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Post by nathan on Jul 9, 2021 9:00:43 GMT -5
Faith does not necessarily conflict with reason, in fact most people of faith choose to believe what they find sensible and logical. All reason isn't against Christ, nothing he said was twisted or contrary to fact. We don't ignore reality, Christ is our reality. Faith in him is not contrary to to evidence, its just not the type of evidence that nonbelievers demand or find acceptable.
I fear you might have stumbled over reading my post. Did I not say: " Not because faith isn’t valuable." And as to the words of whom you call Christ and the words some of them might be wise: I will not argue that. However, I have seen much evidence that suggest those words were put in Christ's mouth by others and were uttered by other wise men trying to impress. Many students recognize there was no actual sermon on the mountain. And it in fact was a collection of other more ancient men's thoughts. When we were children we believe in Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, The Tooth Fairy, and God creating the Universe. And Nathan would have us remain children in our thoughts. But we must of need become adults and face reality. You will Face REALITY after you died, your unbeliever soul will go to hade as Jesus had said in Luke 16. You live in a REALITY world right now, where your ETERNAL destiny is determined by the choice that you make here on earth, that's to accept and believe in Jesus= Eternal life or Reject Jesus as your Savior= Eternal death.
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Post by nathan on Jul 9, 2021 9:01:18 GMT -5
Why is it that in just about every post you make, you find a way to praise yourself? Wow. Just wow. ~~ Oh, Don't be too Jealous, Witch.... That you hardly get any nice comment about you from anyone, that Ok don't feel so sad, some day you will get praises from me, if you repent of your sins and turn from DARKNESS/Satan to follow Christ for your Salvation.
Here is another nice post.... 1) SharonW. wrote in 2018: You're absolutely right, Nathan! Jesus, God the Son is such an awesome Almighty One! It still amazes me to think I'd gone nearly 60 yrs. reading the bible very faithfully and NEVER got that for myself! Strange that, eh? I pray for those in the fellowship still, that they can come to that maturity of understanding about our Beloved Lord! I think that they are missing something totally OUT OF THIS WORLD! Simply because the majority of them have LITTLE idea about who Jesus really is! O What A Savior! I had hardly ever heard of the concept except in a table discussion back when I was about 4 or 5 yrs. old. A number of workers and our family sharing a meal together. My Gram having been raised a Baptist, knew what the Trinity concept was. It was brought into discussion and the older workers exclaimed that the doctrine was a heresy! I never heard of the concept again until coming on TMB. Nathan wrote an extensive explanation with scripture backing of what the Trinity means and is...it was almost beyond my comprehension! I became troubled that this was beyond my comprehension so much so, that I prayed to God that "IF HE thought it necessary for me to understand the Trinity, then would HE PLEASE reveal it to me." I left it there and after some time, it begin to come to me at another time of prayer like a light from heaven! The joy of that understanding of my Lord is beyond another imagination, comprehension.... YES! God revealed it to me! Jesus is the most wonderful awesome King of Kings and Lord of Lords and HE died for me! Hallelujah! And I was professing when this happened! I believed in the Trinity while I was still professing! After I'd studied Jesus Christ for about 3 years and had some long arguments with Nathan and Stanne here on TMB with Scott sometimes putting a bit of information in the kettle, I had to realize that all that Nathan and Stanne were saying about the Trinity was definitely in the bible even thought the word "Trinity" wasn't! As time passed and more realization of what the Trinity was all about, and I'll say we that do believe are always gaining more insight into it as we go on and maturity of using the word of God (the bible) feeding on the "meat of the word" that it is certainly like most of mankind throughout the ages that as each generation lives and dies the more understanding of the heavenly God has come into the minds of that generation. So I feel that ignorance and misunderstanding is what's keeping most in the 2x2 from accepting or knowing the Trinity= Triune God concept!
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Post by nathan on Jul 9, 2021 9:01:36 GMT -5
Do you notice that you only get praises from conspiracy theorists. No one except you are fooled by Q-Xmen. He sounds like a fake to me. A bit like Opening Act or Mountain who you got fooled by believing the games they were playing with you. I prefer to hang round with level headed people not conspiracy theorists. Hey, that is your choice you can hang around whoever you want, the exes, the atheists, and the unbelievers. You take your pick and I will pick mine friends I want to hang around with Wally, Jetmech, Dan, Lee, Shushy, Q, and those like them who are THINKERS! thinking outside of the BOX and NOT be the blind sheep that lead others blind sheep go over the deep cliff to die.
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Post by intelchips on Jul 9, 2021 9:11:35 GMT -5
I fear you might have stumbled over reading my post. Did I not say: " Not because faith isn’t valuable." And as to the words of whom you call Christ and the words some of them might be wise: I will not argue that. However, I have seen much evidence that suggest those words were put in Christ's mouth by others and were uttered by other wise men trying to impress. Many students recognize there was no actual sermon on the mountain. And it in fact was a collection of other more ancient men's thoughts. When we were children we believe in Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, The Tooth Fairy, and God creating the Universe. And Nathan would have us remain children in our thoughts. But we must of need become adults and face reality. You will Face REALITY after you died, your unbeliever soul will go to hade as Jesus had said in Luke 16. You live in a REALITY world right now, where your ETERNAL destiny is determined by the choice that you make here on earth, that's to accept and believe in Jesus= Eternal life or Reject Jesus as your Savior= Eternal death.
If I am wrong and after death I find my mind is still processing thought and I'm in Hell then I shall do my best to suffer without complaint. But oh Golly the company I will have. Just imagine all the entertaining souls I shall meet and have dialogue with.
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Post by chuck on Jul 9, 2021 9:24:57 GMT -5
I fear you might have stumbled over reading my post. Did I not say: " Not because faith isn’t valuable." And as to the words of whom you call Christ and the words some of them might be wise: I will not argue that. However, I have seen much evidence that suggest those words were put in Christ's mouth by others and were uttered by other wise men trying to impress. Many students recognize there was no actual sermon on the mountain. And it in fact was a collection of other more ancient men's thoughts. When we were children we believe in Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, The Tooth Fairy, and God creating the Universe. And Nathan would have us remain children in our thoughts. But we must of need become adults and face reality. You will Face REALITY after you died, your unbeliever soul will go to hade as Jesus had said in Luke 16. You live in a REALITY world right now, where your ETERNAL destiny is determined by the choice that you make here on earth, that's to accept and believe in Jesus= Eternal life or Reject Jesus as your Savior= Eternal death.
Eternal life is sharing everything you have with the beat up guy in the ditch, that's accepting Jesus. Rejecting Jesus is telling people this... "You will Face REALITY after you died, your unbeliever soul will go to hade as Jesus had said in Luke 16. You live in a REALITY world right now, where your ETERNAL destiny is determined by the choice that you make here on earth, that's to accept and believe in Jesus= Eternal life or Reject Jesus as your Savior= Eternal death"
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Post by verna on Jul 9, 2021 10:50:14 GMT -5
I have no wish to be any kind of match to anyone with the morals of a Q anon follower. But he sounds like your kind of mate so good luck. Thanks, Q is my mate and Shushy. The Three musketeers.A trinity you might say.
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 9, 2021 11:13:25 GMT -5
You will Face REALITY after you died, your unbeliever soul will go to hade as Jesus had said in Luke 16. You live in a REALITY world right now, where your ETERNAL destiny is determined by the choice that you make here on earth, that's to accept and believe in Jesus= Eternal life or Reject Jesus as your Savior= Eternal death.
If I am wrong and after death I find my mind is still processing thought and I'm in Hell then I shall do my best to suffer without complaint. But oh Golly the company I will have. Just imagine all the entertaining souls I shall meet and have dialogue with. ** I wish it could be as you believe but it's NOT true according to Jesus/God teaching in Luke 16. It will be a maximum solitary confinement by yourself without anyone to talk to and all of your memory are intact like the Rich man in Luke 16 you have all eternity to go over the bad choice you had made on earth.
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Post by intelchips on Jul 9, 2021 11:16:47 GMT -5
If I am wrong and after death I find my mind is still processing thought and I'm in Hell then I shall do my best to suffer without complaint. But oh Golly the company I will have. Just imagine all the entertaining souls I shall meet and have dialogue with. ** I wish it could be as you believe but it's NOT true according to Jesus/God teaching in Luke 16. It will be a maximum solitary confinement by yourself without anyone to talk to and all of your memory are intact like the Rich man in Luke 16 you have all eternity to go over the bad choice you had made on earth. Oh yes, I had made some bad choices, but I have also made so many good memories I think those will sustain me during my eternity in Hell.
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Post by Annan on Jul 9, 2021 11:21:58 GMT -5
Why is it that in just about every post you make, you find a way to praise yourself? Wow. Just wow. ~~ Oh, Don't be too Jealous, Witch.... That you hardly get any nice comment about you from anyone, that Ok don't feel so sad, some day you will get praises from me, if you repent of your sins and turn from DARKNESS/Satan to follow Christ for your Salvation.Huh? That went WAY over your head.
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Post by verna on Jul 9, 2021 11:29:50 GMT -5
~~ Oh, Don't be too Jealous, Witch.... That you hardly get any nice comment about you from anyone, that Ok don't feel so sad, some day you will get praises from me, if you repent of your sins and turn from DARKNESS/Satan to follow Christ for your Salvation. Huh? That went WAY over your head. Seems he just confirmed your statement.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2021 12:27:06 GMT -5
** I wish it could be as you believe but it's NOT true according to Jesus/God teaching in Luke 16. It will be a maximum solitary confinement by yourself without anyone to talk to and all of your memory are intact like the Rich man in Luke 16 you have all eternity to go over the bad choice you had made on earth. Oh yes, I had made some bad choices, but I have also made so many good memories I think those will sustain me during my eternity in Hell. sorry, there is no happiness in hell...its a mountain of torment/regret that will last for eternity...
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 9, 2021 12:34:21 GMT -5
** I wish it could be as you believe but it's NOT true according to Jesus/God teaching in Luke 16. It will be a maximum solitary confinement by yourself without anyone to talk to and all of your memory are intact like the Rich man in Luke 16 you have all eternity to go over the bad choice you had made on earth. Oh yes, I had made some bad choices, but I have also made so many good memories I think those will sustain me during my eternity in Hell. *** Like the Rich man all he could think what he could and should have done. He worried about his own families members will be in the he'll hole of Hades like him And Judgement hasn't started it, yet. Jesus/God knew how horrible hell/hades and the lake of fire, he didn't want of his humans children to go through that so, he died and tasted both deaths for them. All Christ/Jesus asks is to believe and accept Him as their Savior. He did all the impossible part to set the sinful humans free and able to enter heaven
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Post by intelchips on Jul 9, 2021 12:41:44 GMT -5
Oh yes, I had made some bad choices, but I have also made so many good memories I think those will sustain me during my eternity in Hell. *** Like the Rich man all he could think what he could and should have done. He worried about his own families members will be in the he'll hole of Hades like him And Judgement hasn't started it, yet. Jesus/God knew how horrible hell/hades and the lake of fire, he didn't want of his humans children to go through that so, he died and tasted both deaths for them. All Christ/Jesus asks is to believe and accept Him as their Savior. He did all the impossible part to set the sinful humans free and able to enter heaven You know Nathan I think I might take up preaching. I'll follow in the footsteps of Elmer Gantry. I'll preach the Hell Fire and Damnation. The only thing stopping me is I'm not sure I can find a Sister Sharon Falconer to take care of the come to Jesus business.
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 9, 2021 13:50:51 GMT -5
*** Like the Rich man all he could think what he could and should have done. He worried about his own families members will be in the he'll hole of Hades like him And Judgement hasn't started it, yet. Jesus/God knew how horrible hell/hades and the lake of fire, he didn't want of his humans children to go through that so, he died and tasted both deaths for them. All Christ/Jesus asks is to believe and accept Him as their Savior. He did all the impossible part to set the sinful humans free and able to enter heaven You know Nathan I think I might take up preaching. I'll follow in the footsteps of Elmer Gantry. I'll preach the Hell Fire and Damnation. The only thing stopping me is I'm not sure I can find a Sister Sharon Falconer to take care of the come to Jesus business. ** You have to be born again call by God, Christ and sent forth by the Holy Spirit to preach/teach otherwise your preaching are just empty words into the air and good for nothing.
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Post by Annan on Jul 9, 2021 15:26:51 GMT -5
You know Nathan I think I might take up preaching. I'll follow in the footsteps of Elmer Gantry. I'll preach the Hell Fire and Damnation. The only thing stopping me is I'm not sure I can find a Sister Sharon Falconer to take care of the come to Jesus business. ** You have to be born again call by God, Christ and sent forth by the Holy Spirit to preach/teach otherwise your preaching are just empty words into the air and good for nothing. So let me guess... The only people called are the 2x2 workers? Why would your god call someone who doesn't believe in the trinity?
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 9, 2021 15:53:06 GMT -5
** You have to be born again call by God, Christ and sent forth by the Holy Spirit to preach/teach otherwise your preaching are just empty words into the air and good for nothing. So let me guess... The only people called are the 2x2 workers? Why would your god call someone who doesn't believe in the trinity? *** The early days workers and friends believe in the Trinity, there are workers and friends believe in Trinity today. Most of the workers and friends worship the Trinity= God the Father, Christ Jesus the Son of God our Savior and the Holy Spirit but they don't like to use the word Trinity but they believe in the concept. The 2x2s love their Sunday morning worship/fellowship gathering coming together around the world to worship God the Father, and remembering Jesus Christ life, death and resurrection, sing hymns to God the Holy Spirit and give praises to them= The Trinity.
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Post by guest8 on Jul 9, 2021 16:30:52 GMT -5
~~ Oh, Don't be too Jealous, Witch.... That you hardly get any nice comment about you from anyone, that Ok don't feel so sad, some day you will get praises from me, if you repent of your sins and turn from DARKNESS/Satan to follow Christ for your Salvation. Huh? That went WAY over your head. We like you Annan. You know that and (we really don’t have to say it ) and you don't need to hear it. I guess when you live in the real world you know and enjoy people who are a tease. I think most posters have realised that. Its good to see some humour on the board. I personally know alternative medicine practitioners and have no reason to dislike them. The only spooky part I pick up on this board when I flick into it, is the look of certain icons staring at me and the obsession with science fiction and burning people. Not to mention that Evil QAnon. Online worker, should the workers be preaching this now or be hung?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 9, 2021 16:33:06 GMT -5
Huh? That went WAY over your head. We like you Annan. You know that and (we really don’t have to say it ) and you don't need to hear it. I guess when you live in the real world you know and enjoy people who are a tease. I think most posters have realised that. Its good to see some humour on the board. I personally know alternative medicine practitioners and have no reason to dislike them. The only spooky part I pick up on this board when I flick into it, is the look of certain icons staring at me and the obsession with science fiction and burning people. Not to mention that Evil QAnon. Online worker, Should the workers be preaching this now or be hung? Qanon preach sedition. What is the penalty for sedition in the USA, Australia and New Zealand?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 9, 2021 22:39:25 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2021 23:02:24 GMT -5
the jan 6th rioters were also wearing clothes and shoes therefore all people who wear clothes and shoes must be rioters.... ummmm i don't think your link is related to your comments?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 9, 2021 23:10:41 GMT -5
Perhaps they will get the psychological help they need for their psychosis while they are incarcerated.
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Post by chuck on Jul 9, 2021 23:43:06 GMT -5
"Hmm sounds like your talking from Uranus... come back to earth God can turn water into wine, but he can’t turn your whining into anything" Professional indeed...... You can NEVER match Q's witty, Charming, and be smart like him, Chuck. You probably stuck in your Uranus planet forever with the rate you are going, mate. You don't have the gift of writing like Q or expressing your thoughts, ideas concise, and clearly because you stuck in that thinking like a 4000 years old Hebrew mind set.
Another to boast in their ignorance of the scriptures authors. Just like Jesus2 you can make it say what you like from that position. This leads to a bunch of oblivious human wrecking balls.......
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Post by chuck on Jul 9, 2021 23:56:25 GMT -5
Jesus1 you put me in Hell regardless, If I disagree I go to Hell, If I have to agree with you it's against my own conscience, hell again!.....I cant burn billions because they dont agree with me, that's evil...... I am wide awake..... You are like in a ZOMBIE mode, chuck and you don't KNOW it, yet.
Zombies bite their prey, sounds like your occupation not mine, I'm not in the business of turning more people into zombies....... You don't spread the gospel Nathan, you spread tribalism by actively converting people to be like you..... 15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are. - Matthew 23:15 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew23:15&version=NIV
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 10, 2021 1:11:07 GMT -5
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Post by Annan on Jul 10, 2021 6:54:20 GMT -5
You are like in a ZOMBIE mode, chuck and you don't KNOW it, yet.
Zombies bite their prey, sounds like your occupation not mine, I'm not in the business of turning more people into zombies....... You don't spread the gospel Nathan, you spread tribalism by actively converting people to be like you..... 15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are. - Matthew 23:15 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew23:15&version=NIV I think that we reject the evidence that our world is changing because we are still, as that wonderfully wise biologist E. O. Wilson reminded us, tribal carnivores. We are programmed by our inheritance to see other living things as mainly something to eat, and we care more about our national tribe than anything else. We will even give our lives for it and are quite ready to kill other humans in the cruellest of ways for the good of our tribe. We still find alien the concept that we and the rest of life, from bacteria to whales, are parts of the much larger and diverse entity, the living Earth. ~ James Lovelock, The Revenge of Gaia
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Post by isittrue on Jul 11, 2021 17:59:37 GMT -5
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Post by isittrue on Jul 11, 2021 23:26:41 GMT -5
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 12, 2021 0:06:44 GMT -5
That's interesting.the same subject is covered to some degree in a book I have by an Israeli author aboyt the Cognitive Revolution. Which happened well before gods were invented. That revolution however enabled groups to move from family groups to larger entities. These entities are the glue which holds societies together. One of those entities being religion. Others are government, university, companies both private and public, sports teams and so on.
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