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Post by xna on Dec 27, 2023 20:26:12 GMT -5
My point was; (if you believe Jesus was in the beginning) then then, a male god, made a male Jesus, with no female involved. My point was; no female was involved in the making of Eve (according the rib version). It's not clear to me anyway that Jeus was "created" back into the past... A father always proceeds a son, and it says all things were made by god the father. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 27, 2023 21:34:45 GMT -5
It's not clear to me anyway that Jeus was "created" back into the past... A father always proceeds a son, and it says all things were made by god the father. In the genesis account the son also appears to have no mother. This is why I prefer the flying reindeer story. Much more plausible. |
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Post by xna on Dec 27, 2023 22:01:55 GMT -5
A father always proceeds a son, and it says all things were made by god the father. In the genesis account the son also appears to have no mother. This is why I prefer the flying reindeer story. Much more plausible. And we haven't got to the ghost part  |
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 27, 2023 23:53:18 GMT -5
I'm not a Harry Potter fan. I never read any of the books. I liked the first movie but they went downhill from there. I never finished watching all the movies. I have no idea what she said about anything.
You did not miss much. Almost as silly as the buybull. It was just interesting stories for entertaining children. I expect the author didn't even believe the stories herself.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2023 1:42:01 GMT -5
It's not clear to me anyway that Jeus was "created" back into the past... A father always proceeds a son, and it says all things were made by god the father. There is scripture I'll have to find it thats suggests Christ has always been just like God. God speaking something into existence has zero to do with gender.... |
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Post by maryhig on Dec 28, 2023 2:14:27 GMT -5
Does the Christian Bible really say anything about transsexuals? Did they even have that concept back then? What about eunuchs? What does the Christian Bible say about eunuchs? Some could interpret ones "sex identity" is a non issue from: Galatians 3:28 “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.” That means absolutely nothing about transsexuals. It means we are all one in God and Christ |
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Post by maryhig on Dec 28, 2023 2:20:29 GMT -5
Males have 1X & 1Y chromosome. Females have 2X & no Y chromosomes If, Eve was made from Adams rib. Then, Eve like Adams had 1X & 1Y chromosome. So Eve would have been biologically male, but identified as female. EVE - the 1st transgender, made and approved by god? It says in genesis that God created man, male and female created he them. God clearly made a distinction between male and female, even though we are all mankind. Transgender is wrong before God. It tells us clearly in the Bible that men are not to be effeminate. 1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, |
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Post by xna on Dec 28, 2023 11:49:32 GMT -5
Transgender is wrong before God. It seems strange to me why a god who thinks transgender is wrong, would then design animals that can change their sex. |
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Post by maryhig on Dec 28, 2023 12:06:35 GMT -5
Transgender is wrong before God. It seems strange to me why a god who thinks transgender is wrong, would then design animals that can change their sex. Animals aren't humans, God made humans to be male and female. Nature itself tells us that its the right way, because only a man and a woman can have a baby naturally. So if that's the way that God has made us to be, then that's how it is. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 28, 2023 12:49:43 GMT -5
It seems strange to me why a god who thinks transgender is wrong, would then design animals that can change their sex. Animals aren't humans, God made humans to be male and female. Nature itself tells us that its the right way, because only a man and a woman can have a baby naturally. So if that's the way that God has made us to be, then that's how it is. Humans, (homo sapien) are animals. They are part of the great ape family. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2023 14:21:15 GMT -5
Transgender is wrong before God. It seems strange to me why a god who thinks transgender is wrong, would then design animals that can change their sex. Animals aren't humans.... God doesn't think it's wrong he KNOWS its wrong.... |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 28, 2023 14:39:35 GMT -5
It seems strange to me why a god who thinks transgender is wrong, would then design animals that can change their sex. Animals aren't humans.... God doesn't think it's wrong he KNOWS its wrong.... Both you and your god know diddly squat about biology. I will stick with scientific evidence thankyou rather than the mumbo jumbo written in the goat herders guide to the galaxy |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2023 14:59:46 GMT -5
Animals aren't humans.... God doesn't think it's wrong he KNOWS its wrong.... Both you and your god know diddly squat about biology. I will stick with scientific evidence thankyou rather than the mumbo jumbo written in the goat herders guide to the galaxy You can pursue that cul de sac all you want it won't end well though...just sayin' |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 28, 2023 15:06:31 GMT -5
Both you and your god know diddly squat about biology. I will stick with scientific evidence thankyou rather than the mumbo jumbo written in the goat herders guide to the galaxy You can pursue that cul de sac all you want it won't end well though...just sayin' That's wishful thinking on your part. good luck with that. |
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Post by rk0atheist on Dec 28, 2023 16:15:37 GMT -5
Both you and your god know diddly squat about biology. I will stick with scientific evidence thankyou rather than the mumbo jumbo written in the goat herders guide to the galaxy You can pursue that cul de sac all you want it won't end well though...just sayin'
Right. All of us heathen atheists are going to Hell anyway. I do have a very important question to ask.
When the Godly die their souls become spirits and are stripped of gender. No men. No women. No male. No female. Obviously no romance in Heaven. Except for loving God. I guess that means there is also no food and no drink. I guess everyone spends eternity singing Hallelujah and Glory to God and bowing and whatever.
What about us heathen atheists who are going the other way? Do we get stripped of gender also? Are there no men, women, male, or female in Hell?
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 28, 2023 18:06:38 GMT -5
Both you and your god know diddly squat about biology. I will stick with scientific evidence thankyou rather than the mumbo jumbo written in the goat herders guide to the galaxy You can pursue that cul de sac all you want it won't end well though...just sayin' It will be hell for them, right? |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 28, 2023 18:08:06 GMT -5
You can pursue that cul de sac all you want it won't end well though...just sayin'
Right. All of us heathen atheists are going to Hell anyway. I do have a very important question to ask.
When the Godly die their souls become spirits and are stripped of gender. No men. No women. No male. No female. Obviously no romance in Heaven. Except for loving God. I guess that means there is also no food and no drink. I guess everyone spends eternity singing Hallelujah and Glory to God and bowing and whatever.
What about us heathen atheists who are going the other way? Do we get stripped of gender also? Are there no men, women, male, or female in Hell?
What do we get to sing in "hell" I would like to get some practice in first. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 28, 2023 18:12:43 GMT -5
You can pursue that cul de sac all you want it won't end well though...just sayin' It will be hell for them, right? Do they still have that hymn in the hymn book that says: for you means death and hell ? |
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Post by rk0atheist on Dec 28, 2023 18:33:56 GMT -5
Right. All of us heathen atheists are going to Hell anyway. I do have a very important question to ask.
When the Godly die their souls become spirits and are stripped of gender. No men. No women. No male. No female. Obviously no romance in Heaven. Except for loving God. I guess that means there is also no food and no drink. I guess everyone spends eternity singing Hallelujah and Glory to God and bowing and whatever.
What about us heathen atheists who are going the other way? Do we get stripped of gender also? Are there no men, women, male, or female in Hell?
What do we get to sing in "hell" I would like to get some practice in first.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 28, 2023 19:10:53 GMT -5
What do we get to sing in "hell" I would like to get some practice in first.
That's a cracker funeral song. I have asked for some songs to be played at my funeral. I cant breather anymore. Let me outta here Coming back to life. All by Pink Floyd. For professing people I reckon this would be more suitable. www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu7YURHcmKIMarlon Williams is a Kiwi. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2023 19:14:21 GMT -5
You can pursue that cul de sac all you want it won't end well though...just sayin'
Right. All of us heathen atheists are going to Hell anyway. I do have a very important question to ask.
When the Godly die their souls become spirits and are stripped of gender. No men. No women. No male. No female. Obviously no romance in Heaven. Except for loving God. I guess that means there is also no food and no drink. I guess everyone spends eternity singing Hallelujah and Glory to God and bowing and whatever.
What about us heathen atheists who are going the other way? Do we get stripped of gender also? Are there no men, women, male, or female in Hell?
I'll direct you back to scripture where it doesn't say anything like your interpretation... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2023 19:15:35 GMT -5
You can pursue that cul de sac all you want it won't end well though...just sayin' It will be hell for them, right? 2 destinations, unless you are old school catholic, then 3....pick one and do what's needed.... |
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Post by snow on Dec 29, 2023 17:38:40 GMT -5
Males have 1X & 1Y chromosome. Females have 2X & no Y chromosomes If, Eve was made from Adams rib. Then, Eve like Adams had 1X & 1Y chromosome. So Eve would have been biologically male, but identified as female. EVE - the 1st transgender, made and approved by god? Yeah, nope. God may have started with a rib from Adam but that doesn't mean it was the only thing God did in creating Eve. Good try though bud...a biological male can't get preggers nor have kids...more than meets the eye there in that record... I think the point I would get from that is not that Eve wasn't the first transgender but that Adam and Eve are mythical beings so just about anything could be true in a fantasy world. |
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Post by snow on Dec 29, 2023 18:02:15 GMT -5
Males have 1X & 1Y chromosome. Females have 2X & no Y chromosomes If, Eve was made from Adams rib. Then, Eve like Adams had 1X & 1Y chromosome. So Eve would have been biologically male, but identified as female. EVE - the 1st transgender, made and approved by god? It says in genesis that God created man, male and female created he them. God clearly made a distinction between male and female, even though we are all mankind. Transgender is wrong before God. It tells us clearly in the Bible that men are not to be effeminate. 1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, So if it's wrong before God to be trans, why are babies born with both genitalia? As they mature the child shows what gender they actually are. And, I think that in many ways there is no true male or true female and by that I mean that we all have a little of each in us. Testosterone is labelled to be the dominant male hormone and Estrogen the dominate female hormone but everyone has both in their bodies. T therapy for example will cause the female to take on masculine physical attributes such as facial hair, male muscularity and deepening of the voice. If someone naturally has more testosterone then estrogen and is in a female body, it's not all that surprising that some also identify as male. That's why I accept what each person says they identify as because no one can know better than them. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7845444/#:~:text=Ambiguous%20genitalia%20affect%20approximately%201,et%20al.%2C%202006%5D. |
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Post by maryhig on Dec 29, 2023 18:20:50 GMT -5
It says in genesis that God created man, male and female created he them. God clearly made a distinction between male and female, even though we are all mankind. Transgender is wrong before God. It tells us clearly in the Bible that men are not to be effeminate. 1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, So if it's wrong before God to be trans, why are babies born with both genitalia? As they mature the child shows what gender they actually are. And, I think that in many ways there is no true male or true female and by that I mean that we all have a little of each in us. Testosterone is labelled to be the dominant male hormone and Estrogen the dominate female hormone but everyone has both in their bodies. T therapy for example will cause the female to take on masculine physical attributes such as facial hair, male muscularity and deepening of the voice. If someone naturally has more testosterone then estrogen and is in a female body, it's not all that surprising that some also identify as male. That's why I accept what each person says they identify as because no one can know better than them. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7845444/#:~:text=Ambiguous%20genitalia%20affect%20approximately%201,et%20al.%2C%202006%5D. Sorry snow but a man is a man and a woman is a women, a man can't have a baby, he hasn't got a womb because he's a man. A woman is called so because she is man but with a womb thus she's woman, she's also not born with male genitalia. We are different and we are not born the same. God made us as we are and we shouldn't try to change that. |
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Post by snow on Dec 29, 2023 18:46:39 GMT -5
Right. All of us heathen atheists are going to Hell anyway. I do have a very important question to ask.
When the Godly die their souls become spirits and are stripped of gender. No men. No women. No male. No female. Obviously no romance in Heaven. Except for loving God. I guess that means there is also no food and no drink. I guess everyone spends eternity singing Hallelujah and Glory to God and bowing and whatever.
What about us heathen atheists who are going the other way? Do we get stripped of gender also? Are there no men, women, male, or female in Hell?
What do we get to sing in "hell" I would like to get some practice in first. Here's my wish for you just in case you get into heaven...   |
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Post by snow on Dec 29, 2023 18:47:23 GMT -5
So if it's wrong before God to be trans, why are babies born with both genitalia? As they mature the child shows what gender they actually are. And, I think that in many ways there is no true male or true female and by that I mean that we all have a little of each in us. Testosterone is labelled to be the dominant male hormone and Estrogen the dominate female hormone but everyone has both in their bodies. T therapy for example will cause the female to take on masculine physical attributes such as facial hair, male muscularity and deepening of the voice. If someone naturally has more testosterone then estrogen and is in a female body, it's not all that surprising that some also identify as male. That's why I accept what each person says they identify as because no one can know better than them. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7845444/#:~:text=Ambiguous%20genitalia%20affect%20approximately%201,et%20al.%2C%202006%5D. Sorry snow but a man is a man and a woman is a women, a man can't have a baby, he hasn't got a womb because he's a man. A woman is called so because she is man but with a womb thus she's woman, she's also not born with male genitalia. We are different and we are not born the same. God made us as we are and we shouldn't try to change that. That still doesn't mean that they feel like the gender their body is. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2023 18:49:59 GMT -5
It says in genesis that God created man, male and female created he them. God clearly made a distinction between male and female, even though we are all mankind. Transgender is wrong before God. It tells us clearly in the Bible that men are not to be effeminate. 1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, So if it's wrong before God to be trans, why are babies born with both genitalia? As they mature the child shows what gender they actually are. And, I think that in many ways there is no true male or true female and by that I mean that we all have a little of each in us. Testosterone is labelled to be the dominant male hormone and Estrogen the dominate female hormone but everyone has both in their bodies. T therapy for example will cause the female to take on masculine physical attributes such as facial hair, male muscularity and deepening of the voice. If someone naturally has more testosterone then estrogen and is in a female body, it's not all that surprising that some also identify as male. That's why I accept what each person says they identify as because no one can know better than them. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7845444/#:~:text=Ambiguous%20genitalia%20affect%20approximately%201,et%20al.%2C%202006%5D. That would be an abnormal medical problem, not the standard... |
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