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Post by BobWilliston on May 1, 2021 18:45:31 GMT -5
I only remember a sugar cube that they gave us for polio, no shot. Anyone else had that instead? I remember a sugar cube too. I also remember the TB tine test. I once had to lead my whole class of students to a hospital 2 blocks away so we could all get a TB test. Fortunately, the one student who had been exposed had not given it to anyone else.
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Post by SharonArnold on May 1, 2021 19:14:31 GMT -5
Covid-19 is a public health and safety issue. Here in New Zealand we have a lot of health and safety laws to comply with e.g. work on single story buildings requires scaffolding. The data shows that people get hurt, so scaffolding is mandated to mitigate that risk. There's no personal choice in the matter. Things that are basically agreed on for COVID-19 at this point: The big risk factors for a severe outcome (death or long-haul complications) are Age, Obesity, Diabetes. (Even if obesity tends to be buried near the bottom of the lists, all indicators are that it should be at the top.) Low vitamin D levels have also been associated with poor Covid outcomes, no matter how this might be spun into being important or unimportant. Now, Age is something you can't do much about. So everyone gets a pass on that. Suppose, hypothetically, I have a really healthy BMI, get lots of exercise, fresh air and sunshine and eat a healthy diet. You get to coerce me into to getting a vaccine because it is a "public health and safety issue"? Suppose, hypothetically, you are obese and eat crap food every day. Why, then, should I not also get to force you to lose weight and clean up your diet? For public health and safety concerns, of course. You wouldn't like that much, now, would you? You might personally not like what *I* do, or do not do. But unless you are willing for me to dictate the terms of your life, you have to let me do it. The real pandemic of our time is probably totalitarianism. And the people who think some perceived idea of "safety" is more important than individual freedom. I never really understood how Hitler came to power, and had so many people doing his bidding, until the past year or so. P.S. I have not had the Covid vaccine (though I am otherwise fully vaccinated for people of my age and geographic area), as it is not yet available for people of my age in my geographic area. My husband got his first shot the other day. I do not know if I will decide to get it. But I will defend the right for everyone to choose, regardless if their decision is well-informed or ignorant.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 1, 2021 20:44:24 GMT -5
Covid-19 is a public health and safety issue. Here in New Zealand we have a lot of health and safety laws to comply with e.g. work on single story buildings requires scaffolding. The data shows that people get hurt, so scaffolding is mandated to mitigate that risk. There's no personal choice in the matter. Things that are basically agreed on for COVID-19 at this point: The big risk factors for a severe outcome (death or long-haul complications) are Age, Obesity, Diabetes. (Even if obesity tends to be buried near the bottom of the lists, all indicators are that it should be at the top.) Low vitamin D levels have also been associated with poor Covid outcomes, no matter how this might be spun into being important or unimportant. Now, Age is something you can't do much about. So everyone gets a pass on that. Suppose, hypothetically, I have a really healthy BMI, get lots of exercise, fresh air and sunshine and eat a healthy diet. You get to coerce me into to getting a vaccine because it is a "public health and safety issue"? Suppose, hypothetically, you are obese and eat crap food every day. Why, then, should I not also get to force you to lose weight and clean up your diet? For public health and safety concerns, of course. You wouldn't like that much, now, would you? You might personally not like what *I* do, or do not do. But unless you are willing for me to dictate the terms of your life, you have to let me do it. The real pandemic of our time is probably totalitarianism. And the people who think some perceived idea of "safety" is more important than individual freedom. I never really understood how Hitler came to power, and had so many people doing his bidding, until the past year or so. P.S. I have not had the Covid vaccine (though I am otherwise fully vaccinated for people of my age and geographic area), as it is not yet available for people of my age in my geographic area. My husband got his first shot the other day. I do not know if I will decide to get it. But I will defend the right for everyone to choose, regardless if their decision is well-informed or ignorant. I for one, certainly do not deny you your right to take or not to take the Covid -19 vaccine, Sharon.
All I want is for people who are really concerned about the safety of the vaccine is to make sure the information they are getting in accurate and not some bogus con-man/woman who is only out to relieve them of their money.
Although it is true that "Age, Obesity and Diabetes" affects everyone's ability to fight off other ailments, -I'm sure Covid-19 as well.
But would you give us a link to the information where you found that: "The big risk factors for a severe outcome (death or long-haul complications) are Age, Obesity, Diabetes.(Even if obesity tends to be buried near the bottom of the lists, all indicators are that it should be at the top.) Low vitamin D levels have also been associated with poor Covid.
I had not heard this before and cannot find that information. I do know that not all those who died from Covid-19 had those problems.
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Post by SharonArnold on May 1, 2021 20:58:27 GMT -5
But would you give us a link to the information where you found that: [/b] [/font] "The big risk factors for a severe outcome (death or long-haul complications) are Age, Obesity, Diabetes.(Even if obesity tends to be buried near the bottom of the lists, all indicators are that it should be at the top.) Low vitamin D levels have also been associated with poor Covid.
I had not heard this before and cannot find that information. I do know that not all those who died from Covid-19 had those problems.
[/quote] You are kidding, right? One of many many articles that pop up on most search engines: www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-who-is-at-risk/art-20483301If Google ever lets you down on a search, then try Yahoo or DuckDuckGo. They are less politicized. No where did I say that "all" who died from Covid-19 had those problems. But they are widely known to increase your risk of a poor outcome. (I didn't think I was saying anything even remotely controversial here.)
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Post by fixit on May 1, 2021 21:23:50 GMT -5
I wouldn't want to carry Covid-19 and pass it on to vulnerable people, even if it doesn't make me sick. From the BBC: Why are so many babies dying of Covid-19 in Brazil?There is a misconception that children are at zero risk for Covid, says Dr Fatima Marinho, who is also a senior adviser to the international health NGO Vital Strategies. Marinho's research has found that a shockingly high number of children and babies have been affected by the virus. Between February 2020 and 15 March 2021, Covid-19 killed at least 852 of Brazil's children up to the age of nine, including 518 babies under one year old, according to figures from the Brazilian Ministry of Health. But Dr Marinho estimates that more than twice this number of children died of Covid. A serious problem of underreporting due to lack of Covid testing is bringing the numbers down, she says. Dr Marinho calculated the excess of deaths by unspecified acute respiratory syndrome during the pandemic, and found that there were 10 times more deaths by unexplained respiratory syndrome than in previous years. By adding these numbers, she estimates that the virus in fact killed 2,060 children under nine years old, including 1,302 babies.
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Post by fixit on May 1, 2021 21:37:22 GMT -5
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Post by fixit on May 1, 2021 21:44:44 GMT -5
Don't give up dmmichgoodThere's so much misinformation out there, its like a religion. People have to be deprogrammed before they come back to scientific reality.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 1, 2021 21:46:54 GMT -5
But would you give us a link to the information where you found that: [/b] [/font] "The big risk factors for a severe outcome (death or long-haul complications) are Age, Obesity, Diabetes.(Even if obesity tends to be buried near the bottom of the lists, all indicators are that it should be at the top.) Low vitamin D levels have also been associated with poor Covid.
I had not heard this before and cannot find that information. I do know that not all those who died from Covid-19 had those problems.
[/quote] You are kidding, right? One of many many articles that pop up on most search engines: www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-who-is-at-risk/art-20483301If Google ever lets you down on a search, then try Yahoo or DuckDuckGo. They are less politicized. No where did I say that "all" who died from Covid-19 had those problems. But they are widely known to increase your risk of a poor outcome. (I didn't think I was saying anything even remotely controversial here.) [/quote] OMG!, -Sharon!
I have tried an answer your posts in a civil manner!
But never mind. Just forget it!
I give up!
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 1, 2021 21:49:12 GMT -5
IMO
At this point nobody that I know of has the TRUE numbers of COVID-19 . Or any other things that may predispose such as age , weight and diabetes and such , and a long list of other things . Probably never will . There are many other health issues that show up after the patient is diagnosed with COVID-19 . My daughter was only 39 . But she had had HEP C about 10 years ago . She battled that and with new meds and with science advancement , she has was cured . However her liver became compromised by COVID-19 . 2 days after COVID-19 was verified with her , she started to turn yellow . She was on ventilator . I spoke with her team in ICU . I told the doctors she had had Hep C . They checked her medical records and verified she did not have Hep C ........ she also was paralyzed by COVID-19 from the waist down . No explanation given . Weird things happening ! In Alberta it is surging to people in their 20’s . Here today then they are gone tomorrow . People with health issues do not want to go to hospital because of COVID-19 They stay away and pass from something else .
Total will never be known . The damage done when on ventilator’s with Covid-19 is coming up in different ways . I still wear a mask 😷 to appointment’s . In the car , I bring a mask on my daily walk as some don’t have a mask on and pass by just a foot away .
Either way it’s sad . But each to their own . However I was adamant that my kids whom live with me get vaccinated ! I said you are living in my house . Get the shot or there will be two scenarios . Get it or get out of my house first one , second one . I will drag you out of the house and drive you to get it from our pharmacist even though I don’t have a license , I will wait till you bring out your vaccine 💉 card ! Perhaps the universe and Mother Earth are the cause . Maybe fed up with us abusing them and environment . Who knows ? Over 400000 new cases in India 🇮🇳 today ! I don’t even what to live in this city while we get beaten down !
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 1, 2021 22:02:20 GMT -5
My daughter went to doctors today . She is having anxiety and panic attacks now . She was given a new prescription , she asked our pharmacist about it . She just got home and handed me the bottle . I checked and said yep I agree . I don’t want benzodiazepines to be given to her . We all make our on choice’s !
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 1, 2021 22:14:57 GMT -5
Further more I HAD A UP CLOSE VIEW OF COVID-19 . Ya wanna know about it , become a nurse , doctor or parents or loss a parent I learn it , lived with it , cried from it but still lost my child , up close and personal . But it’s a free country , do whatever you want . But be sure to check every angle as well . You cannot be a professional baseball pitcher if you are blind . Wow I sometimes I freak myself out with what comes outta my mouth 👄 and brain 🧠 . IMO
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Post by fred on May 1, 2021 23:44:23 GMT -5
Wow!! .... is this North American logic?
What is basically being said here is 'I should be able to do whatever I like even if it impacts negatively on my neighbour'.
And since when has obesity been a transmissable disease? Folks take responsibility for their own lives, but not at the expense of another's life.
By your reasoning I should feel entitled to drive down a country road at 150km/hr with no licence, in an unregistered, uninsured vehicle.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 23:48:08 GMT -5
Wow!! .... is this North American logic? What is basically being said here is 'I should be able to do whatever I like even if it impacts negatively on my neighbour'. And since when has obesity been a transmissable disease? Folks take responsibility for their own lives, but not at the expense of another's life. By your reasoning I should feel entitled to drive down a country road at 150km/hr with no licence, in an unregistered, uninsured vehicle. boy did you miss the point....
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Post by dmmichgood on May 2, 2021 0:02:50 GMT -5
Wow!! .... is this North American logic? What is basically being said here is 'I should be able to do whatever I like even if it impacts negatively on my neighbour'. And since when has obesity been a transmissable disease? Folks take responsibility for their own lives, but not at the expense of another's life. By your reasoning I should feel entitled to drive down a country road at 150km/hr with no licence, in an unregistered, uninsured vehicle. boy did you miss the point.... I think Fred understood it somewhat better than you do Wally!
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Post by fixit on May 2, 2021 4:35:06 GMT -5
If terrorists went around killing thousands of Americans there would be an effort to fix the problem.
Those pedalling anti-vax and anti-covid propaganda kill thousands of Americans but the "free speech" god is untouchable.
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Post by Lee on May 2, 2021 10:37:03 GMT -5
If terrorists went around killing thousands of Americans there would be an effort to fix the problem. Those pedalling anti-vax and anti-covid propaganda kill thousands of Americans but the "free speech" god is untouchable. Good. Free speech is a firewall against tyranny.
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Post by Dan on May 2, 2021 11:26:04 GMT -5
I had another one deleted, so if there's no link above, its because Pro Boards won't allow any dissenting opinions and removed it.
Good video. I forwarded it to my ‘fessing aunt and uncle. My aunt was a colonel in the army and directed the prenatal ward of the army hospital in Las Vegas. My uncle was a medic in Vietnam. She replied: “Yes we belief it is a media controlled political event used to bring fear to the world thru making people belief it is a medical issue The injection is gene altering therapy not a vaccine We must inform as many people we can share the video with everyone you know Our job is to help wake up America This is all about making us fearful so they can control us Love You “
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2021 11:51:59 GMT -5
boy did you miss the point.... I think Fred understood it somewhat better than you do Wally!
i doubt it...
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Post by Grant on May 2, 2021 12:13:30 GMT -5
I had another one deleted, so if there's no link above, its because Pro Boards won't allow any dissenting opinions and removed it.
Good video. I forwarded it to my ‘fessing aunt and uncle. My aunt was a colonel in the army and directed the prenatal ward of the army hospital in Las Vegas. My uncle was a medic in Vietnam. She replied: “Yes we belief it is a media controlled political event used to bring fear to the world thru making people belief it is a medical issue The injection is gene altering therapy not a vaccine We must inform as many people we can share the video with everyone you know Our job is to help wake up America This is all about making us fearful so they can control us Love You “ He's not a on immunologist let alone a respected one but is a TV presenter and producer and heads an anti vaccine movement.
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Post by Dan on May 2, 2021 12:47:19 GMT -5
Good video. I forwarded it to my ‘fessing aunt and uncle. My aunt was a colonel in the army and directed the prenatal ward of the army hospital in Las Vegas. My uncle was a medic in Vietnam. She replied: “Yes we belief it is a media controlled political event used to bring fear to the world thru making people belief it is a medical issue The injection is gene altering therapy not a vaccine We must inform as many people we can share the video with everyone you know Our job is to help wake up America This is all about making us fearful so they can control us Love You “ He's not a on immunologist let alone a respected one but is a TV presenter and producer and heads an anti vaccine movement.
Your confusing the interviewer with the interviewee, the host just explains what the researcher is saying. Here is Vanden Bossche resume, his credentials far surpass your average everyday Immunologist
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 2, 2021 12:48:51 GMT -5
Well anti mask protests were uneventful . Maybe 50 people from a church whom continue to break the law . People just left them alone . Why , cause we are in a surge presently . No police needed . Now why would that be ? I guess they majority of people are exercising their right to be safe in Calgary . During the surge .
If some on here are certain this a hoax , please head to your local hospital and help . Show your love to families that have or will lose a loved one . Then head to the ICU & CCU . Perhaps massage the doctors and nurses whom are working up 36 hours and then the doctors whom backs are tense and minds and hearts are aching . As they have to choose whom continue’s to get treatment , the viable patient’s only . While there ask the staff to explain why they fear COVID-19 . Don’t sit on sidelines , jump in with both feet . Usually good to observe such stuff so you can teach us ............................. about
COVID-19 UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL ! All talk but no action ? Go work in a shelter for the homeless , it too would be appreciated as well . Tend to them , make food , clean their wounds as well . IMO
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2021 12:53:11 GMT -5
He's not a on immunologist let alone a respected one but is a TV presenter and producer and heads an anti vaccine movement.
Your confusing the interviewer with the interviewee, the host just explains what the researcher is saying. Here is Vanden Bossche resume, his credentials far surpass your average everyday Immunologist
uh oh i wonder how this will get spun by censorship thugs...
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Post by dmmichgood on May 2, 2021 13:04:22 GMT -5
Give me one, -just one, "respected Immunologist," who makes counter arguments against the vaccine.
I had another one deleted, so if there's no link above, its because Pro Boards won't allow any dissenting opinions and removed it.
I had another one deleted, so if there's no link above, its because Pro Boards won't allow any dissenting opinions and removed it.
Dan, here is your post about the man you are presenting as your "evidence " Geert Vanden Bossche Stokes Fear of COVID-19 Vaccine To Promote His Own Flawed ‘Solution’
Anti-vaccine activists are promoting a veterinarian's claim that the only way to prevent a future COVID-19 vaccination-related calamity is through a product he claims to have invented.
On March 6, 2021, a Belgian veterinarian named Geert Vanden Bossche published an open letter “to all authorities, scientists and experts around the world” asserting that, in his expert analysis, the current global COVID-19 vaccination program will “wipe out large parts of our human population.”
The way to avoid this purported calamity, Vanden Bossche asserts, is for scientists to pay more attention to his own invention — a “universal vaccine” that uses the body’s innate immune system to kill SARS-CoV-2.
Perhaps no more tired a trope exists in the world of faux cures than the “I have found a problem that no other scientist in the world has thought of and only my untested and unproven cure can stop it” gambit
Vanden Bossche has been able to avoid allegations of peddling such a cure — at least in the credulous anti-vaccine community — because his resume legitimately includes stints at companies or initiatives involved in vaccine development, including The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
Since 2014, however, he has been trying (apparently unsuccessfully) to develop his so-called universal vaccine. A company claiming to develop such a product is currently registered to an address identified on Yelp as his veterinary practice.
Vanden Bossche’s scientific argument in broad terms is that the current COVID-19 vaccines, through a mechanism analogous to antibiotic resistance, will create mutant variants of the virus that escape the protection of those vaccines.
This problem will be exacerbated, he claims, because people who have been vaccinated (and/or social distancing and staying inside during the pandemic) will be less capable of fighting off those strains than someone who has not been vaccinated. As we explain below, this scenario is speculative, scientifically flawed, logically inconsistent, and belied by actual data.
(Vanden Bossche did not respond to a detailed list of questions sent by Snopes on March 23, 2021.)
Vanden Bossche’s Flawed Science:
Vanden Bossche presented his ideas to the public in a series of open letters or powerpoint presentations on his personal website.
He asserts that his statements “are based on nothing else but science.” While Vanden Bossche’s ideas may be rooted in actual scientific concepts, his argument quite explicitly relies on sweeping assumptions.
In the first two letters alone, he uses some variation of the phrase “it is reasonable to assume” at least seven time. These assumptions come without scientific studies or data to support them and — indeed — are not always reasonable.
For complete article https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/03/26/geert-vanden-bossche/
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Post by Dan on May 2, 2021 13:06:03 GMT -5
Well anti mask protests were uneventful . Maybe 50 people from a church whom continue to break the law . People just left them alone . Why , cause we are in a surge presently . No police needed . Now why would that be ? I guess they majority of people are exercising their right to be safe in Calgary . During the surge . If some on here are certain if is a hoax , please head to your local hospital and help . Show your love to families that have or will lose a loved one . Then head to the ICU & CCU . Perhaps massage the doctors and nurses whom are working up 36 hours and then the doctors whom backs and minds are aching . As they have to choose whom continue’s to get treatment , the viable patient’s only . While there ask the staff to explain why they fear COVID-19 . Don’t sit on sidelines , jump in with both feet . Usually good to observe such stuff so you can teach us ............................. about COVID-19 UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL ! IMO
I think that the hesitancy of anti-vaxxers is just a mistrust of the long term safety of the mRNA vaccines, and not a denial that the virus isn't dangerous or deadly.
The anti-mask protest are more of a protest that churches are being singled-out more than other places where people gather together? Seems unfair.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 2, 2021 13:11:55 GMT -5
There is not a single soul on earth that knows all about COVID-19 ! Not ONE
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 2, 2021 13:20:49 GMT -5
The church dude is a street preacher . Not ordained . They are not the only ones , believe me . Parties and gatherings happen as well . We are free to do whatever we want ! I was talking with a friend whom I have not seen in over a year . We talked about a girl's night . Which usually ended with a sleepover . We have had shots , but still hesitant . She has a bad heart . Not one person on this who knows how the variants will complicate us . So no ladies night !
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Post by dmmichgood on May 2, 2021 13:23:18 GMT -5
I think that the hesitancy of anti-vaxxers is just a mistrust of the long term safety of the mRNA vaccines, and not a denial that the virus isn't dangerous or deadly.
The anti-mask protest are more of a protest that churches are being singled-out more than other places where people gather together? Seems unfair. At the time theses two pictures were taken, airplanes were not even flying, when they did it was only with every other seat being occupied .
Which at the same time churches were allowed to do the same.
Therefore those two pictures you use together gives false information.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 2, 2021 13:23:25 GMT -5
At the time theses two pictures were taken, airplanes were not even flying, when they did it was only with every other seat being occupied . Which at the same time churches were allowed to do the same. Therefore those two pictures you use together gives false information. Yes my many flights to Saskatoon and back were following the 6 foot rules ! I hate flying and each trip was white knuckling as I had no vaccinations at that time . I was actually moved to first class after the flight attendants watched me cry and asked me why . I shared my story and they checked on me often during that hour .
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