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Post by snow on Jan 3, 2024 19:12:02 GMT -5
The first people in the world would have been human like us, I don't believe we came from Apes. And the Bible is the truth, just because you don't believe it doesn't mean it isn't. People don't understand it so they don't believe but it's a Spiritual book written by men inspired of God. There's no such thing naturally as a tree of the knowledge of good and evil. It's Spiritual, there's no sword that's literally on fire, again it's Spiritual. Jesus said he was a door, he's not a literal door, he's the way in. He's not a literal rock those are obvious ones. The Bible is full of deeper meanings and they are all Spiritual. And yes I believe the world is millions if not billions of years old. Once again Maryhig, we are apes, not "come from apes" Your abrahamic account of the beginning of the world is just one of many myths about the beginnings. They have one thing in common and that is they are all just myths. All the evidence available does not point to any truth in the myth you follow or any of the others. I love the irony of the name "Truth Meetings Board" We are apes that embrace our inner fish!
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Post by snow on Jan 3, 2024 19:16:45 GMT -5
Once again Maryhig, we are apes, not "come from apes" Your abrahamic account of the beginning of the world is just one of many myths about the beginnings. They have one thing in common and that is they are all just myths. All the evidence available does not point to any truth in the myth you follow or any of the others. I love the irony of the name "Truth Meetings Board" Well, to me being an atheist is unbelievable considering we have so much evidence, we have life and creation so something must have created us and given us life. But oh yes, we just exploded into existence from nothing. I think believing in God makes more sense than believing we came from nothing! Well if God can do it why not us? No one ever said we came from nothing. We are literally made of elements of the universe. The trouble is people have decided that a judgmental God is the creator and that God will send us to hell if we do something he doesn't like. I am 100% sure that of all the Gods mankind have dreamed up, the Christian God is no more probable than any of the others. Is there a creator of all things? Possibly, but you can bet it's not some petty being that cares how you dress, who you have sex with or any of the rules religions have dreamed up to follow so you don't offend that particular God.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 3, 2024 20:50:19 GMT -5
Well, to me being an atheist is unbelievable considering we have so much evidence, we have life and creation so something must have created us and given us life. But oh yes, we just exploded into existence from nothing. I think believing in God makes more sense than believing we came from nothing! Well if God can do it why not us? No one ever said we came from nothing. We are literally made of elements of the universe. The trouble is people have decided that a judgmental God is the creator and that God will send us to hell if we do something he doesn't like. I am 100% sure that of all the Gods mankind have dreamed up, the Christian God is no more probable than any of the others. Is there a creator of all things? Possibly, but you can bet it's not some petty being that cares how you dress, who you have sex with or any of the rules religions have dreamed up to follow so you don't offend that particular God. In the beginning there was hydrogen and helium. Using Big Bang models, it is possible to calculate the expected concentration of the isotopes helium-4 (4He), helium-3 (3He), deuterium (2H), and lithium-7 (7Li) in the universe as ratios to the amount of ordinary hydrogen.[34] The relative abundances depend on a single parameter, the ratio of photons to baryons. This value can be calculated independently from the detailed structure of CMB fluctuations. The ratios predicted (by mass, not by abundance) are about 0.25 for 4He:H, about 10−3 for 2H:H, about 10−4 for 3He:H, and about 10−9 for 7Li:H.[34] The measured abundances all agree at least roughly with those predicted from a single value of the baryon-to-photon ratio. The agreement is excellent for deuterium, close but formally discrepant for 4He, and off by a factor of two for 7Li (this anomaly is known as the cosmological lithium problem); in the latter two cases, there are substantial systematic uncertainties. Nonetheless, the general consistency with abundances predicted by BBN is strong evidence for the Big Bang, as the theory is the only known explanation for the relative abundances of light elements, and it is virtually impossible to "tune" the Big Bang to produce much more or less than 20–30% helium.[101] Indeed, there is no obvious reason outside of the Big Bang that, for example, the young universe before star formation, as determined by studying matter supposedly free of stellar nucleosynthesis products, should have more helium than deuterium or more deuterium than 3He, and in constant ratios, too.[102]: 182–185
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2024 21:13:00 GMT -5
Well if God can do it why not us? No one ever said we came from nothing. We are literally made of elements of the universe. The trouble is people have decided that a judgmental God is the creator and that God will send us to hell if we do something he doesn't like. I am 100% sure that of all the Gods mankind have dreamed up, the Christian God is no more probable than any of the others. Is there a creator of all things? Possibly, but you can bet it's not some petty being that cares how you dress, who you have sex with or any of the rules religions have dreamed up to follow so you don't offend that particular God. In the beginning there was hydrogen and helium. Using Big Bang models, it is possible to calculate the expected concentration of the isotopes helium-4 (4He), helium-3 (3He), deuterium (2H), and lithium-7 (7Li) in the universe as ratios to the amount of ordinary hydrogen.[34] The relative abundances depend on a single parameter, the ratio of photons to baryons. This value can be calculated independently from the detailed structure of CMB fluctuations. The ratios predicted (by mass, not by abundance) are about 0.25 for 4He:H, about 10−3 for 2H:H, about 10−4 for 3He:H, and about 10−9 for 7Li:H.[34] The measured abundances all agree at least roughly with those predicted from a single value of the baryon-to-photon ratio. The agreement is excellent for deuterium, close but formally discrepant for 4He, and off by a factor of two for 7Li (this anomaly is known as the cosmological lithium problem); in the latter two cases, there are substantial systematic uncertainties. Nonetheless, the general consistency with abundances predicted by BBN is strong evidence for the Big Bang, as the theory is the only known explanation for the relative abundances of light elements, and it is virtually impossible to "tune" the Big Bang to produce much more or less than 20–30% helium.[101] Indeed, there is no obvious reason outside of the Big Bang that, for example, the young universe before star formation, as determined by studying matter supposedly free of stellar nucleosynthesis products, should have more helium than deuterium or more deuterium than 3He, and in constant ratios, too.[102]: 182–185 Some of this would be true if things are always constant, which ironically "scientists" have proven not to be true 100%.
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Post by maryhig on Jan 4, 2024 0:42:27 GMT -5
Think about it, Adam was already in the flesh, it says God opened up the flesh of Adam and took a rib. This was all before he covered them in skins. It's Spiritual, Adam was already a man and Eve was a woman. It's got a deeper meaning. Also there were other people there at the time of Adam with him, he wasn't the first man created. Cain was able to get a wife from another land because there was other people there. And also, we are dust, just as Adam was. So Adam had a bellybutton. And so did Eve. Yes your belief that they were born not created then makes sense why you think they should have umbilical cords. But most Christians believe that Adam was made from dust and breathed into and eve was from Adam's rib and created as an adult woman. They would have no need for belly buttons if that is what is believed. I believe that too but I see it very differently.
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Post by maryhig on Jan 4, 2024 0:48:44 GMT -5
Well, to me being an atheist is unbelievable considering we have so much evidence, we have life and creation so something must have created us and given us life. But oh yes, we just exploded into existence from nothing. I think believing in God makes more sense than believing we came from nothing! Well if God can do it why not us? No one ever said we came from nothing. We are literally made of elements of the universe. The trouble is people have decided that a judgmental God is the creator and that God will send us to hell if we do something he doesn't like. I am 100% sure that of all the Gods mankind have dreamed up, the Christian God is no more probable than any of the others. Is there a creator of all things? Possibly, but you can bet it's not some petty being that cares how you dress, who you have sex with or any of the rules religions have dreamed up to follow so you don't offend that particular God. So what about God who created everything? No denomination, no religion, just God? Could you not even see that God can be there without any religion involved? Also who you have sex with? What do you mean by that? For instance, if you're married, would you like you husband sleeping with everyone? Those are the kinds of things that Jesus taught against. And he was right. We have to treat others how we would like to be treated ourselves. No matter what I believe, I still would treat someone right, but I'd still tell the truth. And that's what I'd want others to do to me.
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Post by maryhig on Jan 4, 2024 0:50:01 GMT -5
Well, to me being an atheist is unbelievable considering we have so much evidence, we have life and creation so something must have created us and given us life. But oh yes, we just exploded into existence from nothing. I think believing in God makes more sense than believing we came from nothing! It seems that only the religious spout this "exploded into existence from nothing" The facts of the matter are that all the matter present today was contained in the "big bang" That is certainly not nothing. Now go and read about that for a few weeks or months until you understand it. Curly we can't just appear even if the bang was massive. We've been created as has everything around us. Everything is too complex not to have been created.
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Post by maryhig on Jan 4, 2024 0:54:23 GMT -5
Well if God can do it why not us? No one ever said we came from nothing. We are literally made of elements of the universe. The trouble is people have decided that a judgmental God is the creator and that God will send us to hell if we do something he doesn't like. I am 100% sure that of all the Gods mankind have dreamed up, the Christian God is no more probable than any of the others. Is there a creator of all things? Possibly, but you can bet it's not some petty being that cares how you dress, who you have sex with or any of the rules religions have dreamed up to follow so you don't offend that particular God. In the beginning there was hydrogen and helium. Using Big Bang models, it is possible to calculate the expected concentration of the isotopes helium-4 (4He), helium-3 (3He), deuterium (2H), and lithium-7 (7Li) in the universe as ratios to the amount of ordinary hydrogen.[34] The relative abundances depend on a single parameter, the ratio of photons to baryons. This value can be calculated independently from the detailed structure of CMB fluctuations. The ratios predicted (by mass, not by abundance) are about 0.25 for 4He:H, about 10−3 for 2H:H, about 10−4 for 3He:H, and about 10−9 for 7Li:H.[34] The measured abundances all agree at least roughly with those predicted from a single value of the baryon-to-photon ratio. The agreement is excellent for deuterium, close but formally discrepant for 4He, and off by a factor of two for 7Li (this anomaly is known as the cosmological lithium problem); in the latter two cases, there are substantial systematic uncertainties. Nonetheless, the general consistency with abundances predicted by BBN is strong evidence for the Big Bang, as the theory is the only known explanation for the relative abundances of light elements, and it is virtually impossible to "tune" the Big Bang to produce much more or less than 20–30% helium.[101] Indeed, there is no obvious reason outside of the Big Bang that, for example, the young universe before star formation, as determined by studying matter supposedly free of stellar nucleosynthesis products, should have more helium than deuterium or more deuterium than 3He, and in constant ratios, too.[102]: 182–185 In your post, I got as far as, "in the beginning there was hydrogen and helium." I'll finish that sentence for you, "and these two gases miraculously appeared out of nothing and they came from nowhere." The end. And you think I believe in fairytales!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 4, 2024 1:20:02 GMT -5
It seems that only the religious spout this "exploded into existence from nothing" The facts of the matter are that all the matter present today was contained in the "big bang" That is certainly not nothing. Now go and read about that for a few weeks or months until you understand it. Curly we can't just appear even if the bang was massive. We've been created as has everything around us. Everything is too complex not to have been created. As I have said before, In the beginning there was only hydrogen and helium. . Our planet on which we exist came along about nine billion years after the big bang. Our sun is a third generation sun.
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Post by maryhig on Jan 4, 2024 1:50:01 GMT -5
Curly we can't just appear even if the bang was massive. We've been created as has everything around us. Everything is too complex not to have been created. As I have said before, In the beginning there was only hydrogen and helium. . Our planet on which we exist came along about nine billion years after the big bang. Our sun is a third generation sun. Still, if all that's true, then the hydrogen and the helium had to come from somewhere.
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Post by rk0atheist on Jan 4, 2024 4:51:16 GMT -5
In the beginning there was hydrogen and helium. Using Big Bang models, it is possible to calculate the expected concentration of the isotopes helium-4 (4He), helium-3 (3He), deuterium (2H), and lithium-7 (7Li) in the universe as ratios to the amount of ordinary hydrogen.[34] The relative abundances depend on a single parameter, the ratio of photons to baryons. This value can be calculated independently from the detailed structure of CMB fluctuations. The ratios predicted (by mass, not by abundance) are about 0.25 for 4He:H, about 10−3 for 2H:H, about 10−4 for 3He:H, and about 10−9 for 7Li:H.[34] The measured abundances all agree at least roughly with those predicted from a single value of the baryon-to-photon ratio. The agreement is excellent for deuterium, close but formally discrepant for 4He, and off by a factor of two for 7Li (this anomaly is known as the cosmological lithium problem); in the latter two cases, there are substantial systematic uncertainties. Nonetheless, the general consistency with abundances predicted by BBN is strong evidence for the Big Bang, as the theory is the only known explanation for the relative abundances of light elements, and it is virtually impossible to "tune" the Big Bang to produce much more or less than 20–30% helium.[101] Indeed, there is no obvious reason outside of the Big Bang that, for example, the young universe before star formation, as determined by studying matter supposedly free of stellar nucleosynthesis products, should have more helium than deuterium or more deuterium than 3He, and in constant ratios, too.[102]: 182–185 Some of this would be true if things are always constant, which ironically "scientists" have proven not to be true 100%.
Yes, we know things are not constant. We know the universe is expanding. Edwin Hubble gave us that back in 1929. science.nasa.gov/people/edwin-hubble/
By 1929, Hubble had completely reimagined our place in the universe; not only was it home to millions of other galaxies, but the universe itself was expanding as well. Contrary to the previously held view of a static universe, Hubble ultimately proved that galaxies are, in fact, moving away from us.
If you are going to try to pick holes in science, you should try to be up to speed on the current situation. It is an accepted fact that the universe is expanding. Even a Christian should be able to understand that if something is expanding then in the past it must have been smaller. The problem is that scientists don't know how fast the universe is expanding. This problem is generally referred to as the "Hubble tension" or the "crisis in cosmology". A new possible explanation for the Hubble tension DECEMBER 2, 2023 phys.org/news/2023-12-explanation-hubble-tension.html www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kTe0xRAU1w Dr. Becky New study just made the "crisis in cosmology" WORSE Nov 30, 2023
The so called “crisis in cosmology” (or Hubble tension) is the biggest problem in astrophysics right now, with two main methods for calculating the expansion rate of the Universe, which completely disagree with each other. This month a new study came out pointing out that the Milky Way is found in the Laniakea supercluster of galaxies, a very dense part of the Universe. This throws off our measurements of the velocities with which galaxies appear to be moving away from us due to the expansion rate of the Universe, and if you take this into account properly, you end up making the “crisis in cosmology” WORSE than before…
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Post by rk0atheist on Jan 4, 2024 4:58:22 GMT -5
It seems that only the religious spout this "exploded into existence from nothing" The facts of the matter are that all the matter present today was contained in the "big bang" That is certainly not nothing. Now go and read about that for a few weeks or months until you understand it. Curly we can't just appear even if the bang was massive. We've been created as has everything around us. Everything is too complex not to have been created.
I'm sorry but your lack of scientific education is astounding. I sincerely hope your children and grandchildren received a better education in science than you did.
You don't understand it so you think it is magic. Some of us actually take the time to learn the science. The science is there. You just have to want to learn it.
You just wave your hands and say, "It's magic!"
No, it is not. There is no magic. There is no magic now. There was no magic 2000 years ago. There's not going to be any magic tomorrow.
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Post by rk0atheist on Jan 4, 2024 5:01:48 GMT -5
In the beginning there was hydrogen and helium. Using Big Bang models, it is possible to calculate the expected concentration of the isotopes helium-4 (4He), helium-3 (3He), deuterium (2H), and lithium-7 (7Li) in the universe as ratios to the amount of ordinary hydrogen.[34] The relative abundances depend on a single parameter, the ratio of photons to baryons. This value can be calculated independently from the detailed structure of CMB fluctuations. The ratios predicted (by mass, not by abundance) are about 0.25 for 4He:H, about 10−3 for 2H:H, about 10−4 for 3He:H, and about 10−9 for 7Li:H.[34] The measured abundances all agree at least roughly with those predicted from a single value of the baryon-to-photon ratio. The agreement is excellent for deuterium, close but formally discrepant for 4He, and off by a factor of two for 7Li (this anomaly is known as the cosmological lithium problem); in the latter two cases, there are substantial systematic uncertainties. Nonetheless, the general consistency with abundances predicted by BBN is strong evidence for the Big Bang, as the theory is the only known explanation for the relative abundances of light elements, and it is virtually impossible to "tune" the Big Bang to produce much more or less than 20–30% helium.[101] Indeed, there is no obvious reason outside of the Big Bang that, for example, the young universe before star formation, as determined by studying matter supposedly free of stellar nucleosynthesis products, should have more helium than deuterium or more deuterium than 3He, and in constant ratios, too.[102]: 182–185 In your post, I got as far as, "in the beginning there was hydrogen and helium." I'll finish that sentence for you, "and these two gases miraculously appeared out of nothing and they came from nowhere." The end. And you think I believe in fairytales!
Right, you don't understand it. You just wave your hands and think that will make the things you don't understand go away. It won't.
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Post by rk0atheist on Jan 4, 2024 5:07:26 GMT -5
As I have said before, In the beginning there was only hydrogen and helium. . Our planet on which we exist came along about nine billion years after the big bang. Our sun is a third generation sun. Still, if all that's true, then the hydrogen and the helium had to come from somewhere.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 4, 2024 5:25:09 GMT -5
You know that belly buttons are what's left from a prenatal attachment to a mother. What is wrong with assuming that neither Adam and Eve materialized in that manner? Yes I know what you meant, 😊 but why do you think that Adam and Eve didn't have a natural father and mother?. See I don't believe that they were the first people in the world. I don't believe they were either. It was a rhetorical question for people who believe the Bible is true.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 4, 2024 5:27:27 GMT -5
That's because you had a mother whom you were attached to via the unbilical cord. According to the genesis myth, no woman was involved in either the creation of Adam or Eve. Therefore it would be logical to not have a belly button. Think about it, Adam was already in the flesh, it says God opened up the flesh of Adam and took a rib. This was all before he covered them in skins. It's Spiritual, Adam was already a man and Eve was a woman. It's got a deeper meaning. Also there were other people there at the time of Adam with him, he wasn't the first man created. Cain was able to get a wife from another land because there was other people there. And also, we are dust, just as Adam was. So Adam had a bellybutton. And so did Eve. According to your logic, yes. There's a much more plausibly explanation for according to the Hebrew version of Genesis.
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Post by maryhig on Jan 4, 2024 6:43:45 GMT -5
Curly we can't just appear even if the bang was massive. We've been created as has everything around us. Everything is too complex not to have been created.
I'm sorry but your lack of scientific education is astounding. I sincerely hope your children and grandchildren received a better education in science than you did.
You don't understand it so you think it is magic. Some of us actually take the time to learn the science. The science is there. You just have to want to learn it.
You just wave your hands and say, "It's magic!"
No, it is not. There is no magic. There is no magic now. There was no magic 2000 years ago. There's not going to be any magic tomorrow.
My lack of education is astounding? 😄 You don't need an education to know God, you need the right heart. You need to open your eyes and properly look around you, look how everything works, there's no way that all this creation is and life has come from a bit of helium and hydrogen floating in depths of nowhere. It's too complex, there has to be a greater mind behind creation. I'm not the one who needs educated, I don't need to know about every molecule in the universe to know that God exists, I know he's there, I've had proof in my life, and I've got no doubt whatsoever. Also, the sun burns day after day, year after year, millennium after millennium and never burns out, the moon reflects the sun at night to give us light, the moon also controls the tide of the seas, we have an atmosphere that keeps us alive and protected from the space around us, even burning objects that pass through it to keep us safe. The sun is at the perfect distance to give us life, trees breathe in our poisonous carbon dioxide and breathe out oxygen to keep us living. The rain pours from the sky clean, we pollute the water was it goes up into the clouds is cleansed and then comes back clean again, and the air, given to us fresh every day to give us breathe as we pollute it, yet it's still cleansed. You plant seeds and food grows with the help of the water and the sun that God provides. And you say I need educated? Open your eyes, there's proof that God exists everywhere, there's no way that this has all happened by a blast of helium and hydrogen that came from nowhere! God is there, I hope you see him one day.
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Post by maryhig on Jan 4, 2024 6:46:03 GMT -5
In your post, I got as far as, "in the beginning there was hydrogen and helium." I'll finish that sentence for you, "and these two gases miraculously appeared out of nothing and they came from nowhere." The end. And you think I believe in fairytales!
Right, you don't understand it. You just wave your hands and think that will make the things you don't understand go away. It won't.
And you don't understand God, so you just wave your hands and think that will make God whom you don't understand not be there...... It won't!!
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Post by maryhig on Jan 4, 2024 6:48:31 GMT -5
Still, if all that's true, then the hydrogen and the helium had to come from somewhere.
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Written by an expert, Quantum Physics for Babies is a colorfully simple introduction to the principle that gives quantum physics its name. Babies (and grownups!) will discover that the wild world of atoms never comes to a standstill. With a tongue-in-cheek approach that adults will love, this installment of the Baby University board book series is the perfect way to introduce basic concepts to even the youngest scientists. After all, it's never too early to become a quantum physicist!
To be honest I've got no interest in all that, nether have I got any interest in any big bang, especially because the big bang is just a theory. And you say I don't believe in facts, a theory isn't fact! 🤔 Open your eyes 🧐
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Post by maryhig on Jan 4, 2024 6:49:40 GMT -5
Yes I know what you meant, 😊 but why do you think that Adam and Eve didn't have a natural father and mother?. See I don't believe that they were the first people in the world. I don't believe they were either. It was a rhetorical question for people who believe the Bible is true. I believe that the Bible is true, I just don't see that Adam and Eve were the first people here. Because there was already people here according to the Bible.
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Post by maryhig on Jan 4, 2024 6:52:56 GMT -5
Think about it, Adam was already in the flesh, it says God opened up the flesh of Adam and took a rib. This was all before he covered them in skins. It's Spiritual, Adam was already a man and Eve was a woman. It's got a deeper meaning. Also there were other people there at the time of Adam with him, he wasn't the first man created. Cain was able to get a wife from another land because there was other people there. And also, we are dust, just as Adam was. So Adam had a bellybutton. And so did Eve. According to your logic, yes. There's a much more plausibly explanation for according to the Hebrew version of Genesis. You seem to do that, bring up what the Hebrews believe, what the Jews believe, yet you don't believe in any of it? Why? And, I don't need to guess about Adam and Eve, it tells us clearly in the Bible that there was other people here at the time of Adam and Eve. I don't know how people can't see that?
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Post by rk0atheist on Jan 4, 2024 7:21:49 GMT -5
Also, the sun burns day after day, year after year, millennium after millennium and never burns out,
It will. The Sun will burn out. www.space.com/14732-sun-burns-star-death.html When will the sun die? January 07, 2022
Here's what will happen when our sun dies, billions of years from now.
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Post by maryhig on Jan 4, 2024 7:38:52 GMT -5
Also, the sun burns day after day, year after year, millennium after millennium and never burns out,
It will. The Sun will burn out. www.space.com/14732-sun-burns-star-death.html When will the sun die? January 07, 2022
Here's what will happen when our sun dies, billions of years from now.
Wow, I wonder what's going to keep the sun going for billions of years 🤔
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Post by rk0atheist on Jan 4, 2024 8:07:21 GMT -5
Wow, I wonder what's going to keep the sun going for billions of years 🤔 I sent a link. I'll send it again. It's that hydrogen and helium that curlywurlysammagee was talking about and that you were eager to make fun of. Unlike Christians who can't agree on their own dogma, scientists generally agree on things and when they don't agree, they work together to find out. That's what makes science different from religion.www.space.com/14732-sun-burns-star-death.html
Stars like our sun form when a huge cloud of gas (mostly hydrogen and helium) grows so large that it collapses under its own weight. The pressure is so high in the center of that collapsing mass of gas that the heat reaches unimaginable levels, with temperatures so hot that hydrogen atoms lose their electrons.
Those naked hydrogen atoms then fuse together into helium atoms, and that reaction releases enough energy to counter the intense pressure of gravity collapsing the cloud of gas. The battle between gravity and the energy from fusion reactions fuels our sun and billions of other stars in our galaxy and beyond.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2024 8:50:22 GMT -5
Curly we can't just appear even if the bang was massive. We've been created as has everything around us. Everything is too complex not to have been created.
I'm sorry but your lack of scientific education is astounding. I sincerely hope your children and grandchildren received a better education in science than you did.
You don't understand it so you think it is magic. Some of us actually take the time to learn the science. The science is there. You just have to want to learn it.
You just wave your hands and say, "It's magic!"
No, it is not. There is no magic. There is no magic now. There was no magic 2000 years ago. There's not going to be any magic tomorrow.
surprise headed your way....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2024 8:52:23 GMT -5
I'm sorry but your lack of scientific education is astounding. I sincerely hope your children and grandchildren received a better education in science than you did.
You don't understand it so you think it is magic. Some of us actually take the time to learn the science. The science is there. You just have to want to learn it.
You just wave your hands and say, "It's magic!"
No, it is not. There is no magic. There is no magic now. There was no magic 2000 years ago. There's not going to be any magic tomorrow.
My lack of education is astounding? 😄 You don't need an education to know God, you need the right heart. You need to open your eyes and properly look around you, look how everything works, there's no way that all this creation is and life has come from a bit of helium and hydrogen floating in depths of nowhere. It's too complex, there has to be a greater mind behind creation. I'm not the one who needs educated, I don't need to know about every molecule in the universe to know that God exists, I know he's there, I've had proof in my life, and I've got no doubt whatsoever. Also, the sun burns day after day, year after year, millennium after millennium and never burns out, the moon reflects the sun at night to give us light, the moon also controls the tide of the seas, we have an atmosphere that keeps us alive and protected from the space around us, even burning objects that pass through it to keep us safe. The sun is at the perfect distance to give us life, trees breathe in our poisonous carbon dioxide and breathe out oxygen to keep us living. The rain pours from the sky clean, we pollute the water was it goes up into the clouds is cleansed and then comes back clean again, and the air, given to us fresh every day to give us breathe as we pollute it, yet it's still cleansed. You plant seeds and food grows with the help of the water and the sun that God provides. And you say I need educated? Open your eyes, there's proof that God exists everywhere, there's no way that this has all happened by a blast of helium and hydrogen that came from nowhere! God is there, I hope you see him one day. spot on mary, trillions of coincidences don't add up to a creation without a creator...
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Post by maryhig on Jan 4, 2024 8:59:03 GMT -5
Wow, I wonder what's going to keep the sun going for billions of years 🤔 I sent a link. I'll send it again. It's that hydrogen and helium that curlywurlysammagee was talking about and that you were eager to make fun of. Unlike Christians who can't agree on their own dogma, scientists generally agree on things and when they don't agree, they work together to find out. That's what makes science different from religion.www.space.com/14732-sun-burns-star-death.html
Stars like our sun form when a huge cloud of gas (mostly hydrogen and helium) grows so large that it collapses under its own weight. The pressure is so high in the center of that collapsing mass of gas that the heat reaches unimaginable levels, with temperatures so hot that hydrogen atoms lose their electrons.
Those naked hydrogen atoms then fuse together into helium atoms, and that reaction releases enough energy to counter the intense pressure of gravity collapsing the cloud of gas. The battle between gravity and the energy from fusion reactions fuels our sun and billions of other stars in our galaxy and beyond.
Me taking fun of curly? Have you seen his profile picture? I think he's very good at making fun of things himself. You don't know curly very well yet do you? He can hold his own don't worry about that.
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Post by maryhig on Jan 4, 2024 8:59:45 GMT -5
My lack of education is astounding? 😄 You don't need an education to know God, you need the right heart. You need to open your eyes and properly look around you, look how everything works, there's no way that all this creation is and life has come from a bit of helium and hydrogen floating in depths of nowhere. It's too complex, there has to be a greater mind behind creation. I'm not the one who needs educated, I don't need to know about every molecule in the universe to know that God exists, I know he's there, I've had proof in my life, and I've got no doubt whatsoever. Also, the sun burns day after day, year after year, millennium after millennium and never burns out, the moon reflects the sun at night to give us light, the moon also controls the tide of the seas, we have an atmosphere that keeps us alive and protected from the space around us, even burning objects that pass through it to keep us safe. The sun is at the perfect distance to give us life, trees breathe in our poisonous carbon dioxide and breathe out oxygen to keep us living. The rain pours from the sky clean, we pollute the water was it goes up into the clouds is cleansed and then comes back clean again, and the air, given to us fresh every day to give us breathe as we pollute it, yet it's still cleansed. You plant seeds and food grows with the help of the water and the sun that God provides. And you say I need educated? Open your eyes, there's proof that God exists everywhere, there's no way that this has all happened by a blast of helium and hydrogen that came from nowhere! God is there, I hope you see him one day. spot on mary, trillions of coincidences don't add up to a creation without a creator... Yep Wally how can people not believe in God? It amazes me!
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