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Post by Admin on Mar 26, 2023 17:01:03 GMT -5
This thread is to gather together the posts and information of relevance to victims of the shocking Dean Bruer situation, now unfolding in the US amongst the F&W.
All of the TMB community care for you deeply.
Most of us have been victims in some way or other of religious systems and their abusive nature.
Some here are themselves survivors of Child Sexual Abuse (CSA) or of other sexual abuse at the hands of authoritative figures in the F&W church. Ohers have close and dear family members who have suffered.
We think especially of 'Sister Workers' (to use the F&W nomenclature) - dear lady preachers, who have felt a genuine calling, but instead experienced wicked abuse (both sexual and non-sexual) within the church, noting that perpetrators can be both men and women in positions of power and authority.
We hope the information here can be a help. If necessary, I can establish a private area on TMB where survivors, and those with special abilities and personal experience to support you, can meet and discuss.
Those of us who have retained our faith in God have you at the very top of our prayer lists right now.
Stay safe, strong and reach out for the support you need and deserve!
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Post by Admin on Mar 26, 2023 17:11:13 GMT -5
Looks like the poop has hit the fan in the US with another scandal. After reading some gushing comments of the now instantly infamous Mr Bruer one cant help but notice the overwhelming characteristic that made Dean such a wonderful fellow, and that characteristic would be his religious form......kinda shows how religious form isn't worth a crumpet but that's was the dominant factor for his godlike status..... evaluating people on their religious performance is not a good idea and here we have another perfect example why....his religious performance didn't mean đŠ at the end of the day......all that matterers if you be a proper person, everything else is self endulgance. Sorry to drag you into this bob but I remember recently someone evaluating your life based on your lack of religous loyalty and beliefs......turns out it's not a reliable factor and you are mostly likely not the spawn of Satan, who knew......... You also can't tell me people didn't notice odd behaviour....... Feeling sad for the victims and the knock-on effect it most definitely has had on people around the victims....
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Post by Admin on Mar 26, 2023 17:12:22 GMT -5
Are they praying for the victims or themselves and the friends ? It wasnât long ago that someone posted his passing WITH WORDS OF HOW GREAT HE WAS ! Strange that they are thankful he is dead . That doesnât help the victims !!!!!!!!! Overseer no less . Disgusting 𤢠how they clamped down on the letter and it was buried . But it surfaced as they tried to hide it . The victims get no closure as they are not able to confront him and the other workers . Still happening AND IT WILL CONTINUE ! I truly want to 𤢠You canât tell me that others didnât know !!!! Straight up bull-hit . This is going to lawyerâs in YYC Victims donât reach out to workerâs , go to professionalâs who are trained and have resources . We never respect or defend such totally inappropriate behavior among us. That is a lie !
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Post by Admin on Mar 26, 2023 17:14:12 GMT -5
No it doesnât sound like they did . However he traveled extensively for years . There could be victims in Canada and elsewhere . As I stated this is going to legal team . We will never know truly how many victims . Itâs appalling that you just send a letter to those in his field They didnât bury it quick enoughâŚâŚâŚâŚâŚâŚIf you are a victim in Canada please report to crime stoppers . You donât have to give your name . So you can be anonymous if itâs in the best interest of your health and trauma !!!! đ¤˘đ¤˘đ¤˘ I am seeing red , my anger is at the top level . As I said when I first started here , that if I save one person then my job is done .
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Post by Admin on Mar 26, 2023 17:15:28 GMT -5
Yes a can of đ 𪹠Unfortunately those that may have been brutally assaulted donât get the privilege of meeting their offender face to face if they wished to do so . Dean traveled a lot and in different countries . How do you have a workerâs meeting once a year and not discuss MONEY !!!!! The trail of victims could be so many ! I hope this MAY BECOME A EYE OPENER TO MANY My heart goes to the victims âŚ.. I feel their pain . The letter got to me for a reason . This actually makes the cases in Alberta have a better chance of success . From age 2 to 13 I endured CSA . I am 62 and itâs still happening !
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Post by Admin on Mar 26, 2023 17:17:42 GMT -5
1chinesewhispers, I am so sorry for the pain and trauma this is causing you, and for others who will be deeply bewildered, hurt, enraged, confused. This is horrific news of the highest order, as someone said. While I accept that many workers are NOT like this, and many who knew Dean will be shocked and grieved, I and many others continue to see that this SYSTEM is terribly broken and enabling of sexual predators with its secrecy, particularly in regard to opaque finances, and lack of CSA processes. All of you who continue to contribute financially when you have NO IDEA where your money is going or what it is being used for - wake up. You are not supporting a homeless itinerant ministry with no money, you are supporting a secret business worth millions with no accountability. It is producing rotten fruit that is poisoning people. My sympathies and prayers are with all the victims survivors, and those who are suffering grief and trauma at present because of this news.
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Post by Admin on Mar 26, 2023 17:19:29 GMT -5
I think the police are very much involved in this case. From what is stated in the letter it is obvious to me the workers are acting in the third party. They will have avoided mentioning the police, etc., to try and make the whole matter easier to take. The laptop and phone etc, will have been seized by the police. Hopefully they weren't dumb enough to destroy the electronics But so far this has all the hallmarks of a coverup. No mention of what organizations victims can contact for help. No mention of "contact Detective so and so if you have been a victim or have information" Just request of "come talk to US" (the workers) Emphasis on how he is no longer in a position to hurt anyone, so case closed! And a letter which claims to display transparency and wants to reach all the victims but is being shown eyes-only to select elders.
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Post by Admin on Mar 26, 2023 17:21:11 GMT -5
Just a little insider info that just popped upâŚâŚâŚâŚâŚ.. CSA !! I would just like to emphasize something here. ***SOMEONE BRAVELY broke the news of Doyle's letter and brought it into the open*** Because you all shared it, professing people now know about Dean's abuse in no uncertain terms. *That letter was never going to be released to professing people*. It was never intended to be shown them. Now because of the brave people here showing the letter to friends and family, posting it, talking about it... the friends know. And more children and victims can be protected and hopefully have the support they need to come forward. I'm proud of every one of you and thank you to those (you know who you are who helped us track down and access the letter. ENOUGH of the covering up and hiding abuse!! Again I have provided a case id number .
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Post by Admin on Mar 26, 2023 17:23:12 GMT -5
So I am going to disengage from here now . Why ? As some people know I am presently in a court case for rape ! I am the victim . My doctor and team are doing their best to protect me . They have gone as far as making sure my Health is not further compromised . I will not be in court it will be CCTV from a secure location . I have two lovely ladies that are here 24/7 for me . The timing of this reveal of Dean NIGHTMARE IS INSANE ! Could derail me if I stay on here . I have lost 27lbs and I am having blood transfusions . Which will happen again in about a week . This is the devastation of CSA I know the (my) offender VERY WELL ! Once again if you live in Canada and wish to report something here is the ID number again Tip ID: 183-M90150 It has been uploaded to CPIC which is all across Canada . Anonymous if you are scared or worried . My mental health needs to improve and this is not helping . I donât want to occupy a bed for 3-5 days on psychiatric ward . My heart goes out to all effected by this scum bag . Please reach out if you are struggling . We have many resources available in Calgary . I hope this ugly betrayal is handled properly and the victims are taken care of with The Truths money đ° . Breathe !
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Post by Admin on Mar 26, 2023 17:25:52 GMT -5
Not a word, the only place I see it is here and wings... Its all over bookface, laptop has been handed into the cops, dont see why the person who reported this would lie.... "Sheriff has confirmed that the laptop was handed in this morning. If youâre like me you can breathe a sigh of relief that a case is open. Edited to add: Clackamas County Sheriff's office can be reached at 503-655-8211 for victims or information regarding the case. Case number is 23-006111."
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Post by Admin on Mar 26, 2023 17:28:29 GMT -5
Dissociative Personality Disorder: How It Really Affects You ! ⢠Psychiatry separation of some aspects of mental functioning from conscious awareness, leading to a degree of mental dysfunction or to mental conditions including dissociative identity disorder This is exactly how it is . I put my phone down and went to sleep . Like many yes MANY survivors have probably used after this I thought about a rope , handfuls of pills so I would just nod off !! However I dissociate instead . This has probably happened to some on here . Go to your safe space to protect your mental health . Others COULD BE AT RISK NOW WITH VISIONS RUNNING THROUGHOUT THEY PSYCH ! They may act to stop the pain . Go to a care center please . Please support the victims at this time . Yes it has affected me in a horrible way and I am not the only one Verna . I have two hooliganisms that required breakfast at 6 AM So I have to get up , and put one foot forward to the other . But I dissociate myself thankfully , put my phone down and slept . Thankfully I can do so . Please send love via air to those abused by this man ! Call 911 or whatever service you require . Send the bill to the overseers Please seek help if needed . If you canât afford it pm me ! You will be covered in Canada đ¨đŚ Please support the survivors
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Post by Admin on Mar 26, 2023 17:30:56 GMT -5
Bruer has escaped temporal justice. However in cases such as this it can turn out to be a spider's web or network of sexually deviant operatives spanning across not just States but also the World (if you consider a person's ability to travel). That is not to say this case goes beyond Bruer but I believe there is every likelihood that it does. Whilst others may be found amongst the unsaved, there could well be perpetrators and victims within the group. Would any sister worker who has been a victim be willing to come forward and tell all, bringing shame on the group and strangely on herself, with all the implications that would have for the group and herself? That would be the end of professing for her, one way or another. Laptops and phones are oft used communication devices in these matters and provide invaluable evidential data. I wouldn't get worked up about what the workers disclose or don't disclose and to whom at this stage. It's irrelevant and an unnecessary distraction. This matter, for the time being is way above their heads and abilities. With ongoing investigations it is best they shut up and let the authorities get on with their work. The workers should be cooperating with and following guidance from the police, so they will be subject to their advice. The demise of Bruer could bring a fairly swift cessation to proceedings unless other living culprits come out the bag. Normally at the beginning of these type of cases the hope is that the matter is confined to one or two suspects (for ease of investigation amongst other matters), but in most cases a can of worms is opened with far more tentacles than an octopus. By the sounds of it many sister workers are stepping up.
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Post by Admin on Mar 26, 2023 17:32:04 GMT -5
By the sounds of it many sister workers are stepping up. I hope you are right. Changed days if so. Badly needed. (Vernz)
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Post by Admin on Mar 26, 2023 17:33:22 GMT -5
I hope you are right. Changed days if so. Badly needed. (Vernz) This is heartbreaking đ for all victims . Please reach out to resources available .
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Post by Admin on Mar 26, 2023 17:34:42 GMT -5
By the sounds of it many sister workers are stepping up. I vaguely recall that Bruer attended NZ and OZ conventions. Which makes me wonder whether he offended here. His offending seems to be a lot like that other cult leader in Waco.
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Post by Admin on Mar 26, 2023 17:38:32 GMT -5
Youâre right, Wally. This is a serious & intense situation, if true. However, the âsourceâ of this information isnât confirmed. Itâs hasty to judge someone guilty until the facts are known. It would be easy to get the facts right now, but the whole thing is so upsetting. I have no desire to discuss this with any local friends right now (perhaps never) because the thought of this being true makes me physically sick. Iâd rather let it all play out on its own. But, I agreeâŚ.the âsourceâ of the letter sounds off. I could be wrong though (I often am!) Just so you know the laptop and phone were handed in by the workers to the Oregon Sheriff's office.
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Post by Admin on Mar 26, 2023 17:39:53 GMT -5
Whereâd you find thatâŚ.online? I donât see it on the Clackamas County Sheriffs website. Wondering where you got that from. From the private investigator that is responsible for having the workers hand over the computer to authorities. It was the disclosure of the letter to many exes that contacted family about the letter that finally got the head workers to turn over the laptop to the police. They couldn't hide it anymore from the friends because too many had received the letter. What I just posted is not on the Clackamas County website but is a recommendation from the Sheriffs office to get the contact information out to the friends and ex 2x2's because they don't have a list of all the members. This will make the information available to those who need it faster so those who might have information and/or are victims can have the numbers to call for help or give information. If you have any doubts I would suggest you get a hold of the Clackamas Sheriff's department using the numbers given to make sure it's a real case if you still have doubts that this is really happening.
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Post by Admin on Mar 26, 2023 17:42:50 GMT -5
Dean Bruer The late Dean Eldon Bruer was a sexual predator. Virtual Memorial Gatherings has voluntarily removed his memorial tribute posted here and we provide the following information. A case has been opened by the Clackamas County Sherriff, 9101 SE Sunnybrook Blvd, Clackamas, OR 97015, United States Case Number: 23-006111 Phone Number: 503-655-8211 Resources published by the US Department of Health & Human Services Child Welfare Information Gateway: Child Sexual Abuse Darkness to Light Phone: 866.FOR.LIGHT (866.367.5444) People They Help: Children and adults needing local information or resources about sexual abuse Rape/Incest Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network (RAINN) Phone: 800.656.HOPE (800.656.4673) People They Help: Rape and incest victims, media, policymakers, concerned individuals
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Post by Admin on Mar 26, 2023 17:44:23 GMT -5
That will happen yet. No way are the authorities going to accept the word of a worker saying the phone was wiped and given to someone else without checking out the matter. Getting the phone would be awesome . Many people believe when they wipe a phone the data is gone . However the specialists in the police will be able to retrieve the data . It has landed many in jail by their own words , texts and messages . They will get the phone . But the workerâs having legal representation already , is disturbing đł . It is almost like they know they are in trouble . A big huge thank you to the person that kept a copy of the letter . The thought of the steps of a private investigator is phenomenal and due diligence has brought this out . PLEASE FOCUS ON THE VICTIMS !!!!! It is a horrible experience and they will carry that trauma for the rest of their life .
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Post by Admin on Mar 26, 2023 17:45:27 GMT -5
Agreed ! We are playing the waiting game . Unfortunately the workerâs have lawyered up . People who are not guilty donât usually lawyerup quickly . They donât want any more information coming up . 50 years of that behavior is going to take time . Again if you are a VICTIM please speak if you can . I have provided a ID NUMBER FOR VICTIMS AND YOU CAN REMAIN ANONYMOUS . It is sad that people are terrified if they act . The trauma of a sexual assault stays with you forever .
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Post by Admin on Mar 26, 2023 17:46:35 GMT -5
Another notification letter: Possibly by Rob Newman for CA/AZ workers (mentions "California Child Abuse Mandated Reporter Training") Please do not forward this letter. We would prefer that this letter not be directly shared with others to avoid needlessly harming anyone through indiscretion. Recently Doyle Smith and Scott Rauscher shared some very unfortunate and difficult information with us. We feel it imperative that we share this information with you in an effort to be transparent. We want you to be aware of this situation in Oregon and Montana so that when it comes up in conversation you will know these facts that have come to light in recent days. I would have rather visited each of you in person but time does not allow. We stand with our brethren in these matters. Considering how serious and shocking these facts are, we should be aware that this may deeply affect some of our friends. It would be good if we can be ready with His help to answer and comfort our friends who are trying to understand how this could have happened, and to point them to the One who has the answers. We should also mention the following: ⢠Programs such as the âCalifornia Child Abuse Mandated Reporter Trainingâ will help us to understand, recognize, and prevent such problems. ⢠I will send an email to the elders in your fields shortly. They may wish to visit with you. If it makes it easier, they may call me or one of the older brothers on our staff. ⢠We need to be discrete so as not to hurt anyone involved or affected, while in no way allowing any inappropriate behavior to go unreported. ⢠If you learn of any victims, it is important to do your utmost to keep their identities private for their personal protection. Doyle very helpfully concluded his letter with the following paragraph: We sang recently, "All through the storm I see thy face beaming with love and with saving grace." Our desperate prayer for you all, especially anyone that has been hurt, is that G. will show Himself very strong. In Mark 4, the disciples found themselves in the worst storm of their life which caused a lot of distress. But at the conclusion of the storm there was a greater appreciation than ever for the miracle capacity Jesus had to deliver perfect peace despite storms. Our hearts desperately ache for the disappointment and sense of betrayal this will bring to countless hearts and again especially for the pain inflicted to victims. We pray the miracle somehow, someway, someday, will be as great as it was in Mark 4 for all. Keep close to God dear friends. There is an immense capacity in the hand of God to help us. Thank you for all the prayers we know this will generate!
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Post by Admin on Mar 26, 2023 17:51:52 GMT -5
Unbelievable , well not really " we should be aware that this may deeply affect some of our friends. It would be good if we can be ready with His help to answer and comfort our friends who are trying to understand how this could have happened, and to point them to the One who has the answers." What about the victims ? No prayers are going to help the victims . It is cruel , as more than the FRIENDS ARE DEALING WITH THIS ! Why so secretive ?
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Post by Admin on Mar 26, 2023 17:57:26 GMT -5
Verna, hey. in our State Victoria,we have had a huge amount of Bro/Sister sexual predators. Since 1920's it has been known many active 2x2 preachers have been sexual' lesbian/homosexual but worst is the number of Paedophiles (mentally disordered) child molesters(not just male). As teens we at convention talk about which Preacher we were scared to come to our districts that year. Not long ago in this State TWO preachers were given jail terms,multiple victims!!! One was used to counsil victims of preacher predators. It was known in our district of a young mans dad belting with a shovel. He found out he was homosexual. SO WHERE DO YOU HIDE THEM??? He went into the 2x2 ministry. Some years later he was one of 2 plus an ex'preacher named by a then grown man as to why he developed bi-polar psych disorder. After this this man suicided. In 1,Corinthians 9 V 3-6 Paul made ti clear that the disciples took their wives on their travels. He and Barnabas were the only 2 unmarried. Place people into a natural situation they were able to live a natural life. Place the unatural (unbiblical demand for celibacy) in the unatural situation they can keep and hide their unatural and mentally disordered paedophilia,and going into homes with children to them a smorgasboard. Not one sentence here is fictional. We used to talk about the Roman Catholic Priests but they worked in the unbiblical unatural celebate ministry also!!! There is now a place to go. The hotline for victims to speak with the PI is: 503-386-4634 It is a 24-hour hotline and all tips and messages will be confidential. The PI does NOT work with the church and is working with law enforcement in multiple states. You can call or text.
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Post by Admin on Mar 26, 2023 18:00:38 GMT -5
Verna I am so worried for so many of the friends . Yes Verna the TRUTH NEEDS TO COME OUT ! Especially the ones I message with every day ! One is 93 years old . I will be at my doctor tomorrow . I am physically sick 𤢠Take care of yourself. I am worried and sick about this too.
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Post by Admin on Mar 26, 2023 18:11:24 GMT -5
Sunday Morning 3/26/2023So, No names were mentioned nor the "act of CSA" that happened. BUT Just about everyone spoke about what has happened in various ways. This has reached the US East Coast, Our Northern Border, our Southern Border and beyond for sure, nothing is being hidden. Everyone has to deal with it in some way whether a victim of CSA or not. I offered up what ES told me years ago about this very subject. Most rejected it here when I posted it long ago, so I won't bother repeating it. A tearful and sober meeting to say the least... Thank you for sharing Wally . It most certainly would be a sad meeting . Many go about their day in a kind way . This is a very traumatizing experience for all , the victims and the people still in the way and ex 2X2âs . Itâs is out and across Canada . It is overseas and many other places . The one and only thing I want to see is THE VICTIMS BEING SUPPORTED AND NOT SHUNNED OR CALLED LIARS ! Let it proceed in court and make sure those who knew are held accountable . Just praying for the victims a lot . CSA can ruin you for life . I am waiting for a call as to the gospel meetings in Calgary presently .
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Post by Admin on Mar 27, 2023 8:27:35 GMT -5
I have to wonder if any of his victims tried to come forward in the past only to be dismissed or told to "forgive" and stay quiet. If no victims tried to come forward, that is, imo, just as damning of the 2x2 culture. Senior workers claiming they knew nothing is not a good look, and, imo, not especially believable. This has brought "mangochango" back to mind; I hope she is doing ok.
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Post by Admin on Mar 27, 2023 8:28:28 GMT -5
I have to wonder if any of his victims tried to come forward in the past only to be dismissed or told to "forgive" and stay quiet.If no victims tried to come forward, that is, imo, just as damning of the 2x2 culture. Senior workers claiming they knew nothing is not a good look, and, imo, not especially believable. This has brought "mangochango" back to mind; I hope she is doing ok. I was told to just let it be . Donât talk about it , it will be dealt with in your/their book of life , right before being baptized !
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Post by Admin on Mar 28, 2023 18:34:18 GMT -5
From what I have heard they were adults? Anyone that knows different please correct me if I'm wrong. That's one thing wrong with the system. We were raised to believe elders and workers would never do such a thing and their word would be taken over ours because they could do no wrong. I think that has changed now to some degree, but when I was a kid in the 50's and 60's that was the understanding for sure. I've said this before. I told my dad once about CSA that was mentioned here. He said you were all liars. The attitude I grew up with is that if a worker had ever abused me that I would have been my fault for enticing them somehow. Just how my parents thought. Workers are never wrong.
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