereas you seem to think that civilisation and laws came before breeding. Nope, everything started in the Garden. I tried, but I've got nothing for that. |
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Post by margaret on Jun 6, 2024 21:35:21 GMT -5
I do believe they have done the right thing in stepping down. And although they speak so glowingly about how wonderful their time in the work has been and how wonderful the workers and friends have been, did any of them reach out to any of us? Did they reprove themselves for holing up in their comfortable privileged homes when so many were being neglected, shunned, dismissed, overlooked? Yeah you bet it would be the best life you could imagine but it sure as hell isn't how Jesus lived and it isn't what he taught. Good on them for getting out, though. Maybe a dose of reality will waken them up.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 6, 2024 22:38:58 GMT -5
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Post by Pragmatic on Jun 7, 2024 1:46:43 GMT -5
I do believe they have done the right thing in stepping down. And although they speak so glowingly about how wonderful their time in the work has been and how wonderful the workers and friends have been, did any of them reach out to any of us? Did they reprove themselves for holing up in their comfortable privileged homes when so many were being neglected, shunned, dismissed, overlooked? Yeah you bet it would be the best life you could imagine but it sure as hell isn't how Jesus lived and it isn't what he taught. Good on them for getting out, though. Maybe a dose of reality will waken them up. To be honest I hadn't thought of it in that light. I guess I was more focused on their own inner turmoils and struggles. But you're right, and thanks for pointing out this perspective. |
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