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Post by Umfolozi on May 20, 2023 8:18:56 GMT -5
Thanks Annan, I appreciate it! I feel like curling up in a ball and cry.
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Post by Umfolozi on May 20, 2023 9:30:35 GMT -5
I am feeling in a small measure what survivors must feel when they are shamed.
So my spouse puts all the blame on the parents, saying they should have reported it and made a law suit to be compensated, he doesn't feel the fellowship should pay. He doesn't even want me to give money to the advocatesfortruth fund.
I obviously don't agree.
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Post by Umfolozi on May 20, 2023 11:40:50 GMT -5
Hello X,
X told me you send him a WA message this am, saying you are upset about the e mail I sent to the workers and friends regarding financial compensation for CSA and SA in the fellowship that was grossly mishandled by them. Can you tell me why you would be upset about this? Also kindly respond to me and don't pull X into this.
Love X
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Post by Umfolozi on May 20, 2023 11:44:13 GMT -5
One of the reasons these atrocities have flourished in your fellowship is because people as yourself didn't want to hear any negativity regarding your group, you are living in a bubble. As Christians we can't just ignore atrocities committed amongst us.One of the reasons Christianity is evil spoken of is because some Christians turned a blind eye to crimes and public sins amongst themselves.If none of us wanted to face these negative thing's and do something about them, just imagine how much worse this world would be! There is a big difference between having a negative outlook versus standing up for what's right, you should know this.
I didn't read your WA to X, I don't intend to, if you have a issue with what I said you can discuss it as a mature adult with me. On the other hand you could have just humbly ignored the message if you didn't agree. You made a mountain out of a molls hill. You need to choose your battles carefully...
Kind regards. X
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Post by openingact34 on May 20, 2023 12:51:35 GMT -5
Somewhere else online, there was discussion that many current professing people are claiming that the notification letters from the overseers are fakes being sent by bitter ex members.
For those of us living outside the cult, it's hard to remember just how brainwashed the workers really have everyone.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 20, 2023 13:43:22 GMT -5
So it’s 1999 My oldest gives birth to my granddaughter . Dad is outside smoking crack and misses her birth . I get to cut the cord and be the first to hold her . That bond is cemented . The nurses approach me and ask about addiction and I admit the parents are actively using drugs . I am not talking about weed . They ask me what am I going to do . I said she will not go in child welfare system , I will take responsibility for my granddaughter . 3 days after she arrived they left her with me and they were gone . I was granted custody . Never planned on raising another child . I also had foster kids at the same time . My daughter became an addict at age 12 . She endured CSA as I have stated after the CSA and her father committing suicide . Leads to her becoming an addict at 12 years old . So goes into treatment at Alberta Adolescent Recovery Center Anyhow I am granted custody . They are stripped of their parental rights . They are allowed no ZERO CONTACT ! I was working and going to school so I just rolled with it . One night after everyone is sleeping there is a knock at my door . It’s my daughter with some dude . She asked to see her daughter . I deny it . She has a no contact order against her . So they leave . I finish my homework and flip on the news at 11 pm . First news item is a Canada wide warrant for dude for murder . Yes the guy at my door . I reach out to my police officer’s . We are immediately moved to safety . Then they try to find them. . My daughter calls me asking for money and I said sure no problem where are you . She is in a hotel with dude . She named hotel and room number . Again I reach out to police as my daughter had done many crimes . I pick up the phone and let my police buddies know exactly where they are . Police and SWAT TEAM get them . They are put in jail and I start to getting threatened by dude from jail . So we can’t return to house . We are put into a safety shelter , where we lived for about 2 years . We are under lock and key . Not a great way to live . However thanks to my father for bringing me up to continue life , we just carry on . Strong constitution given by my dad and school of hard knocks ! I am placed in a court proceeding I never asked for . I am escorted to and from court by police . Dude get 25 years his name is Ron Abrams . My daughter flips and turns on him . Now she is under protection . However she has a restraining order against her to stay away from me . Sadly when she got clean and sober , her child had sought her out . My granddaughter is over 18 and can do whatever she wanted . They start communicating and finally meet . By this time my granddaughter has a three year old child . Just when they are getting super close and having a wonderful , beautiful , relationship…………. I received a text from my daughter it says Mom I have COVID-19 , I need you mommy . By the time I get to her , she is on a ventilator . Her liver , pancreas and heart attacked . Meet with her doctors and I am told , there is NOTHING THEY CAN DO !! She miraculously is able to breathe . However she is dying and they can’t do a thing . She is paralyzed from waist down . On August 5th (her birthday ) she tells me , mommy I want to die at home with her husband and cats and I . At first I am selfish thinking she has a better chance of life in hospital . However I honor her request because I was being selfish We get hospice care at their apartment . She passes quietly on August 18th 2020 . At this point I am flying back and forth . I arrived back in her city on August 24th to finalize everything needed . I go to their apartment , open door and find my son-in-law on the floor . I call 911 same paramedics come . Top paramedic tells me there is nothing they can do , he has been down too long and I need to make a decision . I said I am not his mom , I am his mother-in-law . I have to make a decision . I agree to let him go .
DURING THIS TIME THE PROFESSING PEOPLE IN MY LIFE ARE MAKING SURE I GET TO AIRPORT BOTH WAYS AND WHEREVER ELSE I NEED TO BE . They attend to my mom as well . They comforted me so kindly . They are forever in my life . At the exact same time my youngest is in rehab for drugs and mental health issues . Guess what ? She too a CSA/SA victim . I had already wrestled three knives from her as she attempted to commit suicide .
THATS CSA/SA DRIVEN BEHAVIOR OF HER TRAUMA .
I am not a bitter ex , I am a broken down trashed soul . My mom died 6 months later when I stopped her meds and such after a late night call from doctor . Again the friends circle around me . Then my brother drives drunk and ends up a quadriplegic . My mom insists I go to Vancouver so I can tell her exactly what is happening .
I AM NOT A BITTER EX I AM COMPLETELY HEARTBROKEN TO THIS DAY . So this mess in the truth is very personal for me . Thus I will continue to work with officials to stop this nightmare !! So I don’t appreciate comments about my mental health issues . I AM A WHOLE DIFFERENT KIND OF CRAZY ! Cheers 🥂
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 20, 2023 14:45:29 GMT -5
Forgot my granddaughter ended in psych ward ! Take a guess why !
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Post by Umfolozi on May 20, 2023 14:48:19 GMT -5
So it’s 1999 My oldest gives birth to my granddaughter . Dad is outside smoking crack and misses her birth . I get to cut the cord and be the first to hold her . That bond is cemented . The nurses approach me and ask about addiction and I admit the parents are actively using drugs . I am not talking about weed . They ask me what am I going to do . I said she will not go in child welfare system , I will take responsibility for my granddaughter . 3 days after she arrived they left her with me and they were gone . I was granted custody . Never planned on raising another child . I also had foster kids at the same time . My daughter became an addict at age 12 . She endured CSA as I have stated after the CSA and her father committing suicide . Leads to her becoming an addict at 12 years old . So goes into treatment at Alberta Adolescent Recovery Center Anyhow I am granted custody . They are stripped of their parental rights . They are allowed no ZERO CONTACT ! I was working and going to school so I just rolled with it . One night after everyone is sleeping there is a knock at my door . It’s my daughter with some dude . She asked to see her daughter . I deny it . She has a no contact order against her . So they leave . I finish my homework and flip on the news at 11 pm . First news item is a Canada wide warrant for dude for murder . Yes the guy at my door . I reach out to my police officer’s . We are immediately moved to safety . Then they try to find them. . My daughter calls me asking for money and I said sure no problem where are you . She is in a hotel with dude . She named hotel and room number . Again I reach out to police as my daughter had done many crimes . I pick up the phone and let my police buddies know exactly where they are . Police and SWAT TEAM get them . They are put in jail and I start to getting threatened by dude from jail . So we can’t return to house . We are put into a safety shelter , where we lived for about 2 years . We are under lock and key . Not a great way to live . However thanks to my father for bringing me up to continue life , we just carry on . Strong constitution given by my dad and school of hard knocks ! I am placed in a court proceeding I never asked for . I am escorted to and from court by police . Dude get 25 years his name is Ron Abrams . My daughter flips and turns on him . Now she is under protection . However she has a restraining order against her to stay away from me . Sadly when she got clean and sober , her child had sought her out . My granddaughter is over 18 and can do whatever she wanted . They start communicating and finally meet . By this time my granddaughter has a three year old child . Just when they are getting super close and having a wonderful , beautiful , relationship…………. I received a text from my daughter it says Mom I have COVID-19 , I need you mommy . By the time I get to her , she is on a ventilator . Her liver , pancreas and heart attacked . Meet with her doctors and I am told , there is NOTHING THEY CAN DO !! She miraculously is able to breathe . However she is dying and they can’t do a thing . She is paralyzed from waist down . On August 5th (her birthday ) she tells me , mommy I want to die at home with her husband and cats and I . At first I am selfish thinking she has a better chance of life in hospital . However I honor her request because I was being selfish We get hospice care at their apartment . She passes quietly on August 18th 2020 . At this point I am flying back and forth . I arrived back in her city on August 24th to finalize everything needed . I go to their apartment , open door and find my son-in-law on the floor . I call 911 same paramedics come . Top paramedic tells me there is nothing they can do , he has been down too long and I need to make a decision . I said I am not his mom , I am his mother-in-law . I have to make a decision . I agree to let him go . DURING THIS TIME THE PROFESSING PEOPLE IN MY LIFE ARE MAKING SURE I GET TO AIRPORT BOTH WAYS AND WHEREVER ELSE I NEED TO BE . They attend to my mom as well . They comforted me so kindly . They are forever in my life . At the exact same time my youngest is in rehab for drugs and mental health issues . Guess what ? She too a CSA/SA victim . I had already wrestled three knives from her as she attempted to commit suicide . THATS CSA/SA DRIVEN BEHAVIOR OF HER TRAUMA . I am not a bitter ex , I am a broken down trashed soul . My mom died 6 months later when I stopped her meds and such after a late night call from doctor . Again the friends circle around me . Then my brother drives drunk and ends up a quadriplegic . My mom insists I go to Vancouver so I can tell her exactly what is happening . I AM NOT A BITTER EX I AM COMPLETELY HEARTBROKEN TO THIS DAY . So this mess in the truth is very personal for me . Thus I will continue to work with officials to stop this nightmare !! So I don’t appreciate comments about my mental health issues . I AM A WHOLE DIFFERENT KIND OF CRAZY ! Cheers 🥂 Thanks for sharing🌷I just want 2 cry about you, your family, the beutiful Labrador puppies at the shelter that we bathed Thursday and today was told that the x1 that had diarrhea had a incurable disease so they put all x3 down.There is a vaccine but they were not vaccinated yet.Oh Lord all these thing's are getting to me, please help!
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Post by Umfolozi on May 20, 2023 14:51:27 GMT -5
Thanks you are sweet, I don't know when last I have had a good cry but today is the day.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 20, 2023 14:54:04 GMT -5
Thanks you are sweet, I don't know when last I have had a good cry but today is the day. excellent ! On one the best ways . If you feel like your mind is splitting get a bag of ice and place it on your forehead , it works great !
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 20, 2023 15:02:34 GMT -5
Somewhere else online, there was discussion that many current professing people are claiming that the notification letters from the overseers are fakes being sent by bitter ex members. For those of us living outside the cult, it's hard to remember just how brainwashed the workers really have everyone. Absolutley not TRUE ! As police are scrambling ! Believe me they are going crazy with calls coming in . I just completed my paperwork for law enforcement . This situation is extremely BAD !!!! I should be a bitter ex , however there are some great souls in the Truth !! Not true at all , or I would have fired one off . We are doing this legally . But we need to catch our breath under the control of worker’s totally .
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Post by jonathan on May 20, 2023 15:17:38 GMT -5
Somewhere else online, there was discussion that many current professing people are claiming that the notification letters from the overseers are fakes being sent by bitter ex members. For those of us living outside the cult, it's hard to remember just how brainwashed the workers really have everyone. No, they are for real. The deafening silence from some of them is also real! Is there a specific one there is doubt about?
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 20, 2023 15:32:17 GMT -5
I think law enforcement across Canada have verified this . No I actually know they are not from bitter ex’s Believe me it’s a -hit show . I am so glad they wear suits , uniformed cops would be a problem . Because they are in and out of my apartment building often ! Funny thought which bitter ex wrote M.H. Letter . Lmao
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Post by christiansburg on May 20, 2023 20:45:57 GMT -5
Somewhere else online, there was discussion that many current professing people are claiming that the notification letters from the overseers are fakes being sent by bitter ex members. For those of us living outside the cult, it's hard to remember just how brainwashed the workers really have everyone. These letters are no fake. Our overseer in this state sent e-mails to all here and it was exactly as what was posted on line.
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Post by jonathan on May 21, 2023 0:02:39 GMT -5
If there is any doubt, send the msg to the o/s ask him to confirm.
That's what I did with one particular mag, as I anticipated this kind of attempt to dispute the facts in the msg by casting doubt on the authenticity.
When people are in denial, it's like wanting a blind person to see.
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Post by Pragmatic on May 21, 2023 0:59:51 GMT -5
If there is any doubt, send the msg to the o/s ask him to confirm. That's what I did with one particular mag, as I anticipated this kind of attempt to dispute the facts in the msg by casting doubt on the authenticity. When people are in denial, it's like wanting a blind person to see. Seriously, some people are so brainwashed, they need de-programming. Just like used to happen with the Moonies, and still happens today with ex-Exclusive Brethren. I know, I have some family members like that.
It's no different to trying to convert a fundamentalist Islamist to Christianity. Hardly a hope in hades.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 21, 2023 3:09:38 GMT -5
One of the reasons these atrocities have flourished in your fellowship is because people as yourself didn't want to hear any negativity regarding your group, you are living in a bubble. As Christians we can't just ignore atrocities committed amongst us.One of the reasons Christianity is evil spoken of is because some Christians turned a blind eye to crimes and public sins amongst themselves.If none of us wanted to face these negative thing's and do something about them, just imagine how much worse this world would be! There is a big difference between having a negative outlook versus standing up for what's right, you should know this. I didn't read your WA to X, I don't intend to, if you have a issue with what I said you can discuss it as a mature adult with me. On the other hand you could have just humbly ignored the message if you didn't agree. You made a mountain out of a molls hill. You need to choose your battles carefully... Kind regards. X What part of a moll is her hill? Asking for a friend.
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Post by jonathan on May 21, 2023 8:27:22 GMT -5
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Post by Umfolozi on May 21, 2023 10:46:51 GMT -5
One of the reasons these atrocities have flourished in your fellowship is because people as yourself didn't want to hear any negativity regarding your group, you are living in a bubble. As Christians we can't just ignore atrocities committed amongst us.One of the reasons Christianity is evil spoken of is because some Christians turned a blind eye to crimes and public sins amongst themselves.If none of us wanted to face these negative thing's and do something about them, just imagine how much worse this world would be! There is a big difference between having a negative outlook versus standing up for what's right, you should know this. I didn't read your WA to X, I don't intend to, if you have a issue with what I said you can discuss it as a mature adult with me. On the other hand you could have just humbly ignored the message if you didn't agree. You made a mountain out of a molls hill. You need to choose your battles carefully... Kind regards. X What part of a moll is her hill? Asking for a friend. Ok just go ahead and make fun of my English mistakes!😉 Another reason why it is good for me to hang out here from time 2 time-free English lessons🤣
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Post by openingact34 on May 21, 2023 13:53:10 GMT -5
If there is any doubt, send the msg to the o/s ask him to confirm. That's what I did with one particular mag, as I anticipated this kind of attempt to dispute the facts in the msg by casting doubt on the authenticity. When people are in denial, it's like wanting a blind person to see. Some of it is surely denial and in contradiction to decades of deep indoctrination. But I also wonder if this is just all being done through letters, and when people actually go to meeting and gospel meeting it is never spoken of. Must feel like two separate realities
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 21, 2023 14:01:24 GMT -5
What part of a moll is her hill? Asking for a friend. Ok just go ahead and make fun of my English mistakes!😉 Another reason why it is good for me to hang out here from time 2 time-free English lessons🤣 Well that was a really good mistake which brought a god laugh from me. If it's just a basic spelling mistake I would hardly bother unless it's Wally whose job it is on here to teach spelling.
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Post by neighbour on May 21, 2023 14:03:03 GMT -5
Ok just go ahead and make fun of my English mistakes!😉 Another reason why it is good for me to hang out here from time 2 time-free English lessons🤣 Well that was a really good mistake which brought a god laugh from me. If it's just a basic spelling mistake I would hardly bother unless it's Wally whose job it is on here to teach spelling. What does a God laugh sound like? 🤣
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Post by jonathan on May 21, 2023 14:03:10 GMT -5
If there is any doubt, send the msg to the o/s ask him to confirm. That's what I did with one particular mag, as I anticipated this kind of attempt to dispute the facts in the msg by casting doubt on the authenticity. When people are in denial, it's like wanting a blind person to see. Some of it is surely denial and in contradiction to decades of deep indoctrination. But I also wonder if this is just all being done through letters, and when people actually go to meeting and gospel meeting it is never spoken of. Must feel like two separate realities I'm sure this would be the case in at least some places! Even the seminar held in Texas recently won't show much results for a while, but at least it is a start! Hopefully it won't be too long before we see the desired change in attitude, understanding and handling of abuse matters.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 21, 2023 14:05:18 GMT -5
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 21, 2023 14:06:07 GMT -5
Well that was a really good mistake which brought a god laugh from me. If it's just a basic spelling mistake I would hardly bother unless it's Wally whose job it is on here to teach spelling. What does a God laugh sound like? 🤣 Go and stand outside during a thunderstorm and tell me what you hear.
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Post by jonathan on May 21, 2023 14:23:14 GMT -5
Quite a lustrous career she had! No I had no idea what or who or where Moll is. Interesting, thank you!
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2023 13:17:42 GMT -5
Ok just go ahead and make fun of my English mistakes!😉 Another reason why it is good for me to hang out here from time 2 time-free English lessons🤣 Well that was a really good mistake which brought a god laugh from me. If it's just a basic spelling mistake I would hardly bother unless it's Wally whose job it is on here to teach spelling. Handed off to me by Gene, I won't let him down...
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Post by snow on May 28, 2023 13:19:18 GMT -5
Well that was a really good mistake which brought a god laugh from me. If it's just a basic spelling mistake I would hardly bother unless it's Wally whose job it is on here to teach spelling. Handed off to me by Gene, I won't let him down... Whatever happened to Gene @wally
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