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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 30, 2020 17:38:07 GMT -5
That's what I figured. I've wondered about this too. I've wondered if Lot offered his daughters because the two men were angels. I've wondered if GOD allowed LOT to demonstrate just how far he would go to protect GOD'S angels and to demonstrate his belief and faith in GOD. GOD intervened before the daughters were taken To me, this is akin to the Abraham who was willing to offer his son, Isaac, to GOD as a sacrifice. He took the knife ready to kill his son; but, at the last minute, GOD allowed him to sacrifice a ram that was caught in the fence. What amateur and self-taught Bible scholars don't know is the history of the day, which reveals that corn-holing strangers when they came to town was the prevailing way of telling them they weren't wanted, and to leave. It still doesn't explain the apparent acceptability of offering your daughters for revengeful sexual activities.
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Post by nathan on Dec 30, 2020 17:44:47 GMT -5
i don't remember that which verses say that? *** Wally, I believe the men of Sodom wanted to have sex with the TWO humans looking angels from Venus. They were sent by God and Christ to rescue Lot's family from destruction because God the Father sent Fire from heaven to destroy the two wicked cities and all the people that lived there. Out of respect for the heavenly hosts Lot offered his 3 daughters so, they wouldn't offend heavenly beings. The two humans Venusians angels strike the men outside the house with blindness and they couldn't see where they were going. God the Father sent Fire from heaven and destroyed the wicked people. While Christ the LORD God speaking to Abraham and Sarah about the birth of Isaac. Read Genesis chapters 17-19. The Dead Sea Scrolls offered a very interesting information on the destruction of Sodom and Gomorah by God and the Venusians human looking angels.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 17:53:26 GMT -5
That's what I figured. I've wondered about this too. I've wondered if Lot offered his daughters because the two men were angels. I've wondered if GOD allowed LOT to demonstrate just how far he would go to protect GOD'S angels and to demonstrate his belief and faith in GOD. GOD intervened before the daughters were taken To me, this is akin to the Abraham who was willing to offer his son, Isaac, to GOD as a sacrifice. He took the knife ready to kill his son; but, at the last minute, GOD allowed him to sacrifice a ram that was caught in the fence. What amateur and self-taught Bible scholars don't know is the history of the day, which reveals that corn-holing strangers when they came to town was the prevailing way of telling them they weren't wanted, and to leave. It still doesn't explain the apparent acceptability of offering your daughters for revengeful sexual activities. well people reject God in many different ways whether that needs to be "corn-holing" or not it doesn't end well for them...
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 30, 2020 17:53:45 GMT -5
*** Wally, I believe the men of Sodom wanted to have sex with the TWO humans looking angels from Venus. They were sent by God and Christ to rescue Lot's family from destruction because God the Father sent Fire from heaven to destroy the two wicked cities and all the people that lived there. Out of respect for the heavenly hosts Lot offered his 3 daughters so, they wouldn't offend heavenly beings. The two humans Venusians angels strike the men outside the house with blindness and they couldn't see where they were going. God the Father sent Fire from heaven and destroyed the wicked people. While Christ the LORD God speaking to Abraham and Sarah about the birth of Isaac. Read Genesis chapters 17-19. The Dead Sea Scrolls offered a very interesting information on the destruction of Sodom and Gomorah by God and the Venusians human looking angels.
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Post by nathan on Dec 30, 2020 17:57:00 GMT -5
** When I get home I will post the Dead Sea Scroll on the destruction of Sodom and Gomorah and it was on God the Father's order to destroy the wicked people in those two cities.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 30, 2020 19:43:14 GMT -5
** When I get home I will post the Dead Sea Scroll on the destruction of Sodom and Gomorah on God the Father's order. Don't bother.
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Post by nathan on Dec 30, 2020 19:53:35 GMT -5
** When I get home I will post the Dead Sea Scroll on the destruction of Sodom and Gomorah on God the Father's order. Don't bother. ** Other readers might be interested so, I will post it for them. www.rense.com/general66/cave.htmFrom the Dead Sea Scroll #3 Cave #3 Valiant Thor Guardian angels human looking people are Venusians, they have been mentioned in the Dead Sea Scrolls and in the Old Testament. The Lord (Elohim) instructed his Angels, both from the Morning and Evening Star/Venus Planet, to assist Lot and his family to escape what was to befall the Cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. Genesis chapters 17,18,19. The Two Chosen ones instructed Lot and his family to drape themselves in white Garments (fine linen) and run away from the cities with great haste. Then a voice came from the darkening skies from on high and the other Heavenly Messengers, also from the Morning and Evening Star who rode in their chariots of fire saying unto all of them below, "Make haste because the judgment of Almighty God is about to fall upon these cities. We are prepared to obey His Voice and point our fire-spears towards the cities of sin and destroy them according to the Divine Will of the Father.
Then a white light as bright as the sun blazed behind them and the Earth did shake with a mighty roar. The elements did separate as the cities of sin were leveled to the ground. The air above the Earth was filled with destructive dust and everyone including the animals. "The smoke rose into the heaven and did cloak the ground with destruction. Thus, the messengers, from the Stars did likewise accomplish their mission as their wheels returned to the skies where they rested with others in their home which was high above the Earth." "She who was the wife of Lot, because of her disobedience, did turn around and gaze upon the destruction. She was turned into what appeared to be the salt of the land and the deadly destructive dust that clung over the Earth did indeed cause her life to cease. The smoke and vapor from the cities rose higher and higher as the cities were laid waste in the wilderness on the plains of Zoar that morning." professing.proboards.com/thread/30575/life-on-planet-venus
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Post by chuck on Dec 31, 2020 1:38:49 GMT -5
What part of Yom Kippur don't you grasp Nathan...... What part of "once for all" does not compute..... And can you understand the difference between 2x2 and 2x2ism. I have been very specific so you cannot misquote me but you did it anyway...... You are NOT a Jew are you, Chuck? As Christians we don't LIVE and follow the Old Testament Covenant but Christ Jesus New Testament Covenant. What Yom Kippur has to do with your 2x2 faith. What in the world is "Once for All" are you talking about? What are pagans 2x2 rituals are you talking about? Can you tell us what are the pagans 2x2s worshipping. That's were your wrong, OT is just as relevant as NT. If you cannot understand OT, in this case Yom-Kippur, how on earth can you understand NT Christ/Death/Ressurection....... Once you understand that, it may dawn on you what "Once For All" actually means and why the writer wrote it and how the new covenant is not just for exclusive people like yourself. All means exactly what it say's. ALL!. Not All=2x2's. 2x2ism is Paganism, it worshipping a system started by William Irvine. This does not mean William Irvine set out to endulge Paganism, but like most religious adventures when it becomes exclusive it turns into Paganism and Idol worship. You ascribe worth to the system, which is fine, but it crosses the line when it becomes judgmemtal to people not like "me". Take away the system and what do you have....., if you need the system it has become a idol or your god, thats Paganism. 2x2ism is not alone in this misguided venture.
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Post by chuck on Dec 31, 2020 2:31:26 GMT -5
Wally this is just pure Ignorance on your part. It was very political. I thought you said you read history. "Not of this earth", oh please........ go and research what a Hebrew person heard when that was spoken, when you read this like a Greek its easy to understand how one would derive from this earth down here, heaven up there somewhere, guess what, they weren't greeks. No its not of this earth, but it does not say it's not on this earth. Every time "the kingdom of heaven is like" is mentioned its on earth and not some made up place not on the earth. Present reality. Just like hell, 15 of the 18 times Jesus mentioned it it was on earth, present reality. Yet you and many others are sold on the Roman Catholicism's version of hell, one can only wonder in it's appeal... I agree that Christ didn't actually have political ambition. well you either know your bible and history or you don't and its the latter that is your case and your attempted manipulation of both because of the false gospel you listen too is where the problem lies...nice try though JW Wally I can back up things like, "Just like hell, 15 of the 18 times Jesus mentioned it it was on earth, present reality". It's actually true. Look it up, its called Gehenna!. You just say hollow words.
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Post by chuck on Dec 31, 2020 2:46:02 GMT -5
If it can be offended, it has become a idol!. Pagans worshipped Idol's. 2x2ism is Idol worship. Take away the 2x2ism from your life what do you have left?. I asked speak this question and he dodged it for days. You say if it can be offended it is idol worship. Where did you render this "fact?" I definitely disagree. Take a look at History to what happens when people's Gods are offended.......
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2020 2:58:40 GMT -5
well you either know your bible and history or you don't and its the latter that is your case and your attempted manipulation of both because of the false gospel you listen too is where the problem lies...nice try though JW Wally I can back up things like, "Just like hell, 15 of the 18 times Jesus mentioned it it was on earth, present reality". It's actually true. Look it up, its called Gehenna!. You just say hollow words. Gehenna was just a temporary picture of what was to come to those who are not on Gods side at the end of life. your JW doctrine is showing through that is not 2x2ism or 1900+ years of Christian understanding. whatever sources like shane you are using is messing you up big time. time to shed your confusion and get back to the basics.
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Post by chuck on Dec 31, 2020 9:24:12 GMT -5
Wally I can back up things like, "Just like hell, 15 of the 18 times Jesus mentioned it it was on earth, present reality". It's actually true. Look it up, its called Gehenna!. You just say hollow words. Gehenna was just a temporary picture of what was to come to those who are not on Gods side at the end of life. your JW doctrine is showing through that is not 2x2ism or 1900+ years of Christian understanding. whatever sources like shane you are using is messing you up big time. time to shed your confusion and get back to the basics. Wally I'm not telling you there is not a Hell after you die. I don't know, but I am telling you that the hell yourself and Nathan like to burn people in who don't see it your way, has been made up. Its baloney. Christ does not say or indicate this(Gehenna) is what hell is like after you die. They didn't even have this concept, this concept came long after Christ. Hell is closer than you think wally. The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole body, sets the whole course of one’s life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell. - James 3:6 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James3:6&version=NIVJonah was in the belly of Hell Burning people was not on Gods mind, Jeremiah 7:30- Wally you go on about me not understanding the bible, I will say your understanding goes as far as the English translation and no further.....
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Post by chuck on Dec 31, 2020 10:05:29 GMT -5
What part of Yom Kippur don't you grasp Nathan...... What part of "once for all" does not compute..... And can you understand the difference between 2x2 and 2x2ism. I have been very specific so you cannot misquote me but you did it anyway...... Chuck I have a question. Deteronomy 22:5 (OLD TESTAMENT) says " ... GOD abhors women dressing like men and he abhors men dressing like women ..." It goes on to explain how this is an abomination to GOD. Just as this same practice is alluded to in GENESIS, with SODOM and GAMORRAH, and these same 'same-sex' practices are again brought up in the NEW TESTAMENT. Same GOD... same beliefs. Now the book of ACTS CH 7 verses 48 is the classic chapter referenced about 'GOD doesn't dwelling in churches made with hands. Ok, this same idea, of GOD not dwelling in temples made by hands is also discussed in I & II CORINTHIANS as well as other places in the Bible; same GOD ... same belief system of ideas. My question is ... do you think the Apostle Paul believed in Pagan God imagery and took any stock in worshipping a Pagan GOD? I seriously doubt it!!! You may want to rethink the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah, it wasn't same sex practices. You have just assumed. It also says Sodom and Gomorrah are still burning, have you located the smoke?.... You do not worship the same God as Paul, perhaps before his conversion, but definitely not after, he describes all your practices as dung...... I glad to hear you dont believe god dwells in conventions!
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Post by intelchips on Dec 31, 2020 10:12:35 GMT -5
** Other readers might be interested so, I will post it for them. www.rense.com/general66/cave.htmFrom the Dead Sea Scroll #3 Cave #3 Valiant Thor Guardian angels human looking people are Venusians, they have been mentioned in the Dead Sea Scrolls and in the Old Testament. The Lord (Elohim) instructed his Angels, both from the Morning and Evening Star/Venus Planet, to assist Lot and his family to escape what was to befall the Cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. Genesis chapters 17,18,19. The Two Chosen ones instructed Lot and his family to drape themselves in white Garments (fine linen) and run away from the cities with great haste. Then a voice came from the darkening skies from on high and the other Heavenly Messengers, also from the Morning and Evening Star who rode in their chariots of fire saying unto all of them below, "Make haste because the judgment of Almighty God is about to fall upon these cities. We are prepared to obey His Voice and point our fire-spears towards the cities of sin and destroy them according to the Divine Will of the Father.
Then a white light as bright as the sun blazed behind them and the Earth did shake with a mighty roar. The elements did separate as the cities of sin were leveled to the ground. The air above the Earth was filled with destructive dust and everyone including the animals. "The smoke rose into the heaven and did cloak the ground with destruction. Thus, the messengers, from the Stars did likewise accomplish their mission as their wheels returned to the skies where they rested with others in their home which was high above the Earth." "She who was the wife of Lot, because of her disobedience, did turn around and gaze upon the destruction. She was turned into what appeared to be the salt of the land and the deadly destructive dust that clung over the Earth did indeed cause her life to cease. The smoke and vapor from the cities rose higher and higher as the cities were laid waste in the wilderness on the plains of Zoar that morning." professing.proboards.com/thread/30575/life-on-planet-venusAll lies. Here's what in these scrolls: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamentations_1. Besides those sites have been dug up and if memory servers me one of them was not in existence in the proper time frame and one or both had no sign of burning, or ash, etc.. . .
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Post by chuck on Dec 31, 2020 10:16:37 GMT -5
** When I get home I will post the Dead Sea Scroll on the destruction of Sodom and Gomorah on God the Father's order. Don't bother. Most likely it was just a meteor. Quite a plausible theory that to some may have looked like the act of a God destroying a selfish bunch of people.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2020 10:47:16 GMT -5
Gehenna was just a temporary picture of what was to come to those who are not on Gods side at the end of life. your JW doctrine is showing through that is not 2x2ism or 1900+ years of Christian understanding. whatever sources like shane you are using is messing you up big time. time to shed your confusion and get back to the basics. Wally I'm not telling you there is not a Hell after you die. I don't know, but I am telling you that the hell yourself and Nathan like to burn people in who don't see it your way, has been made up. Its baloney. Christ does not say or indicate this(Gehenna) is what hell is like after you die. They didn't even have this concept, this concept came long after Christ. Hell is closer than you think wally. The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole body, sets the whole course of one’s life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell. - James 3:6 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James3:6&version=NIVJonah was in the belly of Hell Burning people was not on Gods mind, Jeremiah 7:30- Wally you go on about me not understanding the bible, I will say your understanding goes as far as the English translation and no further..... hell is all over the bible in both the OT and the NT that you "don't know" speaks volumes about your understanding of scripture. james 3 says nothing about hell being closer than i think. and jerimiah 7 30- says nothing about hell either it does say what is going to happen to their physical bodies once killed. you should really stop quoting scripture your corruption of it is extremely transparent. and again ones does not need to be jewish to understand the bible that limits God/Christ and the Holy spirits power and work. who or whatever got to you isn't doing you any favors. time to get back to good biblical doctrine on your part.
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Post by nathan on Dec 31, 2020 14:11:49 GMT -5
** Other readers might be interested so, I will post it for them. www.rense.com/general66/cave.htmFrom the Dead Sea Scroll #3 Cave #3 Valiant Thor Guardian angels human looking people are Venusians, they have been mentioned in the Dead Sea Scrolls and in the Old Testament. The Lord (Elohim) instructed his Angels, both from the Morning and Evening Star/Venus Planet, to assist Lot and his family to escape what was to befall the Cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. Genesis chapters 17,18,19. The Two Chosen ones instructed Lot and his family to drape themselves in white Garments (fine linen) and run away from the cities with great haste. Then a voice came from the darkening skies from on high and the other Heavenly Messengers, also from the Morning and Evening Star who rode in their chariots of fire saying unto all of them below, "Make haste because the judgment of Almighty God is about to fall upon these cities. We are prepared to obey His Voice and point our fire-spears towards the cities of sin and destroy them according to the Divine Will of the Father.
Then a white light as bright as the sun blazed behind them and the Earth did shake with a mighty roar. The elements did separate as the cities of sin were leveled to the ground. The air above the Earth was filled with destructive dust and everyone including the animals. "The smoke rose into the heaven and did cloak the ground with destruction. Thus, the messengers, from the Stars did likewise accomplish their mission as their wheels returned to the skies where they rested with others in their home which was high above the Earth." "She who was the wife of Lot, because of her disobedience, did turn around and gaze upon the destruction. She was turned into what appeared to be the salt of the land and the deadly destructive dust that clung over the Earth did indeed cause her life to cease. The smoke and vapor from the cities rose higher and higher as the cities were laid waste in the wilderness on the plains of Zoar that morning." professing.proboards.com/thread/30575/life-on-planet-venusAll lies. Here's what in these scrolls: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamentations_1. Besides those sites have been dug up and if memory servers me one of them was not in existence in the proper time frame and one or both had no sign of burning, or ash, etc.. . . ** When I get home I will show you the archeologists found the plains of Zoar like the scriptures had written of two cities Sodom and Gomorah burned to ashes. God doesn't LIE! You atheists don't believe in Yaweh God so, you want to discredit Him and His words.
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Post by intelchips on Dec 31, 2020 15:04:43 GMT -5
All lies. Here's what in these scrolls: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamentations_1. Besides those sites have been dug up and if memory servers me one of them was not in existence in the proper time frame and one or both had no sign of burning, or ash, etc.. . . ** When I get home I will show you the archeologists found the plains of Zoar like the scriptures had written of two cities Sodom and Gomorah burned to ashes. God doesn't LIE! You atheists don't believe in Yaweh God so, you want to discredit Him and His words. Now you double lie. First I said nothing about God lying. Second I said you were lying and I posted the evidence to prove it. Don't waste your time posting anything about the two cities because it will be lies also. As many of us have pointed out before you understand nothing about peer review. Tall el-Hammam has no proof that it is Sodom. In 1975, digs in Syria found cuneiform tables that supposedly referred to the existence of a city known as Sodom, or something like that — though not all scholars agreed. Archaeologists have found two competing sites for the location of the ancient city of Sodom, doomed for its great wickedness. Which site is the correct one? Recently, another biblical archaeologist claimed he has found Sodom at a very different location. Both camps quote Scripture. How do we decide who’s right? Anyone desiring a reasonable understanding would do well to read: www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Sodom
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Post by nathan on Dec 31, 2020 15:39:42 GMT -5
** When I get home I will show you the archeologists found the plains of Zoar like the scriptures had written of two cities Sodom and Gomorah burned to ashes. God doesn't LIE! You atheists don't believe in Yaweh God so, you want to discredit Him and His words. Now you double lie. First I said nothing about God lying. Second I said you were lying and I posted the evidence to prove it. Don't waste your time posting anything about the two cities because it will be lies also. As many of us have pointed out before you understand nothing about peer review. Tall el-Hammam has no proof that it is Sodom. In 1975, digs in Syria found cuneiform tables that supposedly referred to the existence of a city known as Sodom, or something like that — though not all scholars agreed. Archaeologists have found two competing sites for the location of the ancient city of Sodom, doomed for its great wickedness. Which site is the correct one? Recently, another biblical archaeologist claimed he has found Sodom at a very different location. Both camps quote Scripture. How do we decide who’s right? Anyone desiring a reasonable understanding would do well to read: www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Sodom** You accused me of lying so, I pointed you to the scriptures and God had told to His heavenly messengers to destroy the Two wicked cities Sodom and Gomorah. I trust and believe in the scriptures location than some unknown archaeologists think it differently. The heavenly hosts from morning star planet of Venus KNEW the exact location to point their laser beam weapons to destroy the two cities as God the Father had commanded them. The destruction of the wicked people in those two cities served as an example the same the wicked/ unbelievers people will suffer the same fate as them after the judgment Day. God allowed Lot to live in Sodom and Gommorah so, they would REPENT of their WICKED ways and lifestyle but they ignored his preaching and warnings.
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Post by chuck on Jan 4, 2021 8:24:28 GMT -5
Wally I'm not telling you there is not a Hell after you die. I don't know, but I am telling you that the hell yourself and Nathan like to burn people in who don't see it your way, has been made up. Its baloney. Christ does not say or indicate this(Gehenna) is what hell is like after you die. They didn't even have this concept, this concept came long after Christ. Hell is closer than you think wally. The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole body, sets the whole course of one’s life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell. - James 3:6 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James3:6&version=NIVJonah was in the belly of Hell Burning people was not on Gods mind, Jeremiah 7:30- Wally you go on about me not understanding the bible, I will say your understanding goes as far as the English translation and no further..... hell is all over the bible in both the OT and the NT that you "don't know" speaks volumes about your understanding of scripture. james 3 says nothing about hell being closer than i think. and jerimiah 7 30- says nothing about hell either it does say what is going to happen to their physical bodies once killed. you should really stop quoting scripture your corruption of it is extremely transparent. and again ones does not need to be jewish to understand the bible that limits God/Christ and the Holy spirits power and work. who or whatever got to you isn't doing you any favors. time to get back to good biblical doctrine on your part. No wally Hell's not all over the Bible. it was never in the bible, they added it, 4 different things into one word, no wonder your confused....... medium.com/@brazenchurch/hell-a-biblical-staple-the-bible-never-actually-mentions-c28b18b1aaaaJames 3 present tense, your version of Hell lights your tongue on fire, hell's not elsewhere wally, it's close. Jeremiah 7 31 sorry, burning was not something of God's Nature, it was a characteristic of Nutjobs, I'd advise you, steer clear of burning people spiritually.
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Post by chuck on Jan 4, 2021 8:27:14 GMT -5
Now you double lie. First I said nothing about God lying. Second I said you were lying and I posted the evidence to prove it. Don't waste your time posting anything about the two cities because it will be lies also. As many of us have pointed out before you understand nothing about peer review. Tall el-Hammam has no proof that it is Sodom. In 1975, digs in Syria found cuneiform tables that supposedly referred to the existence of a city known as Sodom, or something like that — though not all scholars agreed. Archaeologists have found two competing sites for the location of the ancient city of Sodom, doomed for its great wickedness. Which site is the correct one? Recently, another biblical archaeologist claimed he has found Sodom at a very different location. Both camps quote Scripture. How do we decide who’s right? Anyone desiring a reasonable understanding would do well to read: www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Sodom** You accused me of lying so, I pointed you to the scriptures and God had told to His heavenly messengers to destroy the Two wicked cities Sodom and Gomorah. I trust and believe in the scriptures location than some unknown archaeologists think it differently. The heavenly hosts from morning star planet of Venus KNEW the exact location to point their laser beam weapons to destroy the two cities as God the Father had commanded them. The destruction of the wicked people in those two cities served as an example the same the wicked/ unbelievers people will suffer the same fate as them after the judgment Day. God allowed Lot to live in Sodom and Gommorah so, they would REPENT of their WICKED ways and lifestyle but they ignored his preaching and warnings. Laser beam weapons...............
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 9:01:08 GMT -5
hell is all over the bible in both the OT and the NT that you "don't know" speaks volumes about your understanding of scripture. james 3 says nothing about hell being closer than i think. and jerimiah 7 30- says nothing about hell either it does say what is going to happen to their physical bodies once killed. you should really stop quoting scripture your corruption of it is extremely transparent. and again ones does not need to be jewish to understand the bible that limits God/Christ and the Holy spirits power and work. who or whatever got to you isn't doing you any favors. time to get back to good biblical doctrine on your part. No wally Hell's not all over the Bible. it was never in the bible, they added it, 4 different things into one word, no wonder your confused....... medium.com/@brazenchurch/hell-a-biblical-staple-the-bible-never-actually-mentions-c28b18b1aaaaJames 3 present tense, your version of Hell lights your tongue on fire, hell's not elsewhere wally, it's close. Jeremiah 7 31 sorry, burning was not something of God's Nature, it was a characteristic of Nutjobs, I'd advise you, steer clear of burning people spiritually. i've already proved that it is...nice try though...babble on...
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Post by chuck on Jan 4, 2021 9:38:45 GMT -5
No wally Hell's not all over the Bible. it was never in the bible, they added it, 4 different things into one word, no wonder your confused....... medium.com/@brazenchurch/hell-a-biblical-staple-the-bible-never-actually-mentions-c28b18b1aaaaJames 3 present tense, your version of Hell lights your tongue on fire, hell's not elsewhere wally, it's close. Jeremiah 7 31 sorry, burning was not something of God's Nature, it was a characteristic of Nutjobs, I'd advise you, steer clear of burning people spiritually. i've already proved that it is...nice try though...babble on... Proved that it is......... you've proved 4 different things all mean the same thing how exactly?.
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Post by nathan on Jan 4, 2021 10:30:25 GMT -5
hell is all over the bible in both the OT and the NT that you "don't know" speaks volumes about your understanding of scripture. james 3 says nothing about hell being closer than i think. and jerimiah 7 30- says nothing about hell either it does say what is going to happen to their physical bodies once killed. you should really stop quoting scripture your corruption of it is extremely transparent. and again ones does not need to be jewish to understand the bible that limits God/Christ and the Holy spirits power and work. who or whatever got to you isn't doing you any favors. time to get back to good biblical doctrine on your part. No wally Hell's not all over the Bible. it was never in the bible, they added it, 4 different things into one word, no wonder your confused....... medium.com/@brazenchurch/hell-a-biblical-staple-the-bible-never-actually-mentions-c28b18b1aaaaJames 3 present tense, your version of Hell lights your tongue on fire, hell's not elsewhere wally, it's close. Jeremiah 7 31 sorry, burning was not something of God's Nature, it was a characteristic of Nutjobs, I'd advise you, steer clear of burning people spiritually. Where do you think Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham and all of the Old Testament souls go AFTER they died?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 4, 2021 16:29:46 GMT -5
No wally Hell's not all over the Bible. it was never in the bible, they added it, 4 different things into one word, no wonder your confused....... medium.com/@brazenchurch/hell-a-biblical-staple-the-bible-never-actually-mentions-c28b18b1aaaaJames 3 present tense, your version of Hell lights your tongue on fire, hell's not elsewhere wally, it's close. Jeremiah 7 31 sorry, burning was not something of God's Nature, it was a characteristic of Nutjobs, I'd advise you, steer clear of burning people spiritually. Where do you think Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham and all of the Old Testament souls go AFTER they died?They didn't have Greco/Christian souls to go anywhere.
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Post by nathan on Jan 4, 2021 17:24:18 GMT -5
Where do you think Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham and all of the Old Testament souls go AFTER they died? They didn't have Greco/Christian souls to go anywhere. ** You need to get the BIBLE from the basement and Read Luke 16 Jesus a Jew talked about where the souls depart to Hades/Hell = the realm of the dead or paradise after death.
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Post by nathan on Jan 4, 2021 19:21:18 GMT -5
They didn't have Greco/Christian souls to go anywhere. All OT (except for elijah and Enoch) went to hades the waiting place. After Jesus died he went down into Hades and opened the doors and they followed him out and were taken up to heaven with him *** That what I believe for many years also about Enoch and Elijah were the only two went to heaven. However, Jesus said this in John "No Man! Has entered heaven." Because Jesus had NOT paid the ransom price for mankind so no human soul can enter heaven. Only After Jesus had paid for the humans sins in full on Calvary that the SAVED humans souls can enter heaven. We read Moses and Elijah came out of Hades, the realm of the dead and appeared to Jesus, James John and Peter on Mt. Transfiguration (Matthew 17) to plead and encourage Him to pay for all OT believers sins or they would be stuck in the paradise side the realm of the dead for eternity. After Jesus had paid the ransom price/with his life/death on Calvary His body stayed in the grave 3 days and nights but His Spirit received the KEY! to set all of OT believers from paradise in Hades to bring them home in heaven. Jesus said In Rev.1:18 I am the LIVING one. I was DEAD, and behold I am ALIVE forever and I HOLD THE KEY! of DEATH and HADES."
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 4, 2021 21:42:03 GMT -5
They didn't have Greco/Christian souls to go anywhere. All OT (except for elijah and Enoch) went to hades the waiting place. After Jesus died he went down into Hades and opened the doors and they followed him pout and were taken up to heaven with him Hogwash
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