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Post by CherieKropp on Apr 27, 2023 8:25:14 GMT -5
Jack Carroll succinctly framed their way, "There are two fundamentals of the faith of Jesus that are vital to a true understanding and interpretation as recorded in the New Testament. First, is the church in the home, and in the home only, and secondly, the preacher without a home. These two are foundational. We cannot, we dare not, depart from either of them" (J. Carroll 1951, TTT). Referring to Carroll's definition of the word vital, Magowan differed, "That is like saying that the two main parts of a motor car are the horn and the signalling arm." The definition for the noun fundamental in Webster's New International Dictionary of the English Language (1911) is: "A principle, rule, law or article which serves as the groundwork of a system; an essential part; as the fundamentals of Christian faith." Entire sermon: tellingthetruth.info/workers_early/carrolls2.php#arizonaIt's also on Truth Archive somewhere...
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Post by mountain on Apr 27, 2023 11:34:23 GMT -5
Jack Carroll succinctly framed their way, "There are two fundamentals of the faith of Jesus that are vital to a true understanding and interpretation as recorded in the New Testament. First, is the church in the home, and in the home only, and secondly, the preacher without a home. These two are foundational. We cannot, we dare not, depart from either of them" (J. Carroll 1951, TTT). Referring to Carroll's definition of the word vital, Magowan differed, "That is like saying that the two main parts of a motor car are the horn and the signalling arm." The definition for the noun fundamental in Webster's New International Dictionary of the English Language (1911) is: "A principle, rule, law or article which serves as the groundwork of a system; an essential part; as the fundamentals of Christian faith." Entire sermon: tellingthetruth.info/workers_early/carrolls2.php#arizonaIt's also on Truth Archive somewhere... Is Jack Carroll not the worker who in his upper years, whilst still preaching, stayed in a house in Rosebud, Victoria, Australia, and had several female workers acting as housemaids? Or have my brain cells become hot-wired again?
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Post by CherieKropp on Apr 27, 2023 11:41:36 GMT -5
No, that was his bro William "Bill".
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Post by mountain on Apr 27, 2023 11:46:10 GMT -5
No, that was his bro William "Bill". Many thanks Cherie. So Bill forgot about 'These two are foundational. We cannot, we dare not, depart from either of them?"
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Post by Admin on Apr 27, 2023 22:00:15 GMT -5
The faith " of Jesus"? Not our faith "in Jesus"? Jesus spoke of his faith in e.g. John ch. 5: "Jesus gave them this answer: "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does." Jesus' faith was IN HIS FATHER, GOD while he lived on the earth as our example, to likewise live and walk through life with our faith and trust IN GOD. Jesus spoke nothing about his faith being fundamentally in "the church in the home, and the preacher without a home". "Referring to Carroll's definition of the word vital, Magowan differed, "That is like saying that the two main parts of a motor car are the horn and the signalling arm"." Where is Magowan when we need him?? (who exactly was Magowan, CherieKropp?)
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Post by Admin on Apr 27, 2023 22:03:56 GMT -5
No, that was his bro William "Bill". Many thanks Cherie. So Bill forgot about 'These two are foundational. We cannot, we dare not, depart from either of them?" Seems there was a bit of a rift in the family, mountain. Read for example, Bill Carroll on Romans professing.proboards.com/post/1044393/thread Rather different from brother Jack's doctrine.
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Post by CherieKropp on Apr 29, 2023 8:07:44 GMT -5
The faith " of Jesus"? Not our faith "in Jesus"? Jesus spoke of his faith in e.g. John ch. 5: "Jesus gave them this answer: "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does." Jesus' faith was IN HIS FATHER, GOD while he lived on the earth as our example, to likewise live and walk through life with our faith and trust IN GOD. Jesus spoke nothing about his faith being fundamentally in "the church in the home, and the preacher without a home". "Referring to Carroll's definition of the word vital, Magowan differed, "That is like saying that the two main parts of a motor car are the horn and the signalling arm"." Where is Magowan when we need him?? (who exactly was Magowan, CherieKropp ?) Who was Alfred Magowan? An early workers - his name is mentioned 119 times in my book! From my book Preserving the Truth, page 82: Profile of Alfred "Alfie" Magowan (often misspelled as McGowan or McGowen). Age 19, Magowan professed in a Gospel Mission held in 1902 by Joe Kerr and Edward Cooney in the Balteagh School, Co. Armagh, Northern Ireland. He immigrated to America in 1903, destination Detroit, Michigan, occupation bookkeeper. Around 1907, he entered the Work. John Burns is shown as his Co-worker on the 1907 Pittsburgh US Convention List. When Magowan (age 24), and John Burns (age 19) held their first Gospel Mission in Kentucky in October 1907, they only had $5.00 between them. (Magowan July 1, 1957, TTT). Magowan spent twelve years in the Work in Alabama, Indiana, Ohio and Indiana before he married Sister Worker Sarah K. Dawson, also from Ireland, in 1917. They continued preaching as a married Worker couple until Alfred was excommunicated at the 1919 Illinois Convention. See Chapter 28. Sarah, aged 55, died at Rossahilly (John West’s home) on May 30, 1934, and was buried at Sydare Cemetery in Irvinestown, Co. Fermanagh, Ireland. In 1939, Alfred married Isobel Waugh; they had four sons and made their home near Portadown, Co. Armagh, N. Ireland. Born October 24, 1883, in Drumgor, Co. Armagh, Ireland, Alfred died November 13, 1960, aged 73; Isobel died November 11, 2005. Magowan was a prolific letter writer; many quotes from his eloquent writings are included in this book. He published a hymnbook, some essays, and an insightful, fictional play inspired by 2x2 events that he was privy to, titled Outline of the History of a Peculiar People from 1900–1931. See also website TellngTheTruth.info in Publications. "Outline of the History of a Peculiar People from 1900–1931" by Alfred Magowan Alfred Magowan (1883–1960)
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