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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 17:40:58 GMT -5
That wouldn't be the truth and misinformation. As of DEC 2020 roughly Nineteen million had caught the virus and survived it without the vaccination minus about 340,000 that had died. covidtracking.com/data/nationalThe link did not work but going by your post, 19 million got it without the vaccine and 340,000 died. Wonder how many would not have got it or got it milder, let alone not died if they had of had the vaccine. Your post is another example of your bias. Works fine for me you got to scroll down to DEC 2020 to see the relevant data... |
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Post by Dan on Sept 8, 2021 21:08:53 GMT -5
My sister (67) and her husband (71 today), both tested positive for covid and are home sick now. Last I heard, neither had been vaccinated, so I'm pretty worried about them. They are in Florida where the delta variant is running rampant. Are they doing OK now Dan ?
Yes, my brother-in-law has fully recuperated and just tested negative... My sister is still sick though (headaches, body chills, nausea) ... They both got the Regeneron monoclonal antibody treatment last Monday and it really seemed to help the recovery process. Thanks for asking.
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Post by fixit on Sept 9, 2021 0:41:03 GMT -5
Are they doing OK now Dan ? Yes, my brother-in-law has fully recuperated and just tested negative... My sister is still sick though (headaches, body chills, nausea) ... They both got the Regeneron monoclonal antibody treatment last Monday and it really seemed to help the recovery process. Thanks for asking.
Good to know they are not worse. Viruses are much easier to prevent than treat - always have been. Trump set America on the wrong path with his statement on March 4 last year when he said Covid is "very mild": Now, this is just my hunch, but based on a lot of conversations with a lot of people that do this, because a lot of people will have this and it is very mild... So if, you know, we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better, just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work, some of them go to work, but they get better and then, when you do have a death like you had in the state of Washington, like you had one in California, I believe you had one in New York, you know, all of a sudden it seems like 3 or 4 percent, which is a very high number, as opposed to a fraction of 1 percent.www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/13/21176535/trumps-worst-statements-coronavirusNot everyone can afford the million-dollar treatment Trump got when he suffered from this "very mild" illness. |
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Post by fixit on Sept 29, 2021 13:25:07 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2021 13:53:06 GMT -5
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 29, 2021 14:41:28 GMT -5
Thank you for that fixit!
One would think that anyone with even common sense would realize that.
No one person can possibly know everything, -not even every group of scientists can know all that has been discovered by scientists in other fields!
But they do know that they have all used the same scientific method as themselves and therefore can depend on one another's conclusions.
One of the problems that I see today which really disturbs me as much as the Covid -19 virus itself is this anti-science attitude that so many people seem to have now days.
I don't know if it is due to the fact that many people today have never lived during the time when communicable diseases killed so many people, especially children.
But I definitely see an anti-science attitude especially when it concerns them personally.
They seem to readily accept space science information etc. but that doesn't affect them in any personal way.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 29, 2021 14:59:17 GMT -5
Wally, your reply by calling that "BS" strongly indicates what has been obvious from your many previous posts.
That is that you apparently believe that you have more knowledge, are wiser and superior to everyone including the best experts in the world.
You seem to have no idea what the word 'humility' means. |
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Post by speak on Sept 29, 2021 15:18:01 GMT -5
Wally, your reply by calling that "BS" strongly indicates what has been obvious from your many previous posts.
That is that you apparently believe that you have more knowledge, are wiser and superior to everyone including the best experts in the world.
You seem to have no idea what the word 'humility' means.Oh you are so correct. There are none so blind as know all's. |
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Post by fixit on Sept 29, 2021 15:32:39 GMT -5
Wally, your reply by calling that "BS" strongly indicates what has been obvious from your many previous posts.
That is that you apparently believe that you have more knowledge, are wiser and superior to everyone including the best experts in the world.
You seem to have no idea what the word 'humility' means.Wally's brief response sums him up succinctly. It also helps us to understand why thousands of people are breathing their last in IC units from a preventable disease. “We know we have the wherewithal with vaccines to turn this around, and the reason the numbers are so alarming is that we have about 80 million people in this country who are eligible to be vaccinated who are not yet vaccinated” Fauci |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2021 16:11:20 GMT -5
Wally, your reply by calling that "BS" strongly indicates what has been obvious from your many previous posts.
That is that you apparently believe that you have more knowledge, are wiser and superior to everyone including the best experts in the world.
You seem to have no idea what the word 'humility' means.That is not what I called BS on. I call BS on saying they are experts that know more than us, then when other experts come around with a different viewpoint the attempt is made to discredit those experts....it is a bunch of BS...we all know the game being played here...nice try though |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Sept 29, 2021 16:20:15 GMT -5
There's no game at all. Science is about the scientific method. Which means that as new information becomes known then it follows that the facts are modified.
To think otherwise would see humans still living in caves.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2021 16:28:56 GMT -5
There's no game at all. Science is about the scientific method. Which means that as new information becomes known then it follows that the facts are modified. To think otherwise would see humans still living in caves. Long Before Aristotle and the scientific method empires rose and fell....no caves needed... |
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Post by verna on Sept 29, 2021 17:16:08 GMT -5
Wally, your reply by calling that "BS" strongly indicates what has been obvious from your many previous posts.
That is that you apparently believe that you have more knowledge, are wiser and superior to everyone including the best experts in the world.
You seem to have no idea what the word 'humility' means.That is not what I called BS on. I call BS on saying they are experts that know more than us, then when other experts come around with a different viewpoint the attempt is made to discredit those experts....it is a bunch of BS...we all know the game being played here...nice try though BS. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 29, 2021 17:50:01 GMT -5
Wally, your reply by calling that "BS" strongly indicates what has been obvious from your many previous posts.
That is that you apparently believe that you have more knowledge, are wiser and superior to everyone including the best experts in the world.
You seem to have no idea what the word 'humility' means.That is not what I called BS on. I call BS on saying they are experts that know more than us, then when other experts come around with a different viewpoint the attempt is made to discredit those experts....it is a bunch of BS...we all know the game being played here...nice try though
Or you simply may not understand how scientists discuss their work and you think that they are disagreeing!
From your posts it is notable that your understanding of how the scientific method of inquiry operates lacks a great deal.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2021 19:26:32 GMT -5
That is not what I called BS on. I call BS on saying they are experts that know more than us, then when other experts come around with a different viewpoint the attempt is made to discredit those experts....it is a bunch of BS...we all know the game being played here...nice try though
Or you simply may not understand how scientists discuss their work and you think that they are disagreeing!
From your posts it is notable that your understanding of how the scientific method of inquiry operates lacks a great deal.
Sorry that is not how it works...your sides game continues |
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Post by fixit on Sept 29, 2021 21:00:28 GMT -5
What you consider "experts with a different viewpoint" maybe be nothing more than other people like yourself who claim to be "experts" but know no more than you do!
Or you simply may not understand how scientists discuss their work and you think that they are disagreeing!
From your posts it is notable that your understanding of how the scientific method of inquiry operates lacks a great deal.
Sorry that is not how it works...your sides game continues I think you missed the point Wally. I have never served in the US Navy. Do you think I might know more about what its like to serve in the US navy than a consensus of thousands of navy vererans? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2021 21:43:11 GMT -5
Sorry that is not how it works...your sides game continues I think you missed the point Wally. I have never served in the US Navy. Do you think I might know more about what its like to serve in the US navy than a consensus of thousands of navy vererans? That is not the point some experts that have different points of view have come forward and get quickly trounced as quacks cause they don't toe the line...that is BS... |
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 29, 2021 23:43:41 GMT -5
What you consider "experts with a different viewpoint" maybe be nothing more than other people like yourself who claim to be "experts" but know no more than you do!
Or you simply may not understand how scientists discuss their work and you think that they are disagreeing!
From your posts it is notable that your understanding of how the scientific method of inquiry operates lacks a great deal.
Sorry that is not how it works...your sides game continues
Sorry, wally but as I implied, I think that perhaps everything that you know about how the scientific method works would fit into a thimble on my little finger. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 30, 2021 0:00:39 GMT -5
I think you missed the point Wally. I have never served in the US Navy. Do you think I might know more about what its like to serve in the US navy than a consensus of thousands of navy vererans? That is not the point some experts that have different points of view have come forward and get quickly trounced as quacks cause they don't toe the line...that is BS...
Those that are "trounced as quacks" are usually because they are "quacks," -people trying to make money off of people's fears.
They give people a false sense of security for no other reason than to put money into their own pockets.
People tend to not want to accept bad news and will let themselves be conned as long as they can avoid it! |
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Post by fixit on Sept 30, 2021 0:06:01 GMT -5
I think you missed the point Wally. I have never served in the US Navy. Do you think I might know more about what its like to serve in the US navy than a consensus of thousands of navy vererans? That is not the point some experts that have different points of view have come forward and get quickly trounced as quacks cause they don't toe the line...that is BS... Such as? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2021 0:11:30 GMT -5
That is not the point some experts that have different points of view have come forward and get quickly trounced as quacks cause they don't toe the line...that is BS...
Those that are "trounced as quacks" are usually because they are "quacks," -people trying to make money off of people's fears.
They give people a false sense of security for no other reason than to put money into their own pockets.
People tend to not want to accept bad news and will let themselves be conned as long as they can avoid it!By their degrees... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2021 0:12:59 GMT -5
That is not the point some experts that have different points of view have come forward and get quickly trounced as quacks cause they don't toe the line...that is BS... Such as? bait away... |
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 30, 2021 0:16:49 GMT -5
Wally, your reply by calling that "BS" strongly indicates what has been obvious from your many previous posts.
That is that you apparently believe that you have more knowledge, are wiser and superior to everyone including the best experts in the world.
You seem to have no idea what the word 'humility' means.Oh you are so correct. There are none so blind as know all's. The US is being plagued by the meteoric rise in the value of mediocrity. |
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Post by speak on Sept 30, 2021 0:52:47 GMT -5
Oh you are so correct. There are none so blind as know all's. The US is being plagued by the meteoric rise in the value of mediocrity.  |
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 30, 2021 1:01:59 GMT -5
Wally!
Congratulations!
That is a new one!
You are becoming more clever all the time at using meaningless burbs in a attempt to excuse your inability to give a relevant answer!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2021 1:15:44 GMT -5
Wally!
Congratulations!
That is a new one!
You are becoming more clever all the time at using meaningless burbs in a attempt to excuse your inability to give a relevant answer! *blurb Oh I have plenty of relevant answers it is just that stormtrooper censors are in my way on this subject.  |
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Post by fixit on Sept 30, 2021 3:46:43 GMT -5
I think you missed the point Wally. I have never served in the US Navy. Do you think I might know more about what its like to serve in the US navy than a consensus of thousands of navy vererans? That is not the point some experts that have different points of view have come forward and get quickly trounced as quacks cause they don't toe the line...that is BS... Your ability to discern between experts and quacks is slightly better than Nate's. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 30, 2021 12:13:23 GMT -5
An interesting story of a woman who survived the 1919 flu pandemic.Woman who survived 1918 flu, world war succumbs to COVID By TODD RICHMOND, Associated Press 8 hrs ago | A woman who survived 1918 flu, world war succumbs to COVID She lived a life of adventure that spanned two continents. She fell in love with a World War II fighter pilot, barely escaped Europe ahead of Benito Mussolini’s fascists, ground steel for the U.S. war effort and advocated for her disabled daughter in a far less enlightened time. She was, her daughter said, someone who didn't make a habit of giving up. Primetta Giacopini's life ended the way it began — in a pandemic. She was two years old when she lost her mother to the Spanish flu in Connecticut in 1918. Giacopini contracted COVID-19 earlier this month. The 105-year-old struggled with the disease for a week before she died Sept. 16. And then this month, at age 105, Primetta Giacopini's life ended the way it began — in a pandemic. “I think my mother would have been around quite a bit longer" if she hadn't contracted COVID,” her 61-year-old daughter, Dorene Giacopini, said. “She was a fighter.
She had a hard life and her attitude always was ... basically, all Americans who were not around for World War II were basically spoiled brats.”
From what I keep seeing and hearing from some people here & else where, I am beginning to agree with her.
There are too many who are just spoiled brats.
They never went through anything even near what their parents and grandparents had been through; a Flu Pandemic when they didn't even what the cause was; -an Economic Depression where there was simply no work therefore no food or shelter to be had, -as well as TWO World Wars!
They have had it so much easier than than those before them they simply won't the face the facts of what is happening!
But instead of using the little sense that they have and start knuckling down & trying to do something useful about the problems they blame the people who ARE trying.
Instead they pass the buck and make up all kinds of conspiracies blaming the people!
They listen to every snake oil crook who comes down the pike that paints a paradise for them and in turn blame the people who ARE trying to do something!
Some times I just get so disgusted I think so, -just let them go!  -the world will be better off without them except they take so many innocent people along with them! 
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-the world will be better off without them except they take so many innocent people along with them! 