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Post by speak on Jan 26, 2021 18:12:27 GMT -5
*** Speak and many 2x2s friends and workers around the world believe Only in singular God the Father NOT Jesus or the Holy Spirit but they/2×2 worship all THREE on the same LEVEL as God the Father every Sunday around the world. But they believe in ONLY One God the Father! talking about a bunch of confusion 2x2 believers. What sort of gooble de gook is this?
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Post by mountain on Jan 26, 2021 18:47:20 GMT -5
According to an ABC News poll, 73% of Protestants and 87% of Evangelical Protestants believe literally in Noah and the Ark. We enter children's imaginations regarding Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and other make believe imaginary friends to have conversations with them. Similarly, to converse and connect with Christians, we need to accept their beliefs about the Flood, the Tower of Babel, talking snakes, the Garden of Eden, undead zombies wandering around Jerusalem, and Jesus performing "miracles" and "driving out demons". Do 87% contemplate that maybe ancient Hebrew people embellished stories with a message passed down orally to make them more memorable and the embellished story may have just been the vehicle carrying the message?. If a person who takes the name of Christ is a true follower of Christ they will accept 100% everything that he taught and believed in. The Old Testament today is basically the Jewish or Hebrew Tanakh. Jesus read this extensively, lived by it strictly, taught from it, preached from it, referred to it regularly, etc. From this the true Christian can have no doubt about its authenticity. Jesus knew it was the word of God and this is the standard for every true believer, unless it can be shown that the current OT differs materially from the Tanakh that Jesus knew. This is a litmus test to see who is a true or pseudo believer, because Jesus would not have validated embellished stories. Don't speculate about embellishment, etc. Provide side by side analysis. All else is absolute folly. (Virgs)
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Post by nathan on Jan 26, 2021 19:54:36 GMT -5
*** Speak and many 2x2s friends and workers around the world believe Only in singular God the Father NOT Jesus or the Holy Spirit but they/2×2 worship all THREE on the same LEVEL as God the Father every Sunday around the world. But they believe in ONLY One God the Father! talking about a bunch of confusion 2x2 believers. What sort of gooble de gook is this? Your Anti-Trinity; Jesus is NOT God gooble de gook that what it is.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 26, 2021 19:59:45 GMT -5
What sort of gooble de gook is this? Your Anti-Trinity; Jesus is NOT God gooble de gook that what it is.Well you better find a new church that believes what you do nathan ! Not sure where you will find one that believes JC lives in Venus though !
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Post by chuck on Jan 26, 2021 20:01:11 GMT -5
Do 87% contemplate that maybe ancient Hebrew people embellished stories with a message passed down orally to make them more memorable and the embellished story may have just been the vehicle carrying the message?. If a person who takes the name of Christ is a true follower of Christ they will accept 100% everything that he taught and believed in. The Old Testament today is basically the Jewish or Hebrew Tanakh. Jesus read this extensively, lived by it strictly, taught from it, preached from it, referred to it regularly, etc. From this the true Christian can have no doubt about its authenticity. Jesus knew it was the word of God and this is the standard for every true believer, unless it can be shown that the current OT differs materially from the Tanakh that Jesus knew. This is a litmus test to see who is a true or pseudo believer, because Jesus would not have validated embellished stories. Don't speculate about embellishment, etc. Provide side by side analysis. All else is absolute folly. (Virgs) And see this is were Virgs amongst other are clueless. They don't speculate about embellishment because they're ignorant to the fact it ever existed. Ignorant to 1000s of years of ancient Hebrew tradition, language, concepts ect ect. Ignorant that Jesus was a Jewish Rabbai with Semikhah. Ignorant to events in the day of Christ. Ignorant to whole host of things because they're not needed when you just read it literally with a westerners mind set. So they just read it literally which is a pseudo believer.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 26, 2021 20:16:41 GMT -5
i don't think anyone is saying the actual word riot/rioting is being used in this particular story, but it fits the description of one somewhat. and of course it was a justified/righteous one seeing it was Christ doing it. other riots in history may or may not be justified/righteous however...suggesting that what happened in the temple was "peaceful" is a lot like the left in america saying what happened in most of 2020 was "mostly peaceful". It is still accusing Jesus of riot no matter of what spin is put on it. If in the original writings riot was not mentioned why should it now. According to the dictionary, an event cannot be called a riot unless there are at least three offenders committing the violence. Of course, Father, Son and Holy Spirit might solve the matter for certain people.
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Post by speak on Jan 26, 2021 20:20:59 GMT -5
If a person who takes the name of Christ is a true follower of Christ they will accept 100% everything that he taught and believed in. The Old Testament today is basically the Jewish or Hebrew Tanakh. Jesus read this extensively, lived by it strictly, taught from it, preached from it, referred to it regularly, etc. From this the true Christian can have no doubt about its authenticity. Jesus knew it was the word of God and this is the standard for every true believer, unless it can be shown that the current OT differs materially from the Tanakh that Jesus knew. This is a litmus test to see who is a true or pseudo believer, because Jesus would not have validated embellished stories. Don't speculate about embellishment, etc. Provide side by side analysis. All else is absolute folly. (Virgs) And see this is were Virgs amongst other are clueless. They don't speculate about embellishment because they're ignorant to the fact it ever existed. Ignorant to 1000s of years of ancient Hebrew tradition, language, concepts ect ect. Ignorant that Jesus was a Jewish Rabbai with Semikhah. Ignorant to events in the day of Christ. Ignorant to whole host of things because they're not needed when you just read it literally with a westerners mind set. So they just read it literally which is a pseudo believer. Acts 4:13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus. There is no requirement for us to have knowledge of the things you have posted but rather to.. Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.So if that's being ignorant I'll be that everyday and in your eyes a pseudo believer.
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Post by speak on Jan 26, 2021 20:23:23 GMT -5
It is still accusing Jesus of riot no matter of what spin is put on it. If in the original writings riot was not mentioned why should it now. According to the dictionary, an event cannot be called a riot unless there are at least three offenders committing the violence. Of course, Father, Son and Holy Spirit might solve the matter for certain people. Three in Spirit, The Father and the Holy Spirit do not have an earthly body.
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Post by chuck on Jan 26, 2021 20:47:26 GMT -5
And see this is were Virgs amongst other are clueless. They don't speculate about embellishment because they're ignorant to the fact it ever existed. Ignorant to 1000s of years of ancient Hebrew tradition, language, concepts ect ect. Ignorant that Jesus was a Jewish Rabbai with Semikhah. Ignorant to events in the day of Christ. Ignorant to whole host of things because they're not needed when you just read it literally with a westerners mind set. So they just read it literally which is a pseudo believer. Acts 4:13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus. There is no requirement for us to have knowledge of the things you have posted but rather to.. Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.So if that's being ignorant I'll be that everyday and in your eyes a pseudo believer. 2 totally different things. They knew all of what I am speaking about plus whole lot more, so they were accused not being unlearned in Hebrew culture language ect ect like you are thinking and I am saying. They were unlearned because they had not gone through the whole formal process like the Sadducees. You are displaying exactly what I have been saying. If you understood the process to become a rabbai and how Jesus was a rabbai with authority and how he used that authority to choose his disciples you would not have made this post. "Follow me"
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 26, 2021 20:48:32 GMT -5
They had three prayer session during the riot, and they said Jesus was directing them. Churches were supporting Trump's views. White evangelical Christians are Trumps strongest base. They are still nothing like Him and neither are those churches. True, -speak, -in many ways, but -never-the-less, the White evangelical Christians are Trump's strongest base, -just as Xna stated.
Vice President Mike Pence is one of them, a White evangelical Christian who believes god called to someday be President. As is Trump's Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos whose whole family is also extremely wealthy.
Also one of Trump's attorneys, Jay Sekulow, -who is also chief counsel for a Christian nationalist legal group founded by TV preacher Pat Robertson.
Sekulow has managed to make himself and his family quite wealthy as well.
Wealth, with the power of money gives it, -joined with a fundamentalist mind set of ANY belief system can be deadly no matter what religion or idea it happens to be.
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Post by speak on Jan 26, 2021 22:27:43 GMT -5
They are still nothing like Him and neither are those churches. True, -speak, -in many ways, but -never-the-less, the White evangelical Christians are Trump's strongest base, -just as Xna stated.
Vice President Mike Pence is one of them, a White evangelical Christian who believes god called to someday be President. As is Trump's Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos whose whole family is also extremely wealthy.
Also one of Trump's attorneys, Jay Sekulow, -who is also chief counsel for a Christian nationalist legal group founded by TV preacher Pat Robertson.
Sekulow has managed to make himself and his family quite wealthy as well.
Wealth, with the power of money gives it, -joined with a fundamentalist mind set of ANY belief system can be deadly no matter what religion or idea it happens to be.I don't disagree with what you say I just disagree with then being Christian or even labeled as Christian.
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Post by speak on Jan 26, 2021 22:31:59 GMT -5
Acts 4:13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus. There is no requirement for us to have knowledge of the things you have posted but rather to.. Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.So if that's being ignorant I'll be that everyday and in your eyes a pseudo believer. 2 totally different things. They knew all of what I am speaking about plus whole lot more, so they were accused not being unlearned in Hebrew culture language ect ect like you are thinking and I am saying. They were unlearned because they had not gone through the whole formal process like the Sadducees. You are displaying exactly what I have been saying. If you understood the process to become a rabbai and how Jesus was a rabbai with authority and how he used that authority to choose his disciples you would not have made this post. "Follow me" I don't need to know to have Christ in my life. Being a Christian is not governed by what you are saying, it is governed by whether one Loves God and their neighbour with fruits of the Spirit. That is following Jesus not knowing the process to become a rabbai and how Jesus was a rabbai with authority.
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Post by speak on Jan 26, 2021 22:33:24 GMT -5
If a person who takes the name of Christ is a true follower of Christ they will accept 100% everything that he taught and believed in. The Old Testament today is basically the Jewish or Hebrew Tanakh. Jesus read this extensively, lived by it strictly, taught from it, preached from it, referred to it regularly, etc. From this the true Christian can have no doubt about its authenticity. Jesus knew it was the word of God and this is the standard for every true believer, unless it can be shown that the current OT differs materially from the Tanakh that Jesus knew. This is a litmus test to see who is a true or pseudo believer, because Jesus would not have validated embellished stories. Don't speculate about embellishment, etc. Provide side by side analysis. All else is absolute folly. (Virgs) And see this is were Virgs amongst other are clueless. They don't speculate about embellishment because they're ignorant to the fact it ever existed. Ignorant to 1000s of years of ancient Hebrew tradition, language, concepts ect ect. Ignorant that Jesus was a Jewish Rabbai with Semikhah. Ignorant to events in the day of Christ. Ignorant to whole host of things because they're not needed when you just read it literally with a westerners mind set. So they just read it literally which is a pseudo believer. Why were you being rude in calling people clueless?
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Post by nathan on Jan 26, 2021 22:43:03 GMT -5
Your Anti-Trinity; Jesus is NOT God gooble de gook that what it is. Well you better find a new church that believes what you do nathan ! Not sure where you will find one that believes JC lives in Venus though ! The 2x2s will find out AFTER death, their souls will go to heaven/Interior Venus planet, where Christ and God are.
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Post by chuck on Jan 26, 2021 22:57:16 GMT -5
And see this is were Virgs amongst other are clueless. They don't speculate about embellishment because they're ignorant to the fact it ever existed. Ignorant to 1000s of years of ancient Hebrew tradition, language, concepts ect ect. Ignorant that Jesus was a Jewish Rabbai with Semikhah. Ignorant to events in the day of Christ. Ignorant to whole host of things because they're not needed when you just read it literally with a westerners mind set. So they just read it literally which is a pseudo believer. Why were you being rude in calling people clueless? Would you prefer I use ignorant?. In the context of the discussion I will call a spade a spade. Those I called clueless are exactly that. I don't think it's rude to call something what it is. If I had called them clueless about everything well then you have a fair point. But I didnt. www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clueless%23:~:text%3D1%2520%253A%2520having%2520or%2520providing%2520no,clueless%2520about%2520what%2520they%2520want&ved=2ahUKEwi21aH4mrvuAhWL8XMBHf2YAjsQFjABegQIAhAE&usg=AOvVaw2DnYLSK4qbikPgxIlE1zNi
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Post by chuck on Jan 26, 2021 22:58:22 GMT -5
Well you better find a new church that believes what you do nathan ! Not sure where you will find one that believes JC lives in Venus though ! The 2x2s will find out AFTER death, their souls will go to heaven/Interior Venus planet, where Christ and God are.Oooooh, so I won't burn for not seeing it like you........
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Post by chuck on Jan 26, 2021 23:13:07 GMT -5
2 totally different things. They knew all of what I am speaking about plus whole lot more, so they were accused not being unlearned in Hebrew culture language ect ect like you are thinking and I am saying. They were unlearned because they had not gone through the whole formal process like the Sadducees. You are displaying exactly what I have been saying. If you understood the process to become a rabbai and how Jesus was a rabbai with authority and how he used that authority to choose his disciples you would not have made this post. "Follow me" I don't need to know to have Christ in my life. Being a Christian is not governed by what you are saying, it is governed by whether one Loves God and their neighbour with fruits of the Spirit. That is following Jesus not knowing the process to become a rabbai and how Jesus was a rabbai with authority. That’s true, but when you want to wade into the debate you do need to know the process to become a rabbai, if your going to criticise someone for actually knowing and you dont know you end up saying ignorant stuff like I pointed out. You should have known about unlearned before wading into the debate unlearned. Doesn't mean I am right, but you were clueless to aspects I was not and then doubled down by saying they dont matter when its clear they do matter.
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Post by speak on Jan 27, 2021 0:35:44 GMT -5
Ok then if you think it is fine and inline with Christ thinking I shall leave it to you.
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Post by mountain on Jan 27, 2021 3:22:57 GMT -5
If a person who takes the name of Christ is a true follower of Christ they will accept 100% everything that he taught and believed in. The Old Testament today is basically the Jewish or Hebrew Tanakh. Jesus read this extensively, lived by it strictly, taught from it, preached from it, referred to it regularly, etc. From this the true Christian can have no doubt about its authenticity. Jesus knew it was the word of God and this is the standard for every true believer, unless it can be shown that the current OT differs materially from the Tanakh that Jesus knew. This is a litmus test to see who is a true or pseudo believer, because Jesus would not have validated embellished stories. Don't speculate about embellishment, etc. Provide side by side analysis. All else is absolute folly. (Virgs) And see this is were Virgs amongst other are clueless. They don't speculate about embellishment because they're ignorant to the fact it ever existed. Ignorant to 1000s of years of ancient Hebrew tradition, language, concepts ect ect. Ignorant that Jesus was a Jewish Rabbai with Semikhah. Ignorant to events in the day of Christ. Ignorant to whole host of things because they're not needed when you just read it literally with a westerners mind set. So they just read it literally which is a pseudo believer. Chuck, you are a great fellow Aussie, but you avoid the challenge. If the Hebrew Tanakh is virtually the same as our current Old Testament then we throw out all claims of embellishment because our Lord and Master would never have countenanced what he saw clearly as the word of God. How often did he saw in reference to the Tanakh ....'It is written...?' He never once said 'It is embellished. The sceptic is the pseudo believer, not those who build upon the solid rock of God's word, authenticated by Jesus. Deride Virgs all you like, but your hammer will disintegrate every time you strike the rock that Virgs founds his beliefs on!
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 27, 2021 13:59:02 GMT -5
True, -speak, -in many ways, but -never-the-less, the White evangelical Christians are Trump's strongest base, -just as Xna stated.
Vice President Mike Pence is one of them, a White evangelical Christian who believes god called to someday be President. As is Trump's Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos whose whole family is also extremely wealthy.
Also one of Trump's attorneys, Jay Sekulow, -who is also chief counsel for a Christian nationalist legal group founded by TV preacher Pat Robertson.
Sekulow has managed to make himself and his family quite wealthy as well.
Wealth, with the power of money gives it, -joined with a fundamentalist mind set of ANY belief system can be deadly no matter what religion or idea it happens to be. I don't disagree with what you say I just disagree with then being Christian or even labeled as Christian. True, -they are not "Christians," according to what Jesus actually taught. But THEY consider themselves "Christians," and many others are fooled by that.
As such they deceive many people and can cause a lot of damage to democracy as well as suffering to many people just their predecessors did though our history. They would do the same as their predecessors today if it weren't for the restraining laws of our form of government. That is why we have to monitor them so closely.
Americans United for Separation of Church and State created in 1948 is the best watchdog I know and it was started by Christian religious leaders.
Americans United for Separation of Church and State was founded on January 11, 1948, as Protestants and Other Americans United for Separation of Church and State (POAU) by a coalition of religious, educational and civic leaders. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_United_for_Separation_of_Church_and_State#History
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Post by chuck on Feb 3, 2021 7:13:16 GMT -5
And see this is were Virgs amongst other are clueless. They don't speculate about embellishment because they're ignorant to the fact it ever existed. Ignorant to 1000s of years of ancient Hebrew tradition, language, concepts ect ect. Ignorant that Jesus was a Jewish Rabbai with Semikhah. Ignorant to events in the day of Christ. Ignorant to whole host of things because they're not needed when you just read it literally with a westerners mind set. So they just read it literally which is a pseudo believer. Chuck, you are a great fellow Aussie, but you avoid the challenge. If the Hebrew Tanakh is virtually the same as our current Old Testament then we throw out all claims of embellishment because our Lord and Master would never have countenanced what he saw clearly as the word of God. How often did he saw in reference to the Tanakh ....'It is written...?' He never once said 'It is embellished. The sceptic is the pseudo believer, not those who build upon the solid rock of God's word, authenticated by Jesus. Deride Virgs all you like, but your hammer will disintegrate every time you strike the rock that Virgs founds his beliefs on! It wasn't always written, the beatitudes show this....... Quite a lot of scripture come from stories past down through generations. It's nothing new. The story is a vehicle to carry something more important. Stop getting stuck at the literal story..that's religion. medium.com/living-out-loud/dreamtime-stories-the-sacred-world-of-creative-energy-6f72ca82cd45Im not deriding vergs. He is just as ignorant like most of us. Did Virgs know quite a lot of the Bible is poety....or Jesus was into Guerilla Theatre...
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Post by mountain on Feb 3, 2021 7:24:15 GMT -5
Chuck, you are a great fellow Aussie, but you avoid the challenge. If the Hebrew Tanakh is virtually the same as our current Old Testament then we throw out all claims of embellishment because our Lord and Master would never have countenanced what he saw clearly as the word of God. How often did he saw in reference to the Tanakh ....'It is written...?' He never once said 'It is embellished. The sceptic is the pseudo believer, not those who build upon the solid rock of God's word, authenticated by Jesus. Deride Virgs all you like, but your hammer will disintegrate every time you strike the rock that Virgs founds his beliefs on! It wasn't always written, the beatitudes show this....... Quite a lot of scripture come from stories past down through generations. It's nothing new. The story is a vehicle to carry something more important. Stop getting stuck at the literal story..that's religion. medium.com/living-out-loud/dreamtime-stories-the-sacred-world-of-creative-energy-6f72ca82cd45Im not deriding vergs. He is just as ignorant like most of us. Did Virgs know quite a lot of the Bible is poety....or Jesus was into Guerilla Theatre... Chuck, you're an intelligent Aussie. You've got it wrong about the beatitudes (how I hate that unbiblical term). It was a sermon on the mount. The sermon on the mount was at the beginning of Christ's ministry. He was bringing in the transition between the age of the old law to to the age of grace, or the New Testament. It was a change from living under the law to living under grace. It wasn't a sudden change. It took time for the transition to be accomplished. The Apostle Paul had many difficulties to resolve with the Jews between the old law and the new law of grace. God's grace always applied, but it was limited under the law. It was poured out from the time of Christ's ministry. Virgs is intelligent enough to understand this. He is wise enough to make this part of the rock that he builds his faith on. Did Jesus say that quite a lot of the OT was poetry, or did he say it was the Word of God and stood rigidly by it? Be like Virgs. Don't be led away by your own or someone else's imaginings. Build on the solid rock. You need a child-like approach, not an intellectual one. Do that and your eyes will be opened.
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