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Post by fixit on Mar 15, 2021 14:21:38 GMT -5
Woops !,
Chuck, If I were you, I don't think you would want to go telling those companies, -nor the share holders either for that matter, -that they are socialist, -and for sure NOT communistic! It is what it is. I didn't define the terms. They are already defined long ago, but people sure are trying to redefine them by muddying the waters and painting socialism as something it's not. Socialism is State control of the means of production. So anything that's not private owned is in the heirachy of the state. "The state" is not just the government. The government may be at the top of the hierarchy and a company that's just gone public may be at the bottom of the heirachy but it has moved from small private owned or individual private owned into the public sector. Here's what business entities are called in New Zealand. Joe starts a shoe shop that he owns by himself, and the business legal entity is " sole trader". He marries, and the business is now owned by Joe and his wife. It's now a " partnership". They decide to incorporate the business and it becomes a separate entity called a " private company". The business grows and needs more capital to open up shoe stores in other cities. Joe and Mrs Joe decide to list the business on the stock exchange as a " public company". That means other Joes can risk their life's savings and share in the profits (if any) that the shoes stores might make. Joe has been working 70-hour weeks since he was a teenager while other kids his age were driving around aimlessly in their hotted up cars, smoking weed, getting drunk and getting one another pregnant. So Joe has done pretty well for himself becoming the envy of many who are "less fortunate". The government decides to put tax-payer's money to commercial risk so everyone can share the profits more equitably. They "nationalise" Joes business and it becomes a " state owned enterprise".
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Post by fixit on Mar 15, 2021 15:04:14 GMT -5
Where do you get the idea this is penalising anyone? It's simply asking everyone to make sure they are not killing their fellow Americans. Weird choice of language. If you were consistent, you'd argue for criminalizing driving, for that too assumes a risk that kills people. What about that phony pcr testing, and phoney scare tactics for a virus that's safe for 99 percent of the population. Never before have we locked people up for a cold. Here's what happens when you "lock people up" properly. You can enjoy FREEDOM again, guilt free. Knowing you're not giving a death sentence to the person next to you (or their grandparents).
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 15, 2021 15:26:57 GMT -5
And not a bit of COVID 19 in sight. I wonder why.
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Post by speak on Mar 15, 2021 17:17:28 GMT -5
That and a course in politics. Just any course would do .
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 16, 2021 17:03:11 GMT -5
I think you need a course in economics. Explain how they are not public/state and private then Bob?. A "public" company is NOT a "state" company. A public company is one whose shares are traded freely on a stock exchange.
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Post by chuck on Mar 16, 2021 18:24:42 GMT -5
Explain how they are not public/state and private then Bob?. A "public" company is NOT a "state" company. A public company is one whose shares are traded freely on a stock exchange. No its not the central state but is in the heirachy of the state. So its like a mini sate within the heirachy of the sate. "At the core of ancient thinking we have found the assumption of natural inequality. Whether in the domestic sphere, in public life or when contemplating the cosmos, Greeks and Romans did not see anything like a level playing field. Rather, they instinctively saw a hierarchy or pyramid":Siedentop Inventing the individual. The Private owned means of production is at the bottom of the pyramid, and when a company goes public it crosses into the heirachy of the state/public sector. "pūblicus (feminine pūblica, neuter pūblicum); first/second-declension adjective of or belonging to the people, state, or community quotations ▼public, general"
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 16, 2021 18:33:39 GMT -5
A "public" company is NOT a "state" company. A public company is one whose shares are traded freely on a stock exchange. No its not the central state but is in the heirachy of the state. So its like a mini sate within the heirachy of the sate. "At the core of ancient thinking we have found the assumption of natural inequality. Whether in the domestic sphere, in public life or when contemplating the cosmos, Greeks and Romans did not see anything like a level playing field. Rather, they instinctively saw a hierarchy or pyramid":Siedentop Inventing the individual. The Private owned means of production is at the bottom of the pyramid, and when a company goes public it crosses into the heirachy of the state/public sector. "pūblicus (feminine pūblica, neuter pūblicum); first/second-declension adjective of or belonging to the people, state, or community quotations ▼public, general" In that case, can you explain to me whether an English Public school such as Winchester is public or private.
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Post by Gene on Mar 16, 2021 19:34:44 GMT -5
A "public" company is NOT a "state" company. A public company is one whose shares are traded freely on a stock exchange. No its not the central state but is in the heirachy of the state. So its like a mini sate within the heirachy of the sate. "At the core of ancient thinking we have found the assumption of natural inequality. Whether in the domestic sphere, in public life or when contemplating the cosmos, Greeks and Romans did not see anything like a level playing field. Rather, they instinctively saw a hierarchy or pyramid":Siedentop Inventing the individual. The Private owned means of production is at the bottom of the pyramid, and when a company goes public it crosses into the heirachy of the state/public sector. "pūblicus (feminine pūblica, neuter pūblicum); first/second-declension adjective of or belonging to the people, state, or community quotations ▼public, general" But a public (that is, stock company) does not belong to "the people." It belongs to its owners, the share holders; no one else. It does not belong to "the people" writ large; nor the state; nor its creditors (for example, bond holders), nor anyone other than its owners.
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Post by chuck on Mar 16, 2021 21:06:06 GMT -5
No its not the central state but is in the heirachy of the state. So its like a mini sate within the heirachy of the sate. "At the core of ancient thinking we have found the assumption of natural inequality. Whether in the domestic sphere, in public life or when contemplating the cosmos, Greeks and Romans did not see anything like a level playing field. Rather, they instinctively saw a hierarchy or pyramid":Siedentop Inventing the individual. The Private owned means of production is at the bottom of the pyramid, and when a company goes public it crosses into the heirachy of the state/public sector. "pūblicus (feminine pūblica, neuter pūblicum); first/second-declension adjective of or belonging to the people, state, or community quotations ▼public, general" In that case, can you explain to me whether an English Public school such as Winchester is public or private. Who funds it?.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 16, 2021 21:28:16 GMT -5
A "public" company is NOT a "state" company. A public company is one whose shares are traded freely on a stock exchange. No its not the central state but is in the heirachy of the state. So its like a mini sate within the heirachy of the sate. "At the core of ancient thinking we have found the assumption of natural inequality. Whether in the domestic sphere, in public life or when contemplating the cosmos, Greeks and Romans did not see anything like a level playing field. Rather, they instinctively saw a hierarchy or pyramid":Siedentop Inventing the individual. The Private owned means of production is at the bottom of the pyramid, and when a company goes public it crosses into the heirachy of the state/public sector. "pūblicus (feminine pūblica, neuter pūblicum); first/second-declension adjective of or belonging to the people, state, or community quotations ▼public, general" What??
Chuck! You are saying; "but is in the heirachy of the state. So its like a mini state within the heirachy of the state"?.
You are making my brain ache!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 16, 2021 22:06:56 GMT -5
In that case, can you explain to me whether an English Public school such as Winchester is public or private. Who funds it?. It is privately funded by pupils parents or family etc. Here in NZ they would be called private schools.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2021 22:16:22 GMT -5
It is privately funded by pupils parents or family etc. Here in NZ they would be called private schools. so what are gov't funded schools called if not public?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 16, 2021 22:55:01 GMT -5
It is privately funded by pupils parents or family etc. Here in NZ they would be called private schools. so what are gov't funded schools called if not public? In NZ govt funded school are called public schools and those that cost an arm and a leg to go to are private. In the UK a public school is actually the one that costs an arm and a leg to go to.
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Post by fixit on Mar 17, 2021 5:03:48 GMT -5
A "public" company is NOT a "state" company. A public company is one whose shares are traded freely on a stock exchange. No its not the central state but is in the heirachy of the state. So its like a mini sate within the heirachy of the sate. "At the core of ancient thinking we have found the assumption of natural inequality. Whether in the domestic sphere, in public life or when contemplating the cosmos, Greeks and Romans did not see anything like a level playing field. Rather, they instinctively saw a hierarchy or pyramid":Siedentop Inventing the individual. The Private owned means of production is at the bottom of the pyramid, and when a company goes public it crosses into the heirachy of the state/public sector. "pūblicus (feminine pūblica, neuter pūblicum); first/second-declension adjective of or belonging to the people, state, or community quotations ▼public, general" It simply means that the public (citizens of the country) can buy shares in the company if they wish to.
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Post by fixit on Mar 17, 2021 14:51:48 GMT -5
www.businessinsider.com.au/pastors-quit-after-qanon-radicalize-congregation-2021-3Evangelical Leaders Statement Condemning Christian Nationalism's role in the January 6th InsurrectionCondemning Christian Nationalism's role in the Insurrection January 6As leaders in the broad evangelical community, we recognize and condemn the role Christian Nationalism played in the violent, racist, anti-American insurrection at the United States Capitol on January 6. We recognize the damage done by radicalized Christian Nationalism in the world, the church, and in the lives of individuals and communities. We know from experts on radicalization that one of the key elements is a belief that your actions are "blessed by God" and ordained by your faith. This is what allows so many people who hold to a Christian Nationalism view to be radicalized. While we come from varied backgrounds and political stances, we stand together against the perversion of the Christian faith as we saw on January 6, 2021. We also stand against the theology and the conditions that led to the insurrection. Over the centuries, there are moments when the Church, the trans-national Body of Christ-followers, has seen distortions of the faith that warranted a response. In ages past, the Church has responded by holding emergency councils in order to unilaterally denounce mutations of the Christian faith, and to affirm the core values at the heart of Christianity. It is in that spirit that we unite our voices to declare that there is a version of American nationalism that is trying to camouflage itself as Christianity -- and it is a heretical version of our faith. Just as many Muslim leaders have felt the need to denounce distorted, violent versions of their faith, we feel the urgent need to denounce this violent mutation of our faith. What we saw manifest itself in the insurrection at the Capitol on January 6, 2021, is a threat to our democracy, but it is also a threat to orthodox Christian faith. The word “Christian” means “Christ-like.” As leaders in the Church, we do not agree on everything, but we can agree on this -- Christians should live in a way that honors Jesus, and reminds the world of Him. As Jesus himself said, "They will know that you are my disciples by the way you love” (John 13:35). No Christian can defend the unChristlike behavior of those who committed the violence on January 6. Not only was it anti-democratic, but it was also anti-Christian. On January 6 we saw the flags claiming Trump's name, calling for violence, and raising the name of Jesus. We saw images of a police officer being beaten with an American flag and another being crushed in a doorway. We know an officer was murdered in the act of insurrection. We witnessed the cross and the gallow being erected. We saw and heard the prayer the insurrectionists prayed from the Senate desk in Jesus' name. Many of us recognized the content, the structure, and the style of that prayer as matching our own churches and faith. But we reject this prayer being used to justify the violent act and attempted overthrow of the Government. We have witnessed the rise of violent acts by radicalized extremists using the name of Christ for its validity in the past, including the deadly actions in Charlottesville in 2017. We join our voices to condemn it publicly and theologically. We recognize that evangelicalism, and white evangelicalism in particular, has been susceptible to the heresy of Christian nationalism because of a long history of faith leaders accommodating white supremacy. We choose to speak out now because we do not want to be quiet accomplices in this on-going sin. But we also want to celebrate the long tradition of prophetic Christian witness in this nation that has challenged white supremacy and violent Christian nationalism. Though the KKK in the South claimed the symbol of a Christain cross, prophetic Black Christians formed and discipled children in Birmingham, Alabama who led a nonviolent witness in the face of dogs and firehoses. Though an appeal to "biblical values" has been used to demonize immigrants, undocumented Christians in America today have led a movement that insists upon the dignity and full humanity of all undocumented people. There is a powerful Christian witness for the common good in our past and in our present. White evangelicals in America can grow in faithfulness by following this cloud of witnesses, including the many white freedom-fighters who risked their lives standing up for love in the face of violence and hatred. We urge all pastors, ministers, and priests to boldly make it clear that a commitment to Jesus Christ is incompatible with calls to violence, support of white Christian nationalism, conspiracy theories, and all religious and racial prejudice. Just as it was tragically inconsistent for Christians in the 20th Century to support the Ku Klux Klan and Nazi ideology, it is unthinkable for Christians to support the Proud Boys, Oathkeepers, QAnon, 3 Percenters, America Firsters, and similar groups. We urge faith leaders to engage pastorally with those who support or sympathize with these groups, and make it clear that our churches are not neutral about these matters: we are on the side of democracy, equality for all people, anti-racism, and the common good of all people. Instead of seeing the United States as God's chosen nation we thank God for the church around the world that calls people of all races, tongues and nations to the knowledge and love of God. Instead of seeing any particular political leader or party as divinely appointed, we believe in the prophetic and pastoral ministry of the church to all political leaders and parties. Instead of power through violence, we believe in and seek to imitate the powerful, servant love practiced by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Our faith will not allow us to remain silent at such a time as this. We are also aware that our world needs more than a statement right now… we need action. Every one of the signers of this declaration is committed to taking concrete steps to put flesh on our words. We will combat bad theology with better theology. We will resist fear with love. We will tell the truth about our nation’s history. We will seek to repair and heal the wounds of the past. We will seek racial justice on a personal, ecclesial, and systemic level. We will support organizations led by people of color. We will listen to and amplify the voices of people of faith who have been marginalized by the colonizing force of white supremacy and Christian Nationalism. We will do our best to be faithful to Jesus, and to those Christ called “the least of these.”
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www.businessinsider.com.au/pastors-quit-after-qanon-radicalize-congregation-2021-3Evangelical Leaders Statement Condemning Christian Nationalism's role in the January 6th InsurrectionCondemning Christian Nationalism's role in the Insurrection January 6As leaders in the broad evangelical community, we recognize and condemn the role Christian Nationalism played in the violent, racist, anti-American insurrection at the United States Capitol on January 6. We recognize the damage done by radicalized Christian Nationalism in the world, the church, and in the lives of individuals and communities. We know from experts on radicalization that one of the key elements is a belief that your actions are "blessed by God" and ordained by your faith. This is what allows so many people who hold to a Christian Nationalism view to be radicalized. While we come from varied backgrounds and political stances, we stand together against the perversion of the Christian faith as we saw on January 6, 2021. We also stand against the theology and the conditions that led to the insurrection. Over the centuries, there are moments when the Church, the trans-national Body of Christ-followers, has seen distortions of the faith that warranted a response. In ages past, the Church has responded by holding emergency councils in order to unilaterally denounce mutations of the Christian faith, and to affirm the core values at the heart of Christianity. It is in that spirit that we unite our voices to declare that there is a version of American nationalism that is trying to camouflage itself as Christianity -- and it is a heretical version of our faith. Just as many Muslim leaders have felt the need to denounce distorted, violent versions of their faith, we feel the urgent need to denounce this violent mutation of our faith. What we saw manifest itself in the insurrection at the Capitol on January 6, 2021, is a threat to our democracy, but it is also a threat to orthodox Christian faith. The word “Christian” means “Christ-like.” As leaders in the Church, we do not agree on everything, but we can agree on this -- Christians should live in a way that honors Jesus, and reminds the world of Him. As Jesus himself said, "They will know that you are my disciples by the way you love” (John 13:35). No Christian can defend the unChristlike behavior of those who committed the violence on January 6. Not only was it anti-democratic, but it was also anti-Christian. On January 6 we saw the flags claiming Trump's name, calling for violence, and raising the name of Jesus. We saw images of a police officer being beaten with an American flag and another being crushed in a doorway. We know an officer was murdered in the act of insurrection. We witnessed the cross and the gallow being erected. We saw and heard the prayer the insurrectionists prayed from the Senate desk in Jesus' name. Many of us recognized the content, the structure, and the style of that prayer as matching our own churches and faith. But we reject this prayer being used to justify the violent act and attempted overthrow of the Government. We have witnessed the rise of violent acts by radicalized extremists using the name of Christ for its validity in the past, including the deadly actions in Charlottesville in 2017. We join our voices to condemn it publicly and theologically. We recognize that evangelicalism, and white evangelicalism in particular, has been susceptible to the heresy of Christian nationalism because of a long history of faith leaders accommodating white supremacy. We choose to speak out now because we do not want to be quiet accomplices in this on-going sin. But we also want to celebrate the long tradition of prophetic Christian witness in this nation that has challenged white supremacy and violent Christian nationalism. Though the KKK in the South claimed the symbol of a Christain cross, prophetic Black Christians formed and discipled children in Birmingham, Alabama who led a nonviolent witness in the face of dogs and firehoses. Though an appeal to "biblical values" has been used to demonize immigrants, undocumented Christians in America today have led a movement that insists upon the dignity and full humanity of all undocumented people. There is a powerful Christian witness for the common good in our past and in our present. White evangelicals in America can grow in faithfulness by following this cloud of witnesses, including the many white freedom-fighters who risked their lives standing up for love in the face of violence and hatred. We urge all pastors, ministers, and priests to boldly make it clear that a commitment to Jesus Christ is incompatible with calls to violence, support of white Christian nationalism, conspiracy theories, and all religious and racial prejudice. Just as it was tragically inconsistent for Christians in the 20th Century to support the Ku Klux Klan and Nazi ideology, it is unthinkable for Christians to support the Proud Boys, Oathkeepers, QAnon, 3 Percenters, America Firsters, and similar groups. We urge faith leaders to engage pastorally with those who support or sympathize with these groups, and make it clear that our churches are not neutral about these matters: we are on the side of democracy, equality for all people, anti-racism, and the common good of all people. Instead of seeing the United States as God's chosen nation we thank God for the church around the world that calls people of all races, tongues and nations to the knowledge and love of God. Instead of seeing any particular political leader or party as divinely appointed, we believe in the prophetic and pastoral ministry of the church to all political leaders and parties. Instead of power through violence, we believe in and seek to imitate the powerful, servant love practiced by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Our faith will not allow us to remain silent at such a time as this. We are also aware that our world needs more than a statement right now… we need action. Every one of the signers of this declaration is committed to taking concrete steps to put flesh on our words. We will combat bad theology with better theology. We will resist fear with love. We will tell the truth about our nation’s history. We will seek to repair and heal the wounds of the past. We will seek racial justice on a personal, ecclesial, and systemic level. We will support organizations led by people of color. We will listen to and amplify the voices of people of faith who have been marginalized by the colonizing force of white supremacy and Christian Nationalism. We will do our best to be faithful to Jesus, and to those Christ called “the least of these.” well in their little rant they outright lied or don't have a clue what they are talking about. officer sicknick died from a stroke and NOT a fire extinguisher beating even the NY times had to correct their own article. sounds like just another left wing church in america to me using the church to further what ever political agenda they might have themselves....
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 17, 2021 15:59:10 GMT -5
www.businessinsider.com.au/pastors-quit-after-qanon-radicalize-congregation-2021-3Evangelical Leaders Statement Condemning Christian Nationalism's role in the January 6th InsurrectionCondemning Christian Nationalism's role in the Insurrection January 6As leaders in the broad evangelical community, we recognize and condemn the role Christian Nationalism played in the violent, racist, anti-American insurrection at the United States Capitol on January 6. We recognize the damage done by radicalized Christian Nationalism in the world, the church, and in the lives of individuals and communities. We know from experts on radicalization that one of the key elements is a belief that your actions are "blessed by God" and ordained by your faith. This is what allows so many people who hold to a Christian Nationalism view to be radicalized. While we come from varied backgrounds and political stances, we stand together against the perversion of the Christian faith as we saw on January 6, 2021. We also stand against the theology and the conditions that led to the insurrection. Over the centuries, there are moments when the Church, the trans-national Body of Christ-followers, has seen distortions of the faith that warranted a response. In ages past, the Church has responded by holding emergency councils in order to unilaterally denounce mutations of the Christian faith, and to affirm the core values at the heart of Christianity. It is in that spirit that we unite our voices to declare that there is a version of American nationalism that is trying to camouflage itself as Christianity -- and it is a heretical version of our faith. Just as many Muslim leaders have felt the need to denounce distorted, violent versions of their faith, we feel the urgent need to denounce this violent mutation of our faith. What we saw manifest itself in the insurrection at the Capitol on January 6, 2021, is a threat to our democracy, but it is also a threat to orthodox Christian faith. The word “Christian” means “Christ-like.” As leaders in the Church, we do not agree on everything, but we can agree on this -- Christians should live in a way that honors Jesus, and reminds the world of Him. As Jesus himself said, "They will know that you are my disciples by the way you love” (John 13:35). No Christian can defend the unChristlike behavior of those who committed the violence on January 6. Not only was it anti-democratic, but it was also anti-Christian. On January 6 we saw the flags claiming Trump's name, calling for violence, and raising the name of Jesus. We saw images of a police officer being beaten with an American flag and another being crushed in a doorway. We know an officer was murdered in the act of insurrection. We witnessed the cross and the gallow being erected. We saw and heard the prayer the insurrectionists prayed from the Senate desk in Jesus' name. Many of us recognized the content, the structure, and the style of that prayer as matching our own churches and faith. But we reject this prayer being used to justify the violent act and attempted overthrow of the Government. We have witnessed the rise of violent acts by radicalized extremists using the name of Christ for its validity in the past, including the deadly actions in Charlottesville in 2017. We join our voices to condemn it publicly and theologically. We recognize that evangelicalism, and white evangelicalism in particular, has been susceptible to the heresy of Christian nationalism because of a long history of faith leaders accommodating white supremacy. We choose to speak out now because we do not want to be quiet accomplices in this on-going sin. But we also want to celebrate the long tradition of prophetic Christian witness in this nation that has challenged white supremacy and violent Christian nationalism. Though the KKK in the South claimed the symbol of a Christain cross, prophetic Black Christians formed and discipled children in Birmingham, Alabama who led a nonviolent witness in the face of dogs and firehoses. Though an appeal to "biblical values" has been used to demonize immigrants, undocumented Christians in America today have led a movement that insists upon the dignity and full humanity of all undocumented people. There is a powerful Christian witness for the common good in our past and in our present. White evangelicals in America can grow in faithfulness by following this cloud of witnesses, including the many white freedom-fighters who risked their lives standing up for love in the face of violence and hatred. We urge all pastors, ministers, and priests to boldly make it clear that a commitment to Jesus Christ is incompatible with calls to violence, support of white Christian nationalism, conspiracy theories, and all religious and racial prejudice. Just as it was tragically inconsistent for Christians in the 20th Century to support the Ku Klux Klan and Nazi ideology, it is unthinkable for Christians to support the Proud Boys, Oathkeepers, QAnon, 3 Percenters, America Firsters, and similar groups. We urge faith leaders to engage pastorally with those who support or sympathize with these groups, and make it clear that our churches are not neutral about these matters: we are on the side of democracy, equality for all people, anti-racism, and the common good of all people. Instead of seeing the United States as God's chosen nation we thank God for the church around the world that calls people of all races, tongues and nations to the knowledge and love of God. Instead of seeing any particular political leader or party as divinely appointed, we believe in the prophetic and pastoral ministry of the church to all political leaders and parties. Instead of power through violence, we believe in and seek to imitate the powerful, servant love practiced by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Our faith will not allow us to remain silent at such a time as this. We are also aware that our world needs more than a statement right now… we need action. Every one of the signers of this declaration is committed to taking concrete steps to put flesh on our words. We will combat bad theology with better theology. We will resist fear with love. We will tell the truth about our nation’s history. We will seek to repair and heal the wounds of the past. We will seek racial justice on a personal, ecclesial, and systemic level. We will support organizations led by people of color. We will listen to and amplify the voices of people of faith who have been marginalized by the colonizing force of white supremacy and Christian Nationalism. We will do our best to be faithful to Jesus, and to those Christ called “the least of these.” well in their little rant they outright lied or don't have a clue what they are talking about. officer sicknick died from a stroke and NOT a fire extinguisher beating even the NY times had to correct their own article. sounds like just another left wing church in america to me using the church to further what ever political agenda they might have themselves.... You are so obviously a CINO.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2021 16:09:06 GMT -5
well in their little rant they outright lied or don't have a clue what they are talking about. officer sicknick died from a stroke and NOT a fire extinguisher beating even the NY times had to correct their own article. sounds like just another left wing church in america to me using the church to further what ever political agenda they might have themselves.... You are so obviously a CINO. the CINO's i'm seeing are of the left wing persuasion and supported by atheists such as yourself(which should ring a few alarm bells) not the right or myself....
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Post by fixit on Mar 17, 2021 17:09:52 GMT -5
well in their little rant they outright lied or don't have a clue what they are talking about. officer sicknick died from a stroke and NOT a fire extinguisher beating even the NY times had to correct their own article. sounds like just another left wing church in america to me using the church to further what ever political agenda they might have themselves.... Your post says a lot about you Wally. If you were a patriot you would have some feeling and appreciation and respect for the police officer doing his duty to protect democracy and the American people and the rule of law. Brian Sicknick was an air force veteran, a man who should be honoured for his service to his country. Can you prove that the stroke was not a direct consequence of being beaten with a fire extinguisher?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 17, 2021 17:55:01 GMT -5
You are so obviously a CINO. the CINO's i'm seeing are of the left wing persuasion and supported by atheists such as yourself(which should ring a few alarm bells) not the right or myself.... As long as you are and your ilk keep talking about left and right there will only be trouble in the USA and elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2021 18:20:18 GMT -5
well in their little rant they outright lied or don't have a clue what they are talking about. officer sicknick died from a stroke and NOT a fire extinguisher beating even the NY times had to correct their own article. sounds like just another left wing church in america to me using the church to further what ever political agenda they might have themselves.... Your post says a lot about you Wally. If you were a patriot you would have some feeling and appreciation and respect for the police officer doing his duty to protect democracy and the American people and the rule of law. Brian Sicknick was an air force veteran, a man who should be honoured for his service to his country. Can you prove that the stroke was not a direct consequence of being beaten with a fire extinguisher? and your posts say a lot about you as you continue to push false information about the riot especially about those who died. www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/the-times-corrects-the-record-on-officer-sicknicks-death-sort-of/ar-BB1dHP0l <<<very socialist source you should like it...supposedly high fact reporting good try though
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2021 18:22:12 GMT -5
the CINO's i'm seeing are of the left wing persuasion and supported by atheists such as yourself(which should ring a few alarm bells) not the right or myself.... As long as you are and your ilk keep talking about left and right there will only be trouble in the USA and elsewhere. so i see you are part of the coming NWO where everyone will be under the same banner...good to know....
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Post by speak on Mar 17, 2021 18:26:41 GMT -5
Your post says a lot about you Wally. If you were a patriot you would have some feeling and appreciation and respect for the police officer doing his duty to protect democracy and the American people and the rule of law. Brian Sicknick was an air force veteran, a man who should be honoured for his service to his country. Can you prove that the stroke was not a direct consequence of being beaten with a fire extinguisher? and your posts say a lot about you as you continue to push false information about the riot especially about those who died. www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/the-times-corrects-the-record-on-officer-sicknicks-death-sort-of/ar-BB1dHP0l <<<very socialist source you should like it...supposedly high fact reporting good try though No body should have died.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2021 18:34:01 GMT -5
No body should have died. tell that to the police officer who shot the trump supporter...the other 4 that died from medical issues could have died anywhere at anytime that includes officer sicknick...good try though
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Post by Gene on Mar 17, 2021 18:39:36 GMT -5
www.businessinsider.com.au/pastors-quit-after-qanon-radicalize-congregation-2021-3Evangelical Leaders Statement Condemning Christian Nationalism's role in the January 6th InsurrectionCondemning Christian Nationalism's role in the Insurrection January 6As leaders in the broad evangelical community, we recognize and condemn the role Christian Nationalism played in the violent, racist, anti-American insurrection at the United States Capitol on January 6. We recognize the damage done by radicalized Christian Nationalism in the world, the church, and in the lives of individuals and communities. We know from experts on radicalization that one of the key elements is a belief that your actions are "blessed by God" and ordained by your faith. This is what allows so many people who hold to a Christian Nationalism view to be radicalized. While we come from varied backgrounds and political stances, we stand together against the perversion of the Christian faith as we saw on January 6, 2021. We also stand against the theology and the conditions that led to the insurrection. Over the centuries, there are moments when the Church, the trans-national Body of Christ-followers, has seen distortions of the faith that warranted a response. In ages past, the Church has responded by holding emergency councils in order to unilaterally denounce mutations of the Christian faith, and to affirm the core values at the heart of Christianity. It is in that spirit that we unite our voices to declare that there is a version of American nationalism that is trying to camouflage itself as Christianity -- and it is a heretical version of our faith. Just as many Muslim leaders have felt the need to denounce distorted, violent versions of their faith, we feel the urgent need to denounce this violent mutation of our faith. What we saw manifest itself in the insurrection at the Capitol on January 6, 2021, is a threat to our democracy, but it is also a threat to orthodox Christian faith. The word “Christian” means “Christ-like.” As leaders in the Church, we do not agree on everything, but we can agree on this -- Christians should live in a way that honors Jesus, and reminds the world of Him. As Jesus himself said, "They will know that you are my disciples by the way you love” (John 13:35). No Christian can defend the unChristlike behavior of those who committed the violence on January 6. Not only was it anti-democratic, but it was also anti-Christian. On January 6 we saw the flags claiming Trump's name, calling for violence, and raising the name of Jesus. We saw images of a police officer being beaten with an American flag and another being crushed in a doorway. We know an officer was murdered in the act of insurrection. We witnessed the cross and the gallow being erected. We saw and heard the prayer the insurrectionists prayed from the Senate desk in Jesus' name. Many of us recognized the content, the structure, and the style of that prayer as matching our own churches and faith. But we reject this prayer being used to justify the violent act and attempted overthrow of the Government. We have witnessed the rise of violent acts by radicalized extremists using the name of Christ for its validity in the past, including the deadly actions in Charlottesville in 2017. We join our voices to condemn it publicly and theologically. We recognize that evangelicalism, and white evangelicalism in particular, has been susceptible to the heresy of Christian nationalism because of a long history of faith leaders accommodating white supremacy. We choose to speak out now because we do not want to be quiet accomplices in this on-going sin. But we also want to celebrate the long tradition of prophetic Christian witness in this nation that has challenged white supremacy and violent Christian nationalism. Though the KKK in the South claimed the symbol of a Christain cross, prophetic Black Christians formed and discipled children in Birmingham, Alabama who led a nonviolent witness in the face of dogs and firehoses. Though an appeal to "biblical values" has been used to demonize immigrants, undocumented Christians in America today have led a movement that insists upon the dignity and full humanity of all undocumented people. There is a powerful Christian witness for the common good in our past and in our present. White evangelicals in America can grow in faithfulness by following this cloud of witnesses, including the many white freedom-fighters who risked their lives standing up for love in the face of violence and hatred. We urge all pastors, ministers, and priests to boldly make it clear that a commitment to Jesus Christ is incompatible with calls to violence, support of white Christian nationalism, conspiracy theories, and all religious and racial prejudice. Just as it was tragically inconsistent for Christians in the 20th Century to support the Ku Klux Klan and Nazi ideology, it is unthinkable for Christians to support the Proud Boys, Oathkeepers, QAnon, 3 Percenters, America Firsters, and similar groups. We urge faith leaders to engage pastorally with those who support or sympathize with these groups, and make it clear that our churches are not neutral about these matters: we are on the side of democracy, equality for all people, anti-racism, and the common good of all people. Instead of seeing the United States as God's chosen nation we thank God for the church around the world that calls people of all races, tongues and nations to the knowledge and love of God. Instead of seeing any particular political leader or party as divinely appointed, we believe in the prophetic and pastoral ministry of the church to all political leaders and parties. Instead of power through violence, we believe in and seek to imitate the powerful, servant love practiced by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Our faith will not allow us to remain silent at such a time as this. We are also aware that our world needs more than a statement right now… we need action. Every one of the signers of this declaration is committed to taking concrete steps to put flesh on our words. We will combat bad theology with better theology. We will resist fear with love. We will tell the truth about our nation’s history. We will seek to repair and heal the wounds of the past. We will seek racial justice on a personal, ecclesial, and systemic level. We will support organizations led by people of color. We will listen to and amplify the voices of people of faith who have been marginalized by the colonizing force of white supremacy and Christian Nationalism. We will do our best to be faithful to Jesus, and to those Christ called “the least of these.” This is excellent.
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Post by fixit on Mar 17, 2021 18:53:13 GMT -5
No body should have died. tell that to the police officer who shot the trump supporter...the other 4 that died from medical issues could have died anywhere at anytime that includes officer sicknick...good try though Yes, I guess Brian Sicknick could have died after being beaten up with a fire extinguisher at a dog-lovers picnic.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2021 18:55:21 GMT -5
tell that to the police officer who shot the trump supporter...the other 4 that died from medical issues could have died anywhere at anytime that includes officer sicknick...good try though Yes, I guess Brian Sicknick could have died after being beaten up with a fire extinguisher at a dog-lovers picnic. there was no fire extinguisher involved with sicknick...good try though mr. misinformation...
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Post by fixit on Mar 17, 2021 18:56:40 GMT -5
No body should have died. It's miraculous that a whole lot more didn't die. Police showed a lot of wisdom from what I've seen. They were pleading with the insurrectioners to go home to save people being killed.
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