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Post by mountain on Mar 29, 2021 14:19:32 GMT -5
A clear NO to the emboldened question. Jesus did not precede his natural birth except in the mind and plan of God. Here are many verses from the Old and New Testament it shows God/Christ in the Old Testament foretold his time coming to earth incarnated as Jesus the Son of Man and God. God/Christ in the Old Testament and Jesus in the New Testament are the SAME Being/Spirit of ONE person.Jesus of the New Testament, and "Yahweh/God Christ" of the Old Testament are one and the same BEING/Spirit.
Yahweh is The Creator: Isa.40:28 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Creator: John 1:3 (Jesus)
Yahweh is the First and Last: Isa. 41:4 44:6 (Yahweh) Jesus is the First and Last: Rev. 1:17 2:8 & 22:13 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Lord of Lords: Deut. 10:17 (Yahweh) Jesus is the Lord of Lords: 1 Tim. 6:15 (Jesus)
Yahweh is the Savior: Isa 45:21 43:11 (Yahweh) Jesus is the Savior. John 4:42 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Light: Psa. 27:1, Isa. 60: 19-20 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Light. John 1:1-9 & 8:12 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Shepherd: Ps. 23:1 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Shepherd: John 10:11 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Glory of God: Isa. 42:8 48:11 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Glory of God: John 17:1, 5 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Redeemer: Isa. 41:14, Jer. 50:34, (Yahweh) Jesus is The Redeemer: Rev. 5:9 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Rock: Ps. 18:2 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Rock: 1 Cor. 10:4 (Jesus)
Yahweh is the Creator of angels: Psa. 148:5 (Yahweh) Jesus is the Creator of Angels: Col. 1:16 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The I AM: Ex. 3:14 (Yahweh)Jesus is The I AM: John 8:58 18:5,6 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Bridegroom: Isa. 62:5 Hosea 2:16 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Bridegroom: Rev. 21: 2, Matt. 25:11 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Judge: Joel 3:12 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Judge: John 5:27 Matt. 25:31-46 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Forgiver of sins: Jere. 31:34 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Forgiver of sins: Mark 2:7, 10 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Holy One: Isa. 43:3 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Holy One: Acts 3:14 (Jesus)
Both Raised the dead: 1 Sam2:6 (Yahweh) John 5:21 (Jesus) Both were Worshiped by angels: Ps. 148:2 (Yahweh) Heb. 1:6 (Jesus)
Both are confessed as LORD - Every knee is going to bow and every tongue confess Isa. 45:21-23 (Yahweh); Phil2:9-11 (Jesus)
I'm not going to get embroiled in another pointless verse by verse debate where you do not consider any counter argument to what you believe. You do not seem to understand that God is our saviour. He does this through his beloved human being son, Jesus. All that Jesus did, it was not Jesus doing it himself, but it was God working through him. Of himself Jesus clearly tells us that he is nothing. All good things come from God. Why callest thou me good? Whatever Jesus did, it was God working through him. He was his Father's obedient servant. All that he did was on behalf of and authorised by his Heavenly Father. Until you grasp that you will remain in your confusion. When Jesus spoke, it was God speaking through him. Jesus is the 'express image' of God. Man was created in the image of God. Man was supposed to express God through the way we lead our lives. However, we know what happened with that idea. Jesus was raised up by God to express his image amongst us, so that we had a means to be saved and an example to follow in seeking that goal. (Virgs)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 14:48:15 GMT -5
Here are many verses from the Old and New Testament it shows God/Christ in the Old Testament foretold his time coming to earth incarnated as Jesus the Son of Man and God. God/Christ in the Old Testament and Jesus in the New Testament are the SAME Being/Spirit of ONE person.Jesus of the New Testament, and "Yahweh/God Christ" of the Old Testament are one and the same BEING/Spirit.
Yahweh is The Creator: Isa.40:28 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Creator: John 1:3 (Jesus)
Yahweh is the First and Last: Isa. 41:4 44:6 (Yahweh) Jesus is the First and Last: Rev. 1:17 2:8 & 22:13 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Lord of Lords: Deut. 10:17 (Yahweh) Jesus is the Lord of Lords: 1 Tim. 6:15 (Jesus)
Yahweh is the Savior: Isa 45:21 43:11 (Yahweh) Jesus is the Savior. John 4:42 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Light: Psa. 27:1, Isa. 60: 19-20 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Light. John 1:1-9 & 8:12 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Shepherd: Ps. 23:1 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Shepherd: John 10:11 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Glory of God: Isa. 42:8 48:11 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Glory of God: John 17:1, 5 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Redeemer: Isa. 41:14, Jer. 50:34, (Yahweh) Jesus is The Redeemer: Rev. 5:9 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Rock: Ps. 18:2 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Rock: 1 Cor. 10:4 (Jesus)
Yahweh is the Creator of angels: Psa. 148:5 (Yahweh) Jesus is the Creator of Angels: Col. 1:16 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The I AM: Ex. 3:14 (Yahweh)Jesus is The I AM: John 8:58 18:5,6 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Bridegroom: Isa. 62:5 Hosea 2:16 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Bridegroom: Rev. 21: 2, Matt. 25:11 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Judge: Joel 3:12 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Judge: John 5:27 Matt. 25:31-46 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Forgiver of sins: Jere. 31:34 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Forgiver of sins: Mark 2:7, 10 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Holy One: Isa. 43:3 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Holy One: Acts 3:14 (Jesus)
Both Raised the dead: 1 Sam2:6 (Yahweh) John 5:21 (Jesus) Both were Worshiped by angels: Ps. 148:2 (Yahweh) Heb. 1:6 (Jesus)
Both are confessed as LORD - Every knee is going to bow and every tongue confess Isa. 45:21-23 (Yahweh); Phil2:9-11 (Jesus)
I'm not going to get embroiled in another pointless verse by verse debate where you do not consider any counter argument to what you believe. You do not seem to understand that God is our saviour. He does this through his beloved human being son, Jesus. All that Jesus did, it was not Jesus doing it himself, but it was God working through him. Of himself Jesus clearly tells us that he is nothing. All good things come from God. Why callest thou me good? Whatever Jesus did, it was God working through him. He was his Father's obedient servant. All that he did was on behalf of and authorised by his Heavenly Father. Until you grasp that you will remain in your confusion. When Jesus spoke, it was God speaking through him. Jesus is the 'express image' of God. Man was created in the image of God. Man was supposed to express God through the way we lead our lives. However, we know what happened with that idea. Jesus was raised up by God to express his image amongst us, so that we had a means to be saved and an example to follow in seeking that goal. (Virgs) and the debate begins....
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Post by mountain on Mar 29, 2021 18:02:28 GMT -5
I'm not going to get embroiled in another pointless verse by verse debate where you do not consider any counter argument to what you believe. You do not seem to understand that God is our saviour. He does this through his beloved human being son, Jesus. All that Jesus did, it was not Jesus doing it himself, but it was God working through him. Of himself Jesus clearly tells us that he is nothing. All good things come from God. Why callest thou me good? Whatever Jesus did, it was God working through him. He was his Father's obedient servant. All that he did was on behalf of and authorised by his Heavenly Father. Until you grasp that you will remain in your confusion. When Jesus spoke, it was God speaking through him. Jesus is the 'express image' of God. Man was created in the image of God. Man was supposed to express God through the way we lead our lives. However, we know what happened with that idea. Jesus was raised up by God to express his image amongst us, so that we had a means to be saved and an example to follow in seeking that goal. (Virgs) and the debate begins.... No debate. It's been Virgsed!
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Post by speak on Mar 29, 2021 18:52:05 GMT -5
and the debate begins.... No debate. It's been Virgsed! nice.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 19:28:23 GMT -5
and the debate begins.... No debate. It's been Virgsed! we'll see its nates move now...a data dump may be in your near future...
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Post by nathan on Mar 29, 2021 21:45:19 GMT -5
Here are many verses from the Old and New Testament it shows God/Christ in the Old Testament foretold his time coming to earth incarnated as Jesus the Son of Man and God. God/Christ in the Old Testament and Jesus in the New Testament are the SAME Being/Spirit of ONE person.Jesus of the New Testament, and "Yahweh/God Christ" of the Old Testament are one and the same BEING/Spirit.
Yahweh is The Creator: Isa.40:28 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Creator: John 1:3 (Jesus)
Yahweh is the First and Last: Isa. 41:4 44:6 (Yahweh) Jesus is the First and Last: Rev. 1:17 2:8 & 22:13 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Lord of Lords: Deut. 10:17 (Yahweh) Jesus is the Lord of Lords: 1 Tim. 6:15 (Jesus)
Yahweh is the Savior: Isa 45:21 43:11 (Yahweh) Jesus is the Savior. John 4:42 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Light: Psa. 27:1, Isa. 60: 19-20 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Light. John 1:1-9 & 8:12 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Shepherd: Ps. 23:1 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Shepherd: John 10:11 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Glory of God: Isa. 42:8 48:11 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Glory of God: John 17:1, 5 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Redeemer: Isa. 41:14, Jer. 50:34, (Yahweh) Jesus is The Redeemer: Rev. 5:9 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Rock: Ps. 18:2 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Rock: 1 Cor. 10:4 (Jesus)
Yahweh is the Creator of angels: Psa. 148:5 (Yahweh) Jesus is the Creator of Angels: Col. 1:16 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The I AM: Ex. 3:14 (Yahweh)Jesus is The I AM: John 8:58 18:5,6 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Bridegroom: Isa. 62:5 Hosea 2:16 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Bridegroom: Rev. 21: 2, Matt. 25:11 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Judge: Joel 3:12 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Judge: John 5:27 Matt. 25:31-46 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Forgiver of sins: Jere. 31:34 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Forgiver of sins: Mark 2:7, 10 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Holy One: Isa. 43:3 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Holy One: Acts 3:14 (Jesus)
Both Raised the dead: 1 Sam2:6 (Yahweh) John 5:21 (Jesus) Both were Worshiped by angels: Ps. 148:2 (Yahweh) Heb. 1:6 (Jesus)
Both are confessed as LORD - Every knee is going to bow and every tongue confess Isa. 45:21-23 (Yahweh); Phil2:9-11 (Jesus)
I'm not going to get embroiled in another pointless verse by verse debate where you do not consider any counter argument to what you believe. You do not seem to understand that God is our saviour. He does this through his beloved human being son, Jesus. All that Jesus did, it was not Jesus doing it himself, but it was God working through him. Of himself Jesus clearly tells us that he is nothing. All good things come from God. Why callest thou me good? Whatever Jesus did, it was God working through him. He was his Father's obedient servant. All that he did was on behalf of and authorised by his Heavenly Father. Until you grasp that you will remain in your confusion. When Jesus spoke, it was God speaking through him. Jesus is the 'express image' of God. Man was created in the image of God. Man was supposed to express God through the way we lead our lives. However, we know what happened with that idea. Jesus was raised up by God to express his image amongst us, so that we had a means to be saved and an example to follow in seeking that goal. (Virgs) Your understanding is INCOMPLETE, God the Father is NOT our Savior but our Creator and Father, Christ/God Jesus, it is HE who died for our sins on Calvary's Cross. God the Father did NOT die for our sins, He sent Christ to be our Redeemer and he became our Savior.
Christ/God is our Creator, He became our Redeemer and Savior in the person Jesus the Son of man and God! God the Father and Christ are our Creators, THEY create the humans in their image. God/Elohim/plural said to one another Gen 1:26 Let US create man in OUR image and in OUR Likeness.
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Post by nathan on Mar 29, 2021 21:47:08 GMT -5
No debate. It's been Virgsed! we'll see its nates move now...a data dump may be in your near future... hahaha... I will try NOT to dump too much data on him, yet.
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Post by mountain on Mar 30, 2021 1:01:00 GMT -5
I'm not going to get embroiled in another pointless verse by verse debate where you do not consider any counter argument to what you believe. You do not seem to understand that God is our saviour. He does this through his beloved human being son, Jesus. All that Jesus did, it was not Jesus doing it himself, but it was God working through him. Of himself Jesus clearly tells us that he is nothing. All good things come from God. Why callest thou me good? Whatever Jesus did, it was God working through him. He was his Father's obedient servant. All that he did was on behalf of and authorised by his Heavenly Father. Until you grasp that you will remain in your confusion. When Jesus spoke, it was God speaking through him. Jesus is the 'express image' of God. Man was created in the image of God. Man was supposed to express God through the way we lead our lives. However, we know what happened with that idea. Jesus was raised up by God to express his image amongst us, so that we had a means to be saved and an example to follow in seeking that goal. (Virgs) Your understanding is INCOMPLETE, God the Father is NOT our Savior but our Creator and Father, Christ/God Jesus, it is HE who died for our sins on Calvary's Cross. God the Father did NOT die for our sins, He sent Christ to be our Redeemer and he became our Savior.
Christ/God is our Creator, He became our Redeemer and Savior in the person Jesus the Son of man and God! God the Father and Christ are our Creators, THEY create the humans in their image. God/Elohim/plural said to one another Gen 1:26 Let US create man in OUR image and in OUR Likeness.
Read John 3.16!God saved us through Jesus Christ. God provided the sacrifice for our sins and the example in life for us to follow. Contextually Jesus Christ is our means of salvation. Jesus Christ is God's man mediator between himself and man.
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Post by mountain on Mar 30, 2021 1:02:57 GMT -5
we'll see its nates move now...a data dump may be in your near future... hahaha... I will try NOT to dump too much data on him, yet.Data dumps are a smokescreen to avoid proper discussion of a single verse where one person cannot adequately discuss the context and true meaning of that verse. (Virgs)
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Post by nathan on Mar 30, 2021 1:19:40 GMT -5
Your understanding is INCOMPLETE, God the Father is NOT our Savior but our Creator and Father, Christ/God Jesus, it is HE who died for our sins on Calvary's Cross. God the Father did NOT die for our sins, He sent Christ to be our Redeemer and he became our Savior.
Christ/God is our Creator, He became our Redeemer and Savior in the person Jesus the Son of man and God! God the Father and Christ are our Creators, THEY create the humans in their image. God/Elohim/plural said to one another Gen 1:26 Let US create man in OUR image and in OUR Likeness.
Read John 3.16!God saved us through Jesus Christ. God provided the sacrifice for our sins and the example in life for us to follow. Contextually Jesus Christ is our means of salvation. Jesus Christ is God's man mediator between himself and man. God the Father ONLY accepts the blood of the Lamb redemption from God the Son/Christ Jesus and no one else to be our Savior/Salvation. Therefore, Jesus is our mediator between God and us humans because He is God and Man in the same body.
The main reason Christ Jesus sacrificed is accepted by God the Father because He is God the Christ/Yahweh who begotten as a man Jesus to die for our sins as a human on Calvary's Cross. God/Christ doesn't sin so, His blood is pure and white as snow to take away our sins. His body as the Son of Man Jesus could have sinned but the God's nature in Him couldn't sin, He became a perfect sacrificial Lamb of God who takes away all the sins of humanity on Himself.
I want to back up my understanding with scriptures NOT just HOT air or my own words, belief and ideas.
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Post by mountain on Mar 30, 2021 4:21:42 GMT -5
Read John 3.16!God saved us through Jesus Christ. God provided the sacrifice for our sins and the example in life for us to follow. Contextually Jesus Christ is our means of salvation. Jesus Christ is God's man mediator between himself and man. God the Father ONLY accepts the blood of the Lamb redemption from God the Son/Christ Jesus and no one else to be our Savior/Salvation. Therefore, Jesus is our mediator between God and us humans because He is God and Man in the same body.
Scripture does not say this. This is scriptural: 1 Timothy 2.5 'For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
Read and believe and it will be counted unto you for righteousness sake. Read and ADD and it will be to your own condemnation.
The main reason Christ Jesus sacrificed is accepted by God the Father because He is God the Christ/Yahweh who begotten as a man Jesus to die for our sins as a human on Calvary's Cross. God/Christ doesn't sin so, His blood is pure and white as snow to take away our sins. His body as the Son of Man Jesus could have sinned but the God's nature in Him couldn't sin, He became a perfect sacrificial Lamb of God who takes away all the sins of humanity on Himself.
I want to back up my understanding with scriptures NOT just HOT air or my own words, belief and ideas.
You are certainly backing up your understanding with hot air and your own words! Paul was clear in his writings to Timothy that there is only ONE God and there is a mediator between God and man, and that mediator is A MAN, Christ Jesus, not God himself or part of God.
Doth not the camel urinate in the desert place? Doth not shade reduce its rate of evaporation?
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Post by nathan on Mar 30, 2021 9:20:09 GMT -5
God the Father ONLY accepts the blood of the Lamb redemption from God the Son/Christ Jesus and no one else to be our Savior/Salvation. Therefore, Jesus is our mediator between God and us humans because He is God and Man in the same body.
Scripture does not say this. This is scriptural: 1 Timothy 2.5 'For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
Read and believe and it will be counted unto you for righteousness sake. Read and ADD and it will be to your own condemnation.
The main reason Christ Jesus sacrificed is accepted by God the Father because He is God the Christ/Yahweh who begotten as a man Jesus to die for our sins as a human on Calvary's Cross. God/Christ doesn't sin so, His blood is pure and white as snow to take away our sins. His body as the Son of Man Jesus could have sinned but the God's nature in Him couldn't sin, He became a perfect sacrificial Lamb of God who takes away all the sins of humanity on Himself.
I want to back up my understanding with scriptures NOT just HOT air or my own words, belief and ideas.
You are certainly backing up your understanding with hot air and your own words! Paul was clear in his writings to Timothy that there is only ONE God and there is a mediator between God and man, and that mediator is A MAN, Christ Jesus, not God himself or part of God.
Doth not the camel urinate in the desert place? Doth not shade reduce its rate of evaporation?
NOT hot air, Ram.... non-2x2 believers, exes, some current overseers and I have showed you and others on here for over 15 years with the scriptures from Old and New Testament that Yahweh God/Christ and Jesus are the same Divine Being who came to earth at different time to be our God and Savior.
A believer wrote The Son of God in the Old Testament:
Any time the Old Testament Scriptures state that someone saw God, they saw the pre-incarnate Christ, Jesus himself, before he was born and lived as a human being through the virgin birth. John 1:18 states that "no man hath seen God (the Trinity) at any time' the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared (revealed) him." Appearances of Jesus in the Old Testament are theologically called "Christophanies". Christ the Lord God walked, talked in the garden of Eden with Adam and Eve.
The word "God" in the book of Genesis speaks of "Elohim/plural- Father, Christ and Holy Spirit" or the Trinity, but "the LORD, and "the LORD God", who spoke personally to Adam and Eve, Moses, Abraham and many of the Old Testament prophets, is the personal and visible manifestation of God, which is Christ Jesus. The personal name of God in the Old Testament is "Yahweh", translated "LORD" (All Capitol letters) In the KJV, 1 Cor. 15:47 states that Jesus is "The Lord" from heaven,
(Note:) the title "Lord" in this verse has the Greek article "the" Meaning that "The LORD", Hebrew "Yahweh" in the Old Testament, is Jesus, before He left His home in heaven and entered the stream of humanity through the virgin birth. Jesus Christ of the New Testament, and "Yahweh" of the Old Testament are one and the same!
Jesus appeared personally, face to face with Moses and the Old Testament prophets of God. Ex. 33:11 where "the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend." Exodus 24:9-11 Moses and seventy elders of Israel "saw the God of Israel" Jesus is the visible manifestation of "The God of Israel" God, in the person of Jesus, and two angels walked up to Abraham's tent and had dinner with him before they destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, Genesis ch. 18 and 19.
Christ/Jesus in the "Ancient of Days", in Daniel 7: 9-14 (Notice the description is basically the same as the glorified Christ in Rev. 1:12-18. Jesus was in the cloud that followed the children of Israel through the Red Sea. 1 Cor. 10:4 - Ex. 14:14, 19 & 25. The "angel of God" literally means "the appearance of God" (Notice Jesus looked out of the cloud and shot the wheels off of Pharoah's chariots while they were in the dry bottom of the Red Sea!)
The Scriptures clearly teach that "Jesus", of the New Testament, and "Yahweh", translated "LORD", of the Old Testament, are the same person - the Second Person of the Trinity, the "revealed", or "manifest" Person of Almighty God. 1 Cor. 15:47 states that Jesus is "THE Lord" from heaven, (Note: the name "Jesus" has the Greek article "the"). 1 Cor. 1547 is stating that the "Lord", Hebrew "Yahweh" in the Old Testament, is Jesus, before He left his home in heaven and entered the stream of humanity through the virgin birth.
~~ If Christ/Jesus is NOT God or Divine Being you will die in your sins. God the Father forgives our sins through Christ/God Jesus can forgive our sins through believing Him as our Redeemer/Savior. Christ Jesus is God just like unto God the Father and Holy Spirit therefore, His death on Calvary's Cross forgives our sins.
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Post by mountain on Mar 30, 2021 11:03:44 GMT -5
NOT hot air, Ram.... non-2x2 believers, exes, some current overseers and I have showed you and others on here for over 15 years with the scriptures from Old and New Testament that Yahweh God/Christ and Jesus are the same Divine Being who came to earth at different time to be our God and Savior.
A believer wrote The Son of God in the Old Testament:
Any time the Old Testament Scriptures state that someone saw God, they saw the pre-incarnate Christ, Jesus himself, before he was born and lived as a human being through the virgin birth. John 1:18 states that "no man hath seen God (the Trinity) at any time' the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared (revealed) him." Appearances of Jesus in the Old Testament are theologically called "Christophanies". Christ the Lord God walked, talked in the garden of Eden with Adam and Eve.
The word "God" in the book of Genesis speaks of "Elohim/plural- Father, Christ and Holy Spirit" or the Trinity, but "the LORD, and "the LORD God", who spoke personally to Adam and Eve, Moses, Abraham and many of the Old Testament prophets, is the personal and visible manifestation of God, which is Christ Jesus. The personal name of God in the Old Testament is "Yahweh", translated "LORD" (All Capitol letters) In the KJV, 1 Cor. 15:47 states that Jesus is "The Lord" from heaven,
(Note:) the title "Lord" in this verse has the Greek article "the" Meaning that "The LORD", Hebrew "Yahweh" in the Old Testament, is Jesus, before He left His home in heaven and entered the stream of humanity through the virgin birth. Jesus Christ of the New Testament, and "Yahweh" of the Old Testament are one and the same!
Jesus appeared personally, face to face with Moses and the Old Testament prophets of God. Ex. 33:11 where "the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend." Exodus 24:9-11 Moses and seventy elders of Israel "saw the God of Israel" Jesus is the visible manifestation of "The God of Israel" God, in the person of Jesus, and two angels walked up to Abraham's tent and had dinner with him before they destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, Genesis ch. 18 and 19.
Christ/Jesus in the "Ancient of Days", in Daniel 7: 9-14 (Notice the description is basically the same as the glorified Christ in Rev. 1:12-18. Jesus was in the cloud that followed the children of Israel through the Red Sea. 1 Cor. 10:4 - Ex. 14:14, 19 & 25. The "angel of God" literally means "the appearance of God" (Notice Jesus looked out of the cloud and shot the wheels off of Pharoah's chariots while they were in the dry bottom of the Red Sea!)
The Scriptures clearly teach that "Jesus", of the New Testament, and "Yahweh", translated "LORD", of the Old Testament, are the same person - the Second Person of the Trinity, the "revealed", or "manifest" Person of Almighty God. 1 Cor. 15:47 states that Jesus is "THE Lord" from heaven, (Note: the name "Jesus" has the Greek article "the"). 1 Cor. 1547 is stating that the "Lord", Hebrew "Yahweh" in the Old Testament, is Jesus, before He left his home in heaven and entered the stream of humanity through the virgin birth.
~~ If Christ/Jesus is NOT God or Divine Being you will die in your sins. God the Father forgives our sins through Christ/God Jesus can forgive our sins through believing Him as our Redeemer/Savior. Christ Jesus is God just like unto God the Father and Holy Spirit therefore, His death on Calvary's Cross forgives our sins.
I think it was you Nathan, who said something about hot air. Remember what Jesus said to Nicodemus? Unless a man is born from above, he cannot see (understand/comprehend) the Kingdom of God. And, except a man be born from above, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God. Nothing there about Venus!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 14:43:51 GMT -5
God the Father ONLY accepts the blood of the Lamb redemption from God the Son/Christ Jesus and no one else to be our Savior/Salvation. Therefore, Jesus is our mediator between God and us humans because He is God and Man in the same body.
Scripture does not say this. This is scriptural: 1 Timothy 2.5 'For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
Read and believe and it will be counted unto you for righteousness sake. Read and ADD and it will be to your own condemnation.
The main reason Christ Jesus sacrificed is accepted by God the Father because He is God the Christ/Yahweh who begotten as a man Jesus to die for our sins as a human on Calvary's Cross. God/Christ doesn't sin so, His blood is pure and white as snow to take away our sins. His body as the Son of Man Jesus could have sinned but the God's nature in Him couldn't sin, He became a perfect sacrificial Lamb of God who takes away all the sins of humanity on Himself.
I want to back up my understanding with scriptures NOT just HOT air or my own words, belief and ideas.
You are certainly backing up your understanding with hot air and your own words! Paul was clear in his writings to Timothy that there is only ONE God and there is a mediator between God and man, and that mediator is A MAN, Christ Jesus, not God himself or part of God.
Doth not the camel urinate in the desert place? Doth not shade reduce its rate of evaporation?
uh oh here we go...like i said...
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 2, 2021 12:50:39 GMT -5
I wonder whether Nathan preached in coloured words when he was a worker.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 3, 2021 23:08:28 GMT -5
I wonder whether Nathan preached in coloured words when he was a worker. Only 50 shades of black and white.
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