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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 20:05:51 GMT -5
i don't normally talk about them as its not a good idea to become obsessed with them BUT, angels were spoken on in meeting today and their numbers were wondered about.
i offer 3 views on this:
1st view
Mat_26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
a legion at the time of Christ was somewhere between 3k-6k troops. 12 legions x 6k = 72,000 angels if you divide that in half or 36k that would give you 1/3 of the angels. multiply by 3 and you have the total number of angels before the fall at about 108,000 angels...
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2nd view
Rev_5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
depending on whether you think that means saints or angels or both we get the following if its just angels.
10k by 10k = 100 million angels divide that in half and we get 50m or 1/3 of the angels. multiply by 3 and you have the total number of angels before the fall at about 150 million angels...
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3rd view
then of course we have nathans theory of Trillions of beings. breakdowns unknown...
i lean view #1 but open to #2 and of course avoid #3...
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Post by nathan on Mar 28, 2021 22:05:16 GMT -5
i don't normally talk about them as its not a good idea to become obsessed with them BUT, angels were spoken on in meeting today and their numbers were wondered about. i offer 3 views on this: 1st view Mat_26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? a legion at the time of Christ was somewhere between 3k-6k troops. 12 legions x 6k = 72,000 angels if you divide that in half or 36k that would give you 1/3 of the angels. multiply by 3 and you have the total number of angels before the fall at about 108,000 angels... -------------- 2nd view Rev_5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; depending on whether you think that means saints or angels or both we get the following if its just angels. 10k by 10k = 100 million angels divide that in half and we get 50m or 1/3 of the angels. multiply by 3 and you have the total number of angels before the fall at about 150 million angels... ------------ 3rd view then of course we have nathans theory of Trillions of beings. breakdowns unknown... i lean view #1 but open to #2 and of course avoid #3... Let me clarified my understanding... Jesus revealed the 12 legions of angels= 72,000 of angels standing by waiting to help Jesus. The book of revelation it mentioned the great multitude of angels over 150 millions of angels in heaven NOT mentioning about 1/3 of the fallen angels on earth.
There are trillions of Intelligence Races of beings or ETs who God and Christ created billions years ago to populate the Universe in the Trillions galaxies in our Universe/s before THEY created Adamic race on earth 6000 years ago. The Godhead wants to gather a BIG family from the billions races of beings living in trillions galaxies in the Universe NOT just the SAVED humans on Earth.God the Father and Christ created the Adamic race in THEIR God image to help them to RULE and REIGN over these trillions Intelligence races in the Universe! Adam and Eve failed by disobeying God and Christ by following Satan/Serpent in the Garden of Eden instead Christ and God the Father. 2000 years ago, Christ came down from heaven to die for the Adamic race sinners to RESTORE/Born again, the image of God back to them so they can RULE and REIGN with Christ when he came back to earth as KING of kings and LORD of lords on earth and the Universe 1000 years. This was and is God plan before the creation of the world/Universe.God created the angels so, they can be His servants as messengers and to protect the children of Israel and God's people to finish the race unto the end but many will NOT reach to the finish line. Satan, the fallen angels on earth, and their EVIL Children Cabal/Illuminati the Seed of Cain will make sure NOT too many will enter heaven and be with Christ, God the Father, the Holy Spirit, God's people and the Holy angels of God.Rev. 12:7-9 7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.The human looking Guardian angels are still on earth today doing God's work as they were in the days of Lot when the TWO human looking angels=the Venusians rescued Lot's and his family and they destroyed/burned the wicked people in Sodom and Gomorrah cities to dust and ashes.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 28, 2021 22:25:51 GMT -5
i don't normally talk about them as its not a good idea to become obsessed with them BUT, angels were spoken on in meeting today and their numbers were wondered about. i offer 3 views on this: 1st viewMat_26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? a legion at the time of Christ was somewhere between 3k-6k troops. 12 legions x 6k = 72,000 angels if you divide that in half or 36k that would give you 1/3 of the angels. multiply by 3 and you have the total number of angels before the fall at about 108,000 angels... -------------- 2nd viewRev_5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; depending on whether you think that means saints or angels or both we get the following if its just angels. 10k by 10k = 100 million angels divide that in half and we get 50m or 1/3 of the angels. multiply by 3 and you have the total number of angels before the fall at about 150 million angels... ------------ 3rd view then of course we have nathans theory of Trillions of beings. breakdowns unknown... i lean view #1 but open to #2 and of course avoid #3... My view is that the most important thing about angels is, "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?"
That supposed challenge to medieval scholasticism about angelology was attributed to such figures such as Duns Scotus and Thomas Aquinas, -however has not ever been confirmed.
However, I maintain that it is VERY important!
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 28, 2021 23:32:28 GMT -5
i don't normally talk about them as its not a good idea to become obsessed with them BUT, angels were spoken on in meeting today and their numbers were wondered about. i offer 3 views on this: 1st view Mat_26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? a legion at the time of Christ was somewhere between 3k-6k troops. 12 legions x 6k = 72,000 angels if you divide that in half or 36k that would give you 1/3 of the angels. multiply by 3 and you have the total number of angels before the fall at about 108,000 angels... -------------- 2nd view Rev_5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; depending on whether you think that means saints or angels or both we get the following if its just angels. 10k by 10k = 100 million angels divide that in half and we get 50m or 1/3 of the angels. multiply by 3 and you have the total number of angels before the fall at about 150 million angels... ------------ 3rd view then of course we have nathans theory of Trillions of beings. breakdowns unknown... i lean view #1 but open to #2 and of course avoid #3... Let me clarified my understanding... Jesus revealed the 12 legions of angels= 72,000 of angels standing by waiting to help Jesus. The book of revelation it mentioned the great multitude of angels over 150 millions of angels in heaven NOT mentioning about 1/3 of the fallen angels on earth.
There are trillions of Intelligence Races of beings or ETs who God and Christ created billions years ago to populate the Universe in the Trillions galaxies in our Universe/s before THEY created Adamic race on earth 6000 years ago. The Godhead wants to gather a BIG family from the billions races of beings living in trillions galaxies in the Universe NOT just the SAVED humans on Earth.God the Father and Christ created the Adamic race in THEIR God image to help them to RULE and REIGN over these trillions Intelligence races in the Universe! Adam and Eve failed by disobeying God and Christ by following Satan/Serpent in the Garden of Eden instead Christ and God the Father. 2000 years ago, Christ came down from heaven to die for the Adamic race sinners to RESTORE/Born again, the image of God back to them so they can RULE and REIGN with Christ when he came back to earth as KING of kings and LORD of lords on earth and the Universe 1000 years. This was and is God plan before the creation of the world/Universe.God created the angels so, they can be His servants as messengers and to protect the children of Israel and God's people to finish the race unto the end but many will NOT reach to the finish line. Satan, the fallen angels on earth, and their EVIL Children Cabal/Illuminati the Seed of Cain will make sure NOT too many will enter heaven and be with Christ, God the Father, the Holy Spirit, God's people and the Holy angels of God.Rev. 12:7-9 7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.The human looking Guardian angels are still on earth today doing God's work as they were in the days of Lot when the TWO human looking angels=the Venusians rescued Lot's and his family and they destroyed/burned the wicked people in Sodom and Gomorrah cities to dust and ashes.
George Dubbya once asked: "How many is a bazillion?"
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 29, 2021 0:06:34 GMT -5
The Irish call them leprechauns.
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Post by nathan on Mar 29, 2021 0:08:23 GMT -5
Let me clarified my understanding... Jesus revealed the 12 legions of angels= 72,000 of angels standing by waiting to help Jesus. The book of revelation it mentioned the great multitude of angels over 150 millions of angels in heaven NOT mentioning about 1/3 of the fallen angels on earth.
There are trillions of Intelligence Races of beings or ETs who God and Christ created billions years ago to populate the Universe in the Trillions galaxies in our Universe/s before THEY created Adamic race on earth 6000 years ago. The Godhead wants to gather a BIG family from the billions races of beings living in trillions galaxies in the Universe NOT just the SAVED humans on Earth.God the Father and Christ created the Adamic race in THEIR God image to help them to RULE and REIGN over these trillions Intelligence races in the Universe! Adam and Eve failed by disobeying God and Christ by following Satan/Serpent in the Garden of Eden instead Christ and God the Father. 2000 years ago, Christ came down from heaven to die for the Adamic race sinners to RESTORE/Born again, the image of God back to them so they can RULE and REIGN with Christ when he came back to earth as KING of kings and LORD of lords on earth and the Universe 1000 years. This was and is God plan before the creation of the world/Universe.God created the angels so, they can be His servants as messengers and to protect the children of Israel and God's people to finish the race unto the end but many will NOT reach to the finish line. Satan, the fallen angels on earth, and their EVIL Children Cabal/Illuminati the Seed of Cain will make sure NOT too many will enter heaven and be with Christ, God the Father, the Holy Spirit, God's people and the Holy angels of God.Rev. 12:7-9 7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.The human looking Guardian angels are still on earth today doing God's work as they were in the days of Lot when the TWO human looking angels=the Venusians rescued Lot's and his family and they destroyed/burned the wicked people in Sodom and Gomorrah cities to dust and ashes.
George Dubbya once asked: "How many is a bazillion?" More than Millions... That why John didn't know the exact numbers of angels in heaven.... over 150 millions plus.
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 3, 2021 10:08:45 GMT -5
i don't normally talk about them as its not a good idea to become obsessed with them BUT, angels were spoken on in meeting today and their numbers were wondered about. i offer 3 views on this: 1st view Mat_26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? a legion at the time of Christ was somewhere between 3k-6k troops. 12 legions x 6k = 72,000 angels if you divide that in half or 36k that would give you 1/3 of the angels. multiply by 3 and you have the total number of angels before the fall at about 108,000 angels... -------------- 2nd view Rev_5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; depending on whether you think that means saints or angels or both we get the following if its just angels. 10k by 10k = 100 million angels divide that in half and we get 50m or 1/3 of the angels. multiply by 3 and you have the total number of angels before the fall at about 150 million angels... ------------ 3rd view then of course we have nathans theory of Trillions of beings. breakdowns unknown... i lean view #1 but open to #2 and of course avoid #3... I dont care how many angels there are. Angels are adorable some so serene and holy filled with glory Some warriors, some ministering, some heal us Worshiping angels are around the throne constantly worshiping. Whatever assignment the father gives them They are loyal to the father and christ If we could see how many surround us in real time i think we would be surprised. You only have to ask him. "You have not bz you ask not" "Knock on the door and the door will be opened unto you" I remember i was abt 14 and saw the glory ontop of a female workers head. She coped well. But was surprised. Well that answers a lot of questions...also explains a lot !!
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WHY? Does quoting relevant scripture send the 2x2;s into sometimes a nasty response??
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Post by magpies39plus on Apr 4, 2021 17:23:01 GMT -5
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