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Post by jetmech on Dec 29, 2020 2:33:40 GMT -5
Chuck I'm glad to see you believe in the Bible. I'm glad you believe the prophet Isaiah. From your discussion with Nathan, it seems to me that you don't believe in GOD ... at least you don't believe in GOD in the same context mentioned in the Bible. Is this true? -Since you quote Isaiah 14:16-17 I perceive you clearly believe the great prophet Isaiah. I'm just not sure where you are with the context of GOD and the son of GOD from the biblical standpoint and views expressed biblically. Of course your biblical belief system is none of my business whatsoever; but, I find your posted rhetoric in this discussion with Nathan very interesting and am just attempting to fully understand your views. Nathan's statements about Satan's existence going back millions, possibly billions of years,Seems biblically accurate to me; but, I'm not well versed nor clear about the details of Satan as this was not discussed very often in the meetings while I was a child. I think God is true, I don't believe in a existent pagan God like Nathan and many others. In the same context in the bible...... please explain the context?. What is the context of God and the Son of God in your context?, and then explain the Hebrew context...... To me God and the Son of God are not physical things but characterisations, and the context favours this more than the physical pagan imagery Nathan and yourself seem to see. Nathan is just repeating religious doctrine invented by man when it comes to Satan. It stems mostly from Paganism, renaissance art and Roman Catholicism. All images of physical existent things made up to control people. I can't believe Nathan would even consider the awesome, one and only GOD ALMIGHTY as a pagan GOD, so I'm not buying that Chuck. That would be right up there with blasphemy! I believe Nathan believes in the GOD of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; the one and only GOD ALMIGHTY; not some Pagan GOD. Just like I do; How insulting to Nathan, to me, and insulting to GOD, your post is, and surely you don't actually believe the arcane rhetoric in your post where you imply Nathan and I worship a Pagan GOD imagery; I know you don't believe this even yourself, and I sure am not buying this tripe and bogus diatribe!!! This post is not fit for a hog to eat! May GOD have mercy upon your soul, because you will need it some day.
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Post by chuck on Dec 29, 2020 3:38:37 GMT -5
I think God is true, I don't believe in a existent pagan God like Nathan and many others. In the same context in the bible...... please explain the context?. What is the context of God and the Son of God in your context?, and then explain the Hebrew context...... To me God and the Son of God are not physical things but characterisations, and the context favours this more than the physical pagan imagery Nathan and yourself seem to see. Nathan is just repeating religious doctrine invented by man when it comes to Satan. It stems mostly from Paganism, renaissance art and Roman Catholicism. All images of physical existent things made up to control people. I can't believe Nathan would even consider the awesome, one and only GOD ALMIGHTY as a pagan GOD, so I'm not buying that Chuck. That would be right up there with blasphemy! I believe Nathan believes in the GOD of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; the one and only GOD ALMIGHTY; not some Pagan GOD. Just like I do; How insulting to Nathan, to me, and insulting to GOD, your post is, and surely you don't actually believe the arcane rhetoric in your post where you imply Nathan and I worship a Pagan GOD imagery; I know you don't believe this even yourself, and I sure am not buying this tripe and bogus diatribe!!! This post is not fit for a hog to eat! May GOD have mercy upon your soul, because you will need it some day. If it can be offended, it has become a idol!. Pagans worshipped Idol's. 2x2ism is Idol worship. Take away the 2x2ism from your life what do you have left?. I asked speak this question and he dodged it for days.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 6:49:34 GMT -5
I can't believe Nathan would even consider the awesome, one and only GOD ALMIGHTY as a pagan GOD, so I'm not buying that Chuck. That would be right up there with blasphemy! I believe Nathan believes in the GOD of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; the one and only GOD ALMIGHTY; not some Pagan GOD. Just like I do; How insulting to Nathan, to me, and insulting to GOD, your post is, and surely you don't actually believe the arcane rhetoric in your post where you imply Nathan and I worship a Pagan GOD imagery; I know you don't believe this even yourself, and I sure am not buying this tripe and bogus diatribe!!! This post is not fit for a hog to eat! May GOD have mercy upon your soul, because you will need it some day. If it can be offended, it has become a idol!. Pagans worshipped Idol's. 2x2ism is Idol worship. Take away the 2x2ism from your life what do you have left?. I asked speak this question and he dodged it for days. you are not making any sense whatsoever...JW you should stick to politics you actually aren't to bad in that arena...
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Post by chuck on Dec 29, 2020 8:26:13 GMT -5
If it can be offended, it has become a idol!. Pagans worshipped Idol's. 2x2ism is Idol worship. Take away the 2x2ism from your life what do you have left?. I asked speak this question and he dodged it for days. you are not making any sense whatsoever...JW you should stick to politics you actually aren't to bad in that arena... What you don't see is they are both related. You rail against socialism politically but root for it religiously. If you could see you would recognise 2x2ism is idol worship, it's socialism ideology, far from the Character of Christ hence your facination with JW's. Socialism likes identity politics, so does man made religion, religion and politics go hand in hand, Christ recognised this and set about wrecking this ideology.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 8:39:27 GMT -5
you are not making any sense whatsoever...JW you should stick to politics you actually aren't to bad in that arena... What you don't see is they are both related. You rail against socialism politically but root for it religiously. If you could see you would recognise 2x2ism is idol worship, it's socialism ideology, far from the Character of Christ hence your facination with JW's. Socialism likes identity politics, so does man made religion, religion and politics go hand in hand, Christ recognised this and set about wrecking this ideology. well that isn't true Christ rarely if ever talked about politics in fact he said his kingdom is not of this earth he held no political ambitions...
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Post by chuck on Dec 29, 2020 10:13:37 GMT -5
What you don't see is they are both related. You rail against socialism politically but root for it religiously. If you could see you would recognise 2x2ism is idol worship, it's socialism ideology, far from the Character of Christ hence your facination with JW's. Socialism likes identity politics, so does man made religion, religion and politics go hand in hand, Christ recognised this and set about wrecking this ideology. well that isn't true Christ rarely if ever talked about politics in fact he said his kingdom is not of this earth he held no political ambitions... Wally this is just pure Ignorance on your part. It was very political. I thought you said you read history. "Not of this earth", oh please........ go and research what a Hebrew person heard when that was spoken, when you read this like a Greek its easy to understand how one would derive from this earth down here, heaven up there somewhere, guess what, they weren't greeks. No its not of this earth, but it does not say it's not on this earth. Every time "the kingdom of heaven is like" is mentioned its on earth and not some made up place not on the earth. Present reality. Just like hell, 15 of the 18 times Jesus mentioned it it was on earth, present reality. Yet you and many others are sold on the Roman Catholicism's version of hell, one can only wonder in it's appeal... I agree that Christ didn't actually have political ambition.
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Post by nathan on Dec 29, 2020 10:17:52 GMT -5
If it can be offended, it has become a idol!. Pagans worshipped Idol's. 2x2ism is Idol worship. Take away the 2x2ism from your life what do you have left?. I asked speak this question and he dodged it for days. you are not making any sense whatsoever...JW you should stick to politics you actually aren't too bad in that arena... Chuck is one confusing 2x2s non-exclusive believer. He believed and mixed up with too many once SAVED is always SAVED, Predestination, and it doesn't matter which denomination of churches you attend you are SAVED as long you believe in Jesus. He believes 2x2 is idol worship.... I wonder which pagan idol is he worshiping as a 2x2?
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Post by chuck on Dec 29, 2020 10:23:25 GMT -5
you are not making any sense whatsoever...JW you should stick to politics you actually aren't too bad in that arena... Chuck is one confusing 2x2s non-exclusive believer. He believed and mixed up with too many once SAVED is always SAVED, Predestination, and it doesn't matter which denomination of churches you attend you attend you are SAVED as long you believe in Jesus. He believes 2x2 is idol worship.... I wonder which pagan idol is he worshiping as a 2x2?
What part of Yom Kippur don't you grasp Nathan...... What part of "once for all" does not compute..... And can you understand the difference between 2x2 and 2x2ism. I have been very specific so you cannot misquote me but you did it anyway......
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Post by nathan on Dec 29, 2020 10:46:32 GMT -5
Chuck is one confusing 2x2s non-exclusive believer. He believed and mixed up with too many once SAVED is always SAVED, Predestination, and it doesn't matter which denomination of churches you attend you attend you are SAVED as long you believe in Jesus. He believes 2x2 is idol worship.... I wonder which pagan idol is he worshiping as a 2x2?
What part of Yom Kippur don't you grasp Nathan...... What part of "once for all" does not compute..... And can you understand the difference between 2x2 and 2x2ism. I have been very specific so you cannot misquote me but you did it anyway...... You are NOT a Jew are you, Chuck? As Christians we don't LIVE and follow the Old Testament Covenant but Christ Jesus New Testament Covenant. What Yom Kippur has to do with your 2x2 faith. What in the world is "Once for All" are you talking about? What are pagans 2x2 rituals are you talking about? Can you tell us what are the pagans 2x2s worshipping.
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Post by intelchips on Dec 29, 2020 10:55:39 GMT -5
What part of Yom Kippur don't you grasp Nathan...... What part of "once for all" does not compute..... And can you understand the difference between 2x2 and 2x2ism. I have been very specific so you cannot misquote me but you did it anyway...... You are NOT a Jew are you, Chuck? As Christians we don't LIVE and follow the Old Testament Covenant but Christ Jesus New Testament Covenant. What Yom Kippur has to do with your 2x2 faith. What in the world is "Once for All" are you talking about? What are pagans 2x2 rituals are you talking about? Can you tell us what are the pagans 2x2s worshipping. You are so confusing Nathan. Just yesterday I read something you posted that seemed to me to be very well written and now this. It's like you are two different persons.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 11:51:30 GMT -5
well that isn't true Christ rarely if ever talked about politics in fact he said his kingdom is not of this earth he held no political ambitions... Wally this is just pure Ignorance on your part. It was very political. I thought you said you read history. "Not of this earth", oh please........ go and research what a Hebrew person heard when that was spoken, when you read this like a Greek its easy to understand how one would derive from this earth down here, heaven up there somewhere, guess what, they weren't greeks. No its not of this earth, but it does not say it's not on this earth. Every time "the kingdom of heaven is like" is mentioned its on earth and not some made up place not on the earth. Present reality. Just like hell, 15 of the 18 times Jesus mentioned it it was on earth, present reality. Yet you and many others are sold on the Roman Catholicism's version of hell, one can only wonder in it's appeal... I agree that Christ didn't actually have political ambition. well you either know your bible and history or you don't and its the latter that is your case and your attempted manipulation of both because of the false gospel you listen too is where the problem lies...nice try though JW
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Post by jetmech on Dec 29, 2020 12:17:38 GMT -5
I can't believe Nathan would even consider the awesome, one and only GOD ALMIGHTY as a pagan GOD, so I'm not buying that Chuck. That would be right up there with blasphemy! I believe Nathan believes in the GOD of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; the one and only GOD ALMIGHTY; not some Pagan GOD. Just like I do; How insulting to Nathan, to me, and insulting to GOD, your post is, and surely you don't actually believe the arcane rhetoric in your post where you imply Nathan and I worship a Pagan GOD imagery; I know you don't believe this even yourself, and I sure am not buying this tripe and bogus diatribe!!! This post is not fit for a hog to eat! May GOD have mercy upon your soul, because you will need it some day. If it can be offended, it has become a idol!. Pagans worshipped Idol's. 2x2ism is Idol worship. Take away the 2x2ism from your life what do you have left?. I asked speak this question and he dodged it for days. You say if it can be offended it is idol worship. Where did you render this "fact?" I definitely disagree.
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Post by nathan on Dec 29, 2020 13:14:04 GMT -5
If it can be offended, it has become a idol!. Pagans worshipped Idol's. 2x2ism is Idol worship. Take away the 2x2ism from your life what do you have left?. I asked speak this question and he dodged it for days. You say if it can be offended it is idol worship. Where did you render this "fact?" I definitely disagree. ** Amen, jet... I have asked Chuck what pagans idol's the 2x2 are worshipping and he is NOT telling me what they are.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 18:55:30 GMT -5
its also been reported he "hated cops" and "smoked weed"...the weed could account for the lizard people...just sayin'
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Post by xna on Dec 29, 2020 19:43:26 GMT -5
its also been reported he "hated cops" and "smoked weed"...the weed could account for the lizard people...just sayin' Lets ask nathan ..... Hey nathan, when you smoke weed do you see lizard people?
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Post by nathan on Dec 29, 2020 19:51:36 GMT -5
its also been reported he "hated cops" and "smoked weed"...the weed could account for the lizard people...just sayin' Lets ask nathan ..... Hey nathan, when you smoke weed do you see lizard people? ** No, you see angels sitting on the clouds playing the harps and drinking their coffee.
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Post by jetmech on Dec 30, 2020 1:55:29 GMT -5
Chuck is one confusing 2x2s non-exclusive believer. He believed and mixed up with too many once SAVED is always SAVED, Predestination, and it doesn't matter which denomination of churches you attend you attend you are SAVED as long you believe in Jesus. He believes 2x2 is idol worship.... I wonder which pagan idol is he worshiping as a 2x2?
What part of Yom Kippur don't you grasp Nathan...... What part of "once for all" does not compute..... And can you understand the difference between 2x2 and 2x2ism. I have been very specific so you cannot misquote me but you did it anyway...... Chuck I have a question. Deteronomy 22:5 (OLD TESTAMENT) says " ... GOD abhors women dressing like men and he abhors men dressing like women ..." It goes on to explain how this is an abomination to GOD. Just as this same practice is alluded to in GENESIS, with SODOM and GAMORRAH, and these same 'same-sex' practices are again brought up in the NEW TESTAMENT. Same GOD... same beliefs. Now the book of ACTS CH 7 verses 48 is the classic chapter referenced about 'GOD doesn't dwelling in churches made with hands. Ok, this same idea, of GOD not dwelling in temples made by hands is also discussed in I & II CORINTHIANS as well as other places in the Bible; same GOD ... same belief system of ideas. My question is ... do you think the Apostle Paul believed in Pagan God imagery and took any stock in worshipping a Pagan GOD? I seriously doubt it!!!
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Post by nathan on Dec 30, 2020 10:44:30 GMT -5
What part of Yom Kippur don't you grasp Nathan...... What part of "once for all" does not compute..... And can you understand the difference between 2x2 and 2x2ism. I have been very specific so you cannot misquote me but you did it anyway...... Chuck I have a question. Deteronomy 22:5 (OLD TESTAMENT) says " ... GOD abhors women dressing like men and he abhors men dressing like women ..." It goes on to explain how this is an abomination to GOD. Just as this same practice is alluded to in GENESIS, with SODOM and GAMORRAH, and these same 'same-sex' practices are again brought up in the NEW TESTAMENT. Same GOD... same beliefs. Now the book of ACTS CH 7 verses 48 is the classic chapter referenced about 'GOD doesn't dwelling in churches made with hands. Ok, this same idea, of GOD not dwelling in temples made by hands is also discussed in I & II CORINTHIANS as well as other places in the Bible; same GOD ... same belief system of ideas. My question is ... do you think the Apostle Paul believed in Pagan God imagery and took any stock in worshipping a Pagan GOD? I seriously doubt it!!! I believe Chuck talks about the Pagan gods of the Trinity= Father, Christ and Holy Spirit. That is a bunch of baloney! The Godhead has always existed from everlasting to everlasting and the pagans gods were NOT around, yet.
It was the pagans who copied the Trinity/Godhead= 3 gods in their worship. I John 5:7-8 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one in agreement. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 30, 2020 17:03:57 GMT -5
What part of Yom Kippur don't you grasp Nathan...... What part of "once for all" does not compute..... And can you understand the difference between 2x2 and 2x2ism. I have been very specific so you cannot misquote me but you did it anyway...... Chuck I have a question. Deteronomy 22:5 (OLD TESTAMENT) says " ... GOD abhors women dressing like men and he abhors men dressing like women ..." It goes on to explain how this is an abomination to GOD. Just as this same practice is alluded to in GENESIS, with SODOM and GAMORRAH, and these same 'same-sex' practices are again brought up in the NEW TESTAMENT. Same GOD... same beliefs. Now the book of ACTS CH 7 verses 48 is the classic chapter referenced about 'GOD doesn't dwelling in churches made with hands. Ok, this same idea, of GOD not dwelling in temples made by hands is also discussed in I & II CORINTHIANS as well as other places in the Bible; same GOD ... same belief system of ideas. Did you notice that in the Sodom and Gomorah account that prostituting your daughters out to placate your enemies was the recommended remedy?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 17:05:36 GMT -5
Chuck I have a question. Deteronomy 22:5 (OLD TESTAMENT) says " ... GOD abhors women dressing like men and he abhors men dressing like women ..." It goes on to explain how this is an abomination to GOD. Just as this same practice is alluded to in GENESIS, with SODOM and GAMORRAH, and these same 'same-sex' practices are again brought up in the NEW TESTAMENT. Same GOD... same beliefs. Now the book of ACTS CH 7 verses 48 is the classic chapter referenced about 'GOD doesn't dwelling in churches made with hands. Ok, this same idea, of GOD not dwelling in temples made by hands is also discussed in I & II CORINTHIANS as well as other places in the Bible; same GOD ... same belief system of ideas. Did you notice that in the Sodom and Gomorah account that prostituting your daughters out to placate your enemies was the recommended remedy? i don't remember that which verses say that?
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 30, 2020 17:10:21 GMT -5
Did you notice that in the Sodom and Gomorah account that prostituting your daughters out to placate your enemies was the recommended remedy? i don't remember that which verses say that? Proof you can't read critically.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 17:13:07 GMT -5
i don't remember that which verses say that? Proof you can't read critically. show me the verses then we'll talk....
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 30, 2020 17:18:10 GMT -5
Proof you can't read critically. show me the verses then we'll talk.... Not interested.
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Post by jetmech on Dec 30, 2020 17:18:13 GMT -5
i don't remember that which verses say that? Proof you can't read critically. Bob are you referring to when Lot offered the Sodomites his daughters instead of the men they wanted?
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 30, 2020 17:20:08 GMT -5
Proof you can't read critically. Bob are you referring to when Lot offered the Sodomites his daughters instead of the men they wanted? Yes.
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Post by nathan on Dec 30, 2020 17:26:37 GMT -5
Did you notice that in the Sodom and Gomorah account that prostituting your daughters out to placate your enemies was the recommended remedy? i don't remember that which verses say that? *** Wally, I believe the men of Sodom wanted to have sex with the TWO humans looking angels from Venus. They were sent by God and Christ to rescue Lot's family from destruction because God the Father sent Fire from heaven to destroy the two wicked cities and all the people that lived there. Out of respect for the heavenly hosts Lot offered his 3 daughters so, they wouldn't offend heavenly beings. The two humans Venusians angels strike the men with blindness and they couldn't see. God the Father sent Fire from heaven and destroyed the wicked people. While Christ the LORD God speaking to Abraham and Sarah about the birth of Isaac. Read Genesis chapters 17-19.
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Post by jetmech on Dec 30, 2020 17:30:41 GMT -5
Bob are you referring to when Lot offered the Sodomites his daughters instead of the men they wanted? Yes. That's what I figured. I've wondered about this too. I've wondered if Lot offered his daughters because the two men were angels. I've wondered if GOD allowed LOT to demonstrate just how far he would go to protect GOD'S angels and to demonstrate his belief and faith in GOD. GOD intervened before the daughters were taken To me, this is akin to when Abraham who was willing to offer his son, Isaac, to GOD as a sacrifice. He took the knife ready to kill his son; but, at the last minute, GOD allowed him to sacrifice a ram that was caught in the fence.
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