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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 19:03:35 GMT -5
i don't believe the victim of a crime of violence when being beaten, raped, robbed or killed has anything more on their mind than to get out alive or stop the attacker...self-esteem issues are the furthest from their minds... Yes, of course, Wally. But I wasn't talking about victims. I was talking about individuals who have the opportunity to defuse confrontations peacefully. Recall what I told you about the young lady in my class. I WAS NOT A VICTIM -- I was not hired to destroy her self esteem, but to remold her immaturity and teach her to be responsible for herself. This is what former students thank me for when they come back years later to thank me for encouraging them in their professions. i was really addressing his rather weak point and change of topic not yours directly....
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 8, 2021 19:09:54 GMT -5
Yes, of course, Wally. But I wasn't talking about victims. I was talking about individuals who have the opportunity to defuse confrontations peacefully. Recall what I told you about the young lady in my class. I WAS NOT A VICTIM -- I was not hired to destroy her self esteem, but to remold her immaturity and teach her to be responsible for herself. This is what former students thank me for when they come back years later to thank me for encouraging them in their professions. i was really addressing his rather weak point and change of topic not yours directly.... With all due respect, I think you missed the connection between my message and his. That's okay.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 19:13:53 GMT -5
i was really addressing his rather weak point and change of topic not yours directly.... With all due respect, I think you missed the connection between my message and his. That's okay. i'm not seeing much of a connection between needing a firearm to use for protection and a kid talking naughty and disrespectful to their teacher. no missed connection required...
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 8, 2021 19:16:13 GMT -5
With all due respect, I think you missed the connection between my message and his. That's okay. i'm not seeing much of a connection between needing a firearm to use for protection and a kid talking naughty and disrespectful to their teacher. I know you're not. That's okay.
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Post by chuck on Mar 8, 2021 20:40:34 GMT -5
No wally Im not. I try to understand the language in conjunction with the culture. You adapt/ignore the language to suit 2x2ism doctrine and ignore the culture. Which means eternal life has to have the meaning for ever and ever and ever in heaven up there somewhere. I think you missed the point. I was not ignoring the expertise or skill level of the interpreters. Regardless of their credentials the limitation is the translation not the translators. You cannot bring across meanings embedded in a ancient culture in a translation. Like Eternal fire, clearly the eternal isn't forever and the fire is purification, but unless you had knowledge of these things you would just read it literally with your western mind as a "eternal fire". Until you watched that video you had no idea the complexity of just one word let alone hundreds more. If I would have told you world was the same word as eternal you would have replied with your usual scowling atheist retorts. Good to see you agree there is no "eternal fire". i did not agree there is no eternal fire as i have said before aiwv and olam have different meanings and those translators knew exactly when to use the appropriate english for the hebrew and the greek...good try though embedded meanings do come across that is what the Holy Spirit is for....good try though meditation, prayer, bible study, revelation and the Holy Spirit is the only way you'll understand anything about the bible. good luck you'll need it.... good try atheist.... Which is why I asked you is 3 days a long time or forever. Because obviously it's not regardless if you work in metaphoric, literal or both as you say. Perhaps it's just describing a intense feeling you get when you realise that someone you thought should be burnt but received grace instead...... Kinda like Eternal Fire, A intense feeling from purification..... That's how they they would have understood it more than a literal for ever and ever fire..... like our Western minds read. Would you feel like hell if you realised atheists received grace.....??
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 20:56:15 GMT -5
i did not agree there is no eternal fire as i have said before aiwv and olam have different meanings and those translators knew exactly when to use the appropriate english for the hebrew and the greek...good try though embedded meanings do come across that is what the Holy Spirit is for....good try though meditation, prayer, bible study, revelation and the Holy Spirit is the only way you'll understand anything about the bible. good luck you'll need it.... good try atheist.... Which is why I asked you is 3 days a long time or forever. Because obviously it's not regardless if you work in metaphoric, literal or both as you say. Perhaps it's just describing a intense feeling you get when you realise that someone you thought should be burnt but received grace instead...... Kinda like Eternal Fire, A intense feeling from purification..... That's how they they would have understood it more than a literal for ever and ever fire..... like our Western minds read. Would you feel like hell if you realised atheists received grace.....?? i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you'll burn"... Faith in God/Christ and the Holy Spirit is the only way to receive grace: Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: meditation, prayer, bible study, revelation and the Holy Spirit is the only way you'll understand anything about the bible. good luck you'll need it hebraic scholar....
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Post by nathan on Mar 8, 2021 20:58:56 GMT -5
i did not agree there is no eternal fire as i have said before aiwv and olam have different meanings and those translators knew exactly when to use the appropriate english for the hebrew and the greek...good try though embedded meanings do come across that is what the Holy Spirit is for....good try though meditation, prayer, bible study, revelation and the Holy Spirit is the only way you'll understand anything about the bible. good luck you'll need it.... good try atheist.... Which is why I asked you is 3 days a long time or forever. Because obviously it's not regardless if you work in metaphoric, literal or both as you say. Perhaps it's just describing a intense feeling you get when you realise that someone you thought should be burnt but received grace instead...... Kinda like Eternal Fire, A intense feeling from purification..... That's how they they would have understood it more than a literal for ever and ever fire..... like our Western minds read. Would you feel like hell if you realised atheists received grace.....?? ** What does eternal life means according to you, Chuck? Does eternal means 100 yrs or 1000 years or forever?
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Post by chuck on Mar 9, 2021 0:45:52 GMT -5
Which is why I asked you is 3 days a long time or forever. Because obviously it's not regardless if you work in metaphoric, literal or both as you say. Perhaps it's just describing a intense feeling you get when you realise that someone you thought should be burnt but received grace instead...... Kinda like Eternal Fire, A intense feeling from purification..... That's how they they would have understood it more than a literal for ever and ever fire..... like our Western minds read. Would you feel like hell if you realised atheists received grace.....?? ** What does eternal life means according to you, Chuck? Does eternal means 100 yrs or 1000 years or forever? Nathan why must it be 100yrs or a 1000yrs? who said it was literal physical unlimited time?. Thats exactly how our Western minds think. We do not think like them. Fwiw when they say a 1000yrs that just means a long time, not 1000yrs specifically. You think 1000yrs, they don't. Now as for your question. Few examples. On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.” - Luke 10:25-28 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke10:25-28&version=NIV24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. - John 5:24 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John5:24&version=NIV3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. - John 17:3 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John17:3&version=NIVNote how they are present tense. Something you can have now, not literal time like out western minds think. Crossing from death to life now, having eternal life now. Not something one day after you physically die and then have some experience for ever and ever and ever. Also note how one could obtain it. Looking after the dude that was half dead, that's eternal life, also note knowing God is eternal life. He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?” declares the Lord. - Jeremiah 22:16 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah22:16&version=NIVKnowing God is eternal life, and what's knowing God....Defending the cause of the poor and the needy is......... On top of that as I tried to point out to wally Jonah's "for ever" expirence was only 3 day's, plus we can see many other examples of eternal, forever, everlasting ect that clearly are not what our Western mind reads, and often are a experience not a time. In a nutshell the writers seem to indicate eternal life as a experience or quality of life you have now. Not someday after you die. Does that rule out something after death, No. But selling the message that what it is is disingenuous whether its a conscious act or not. Eternal life is the Character of Christ lived out, not announced. No man made religion needed.
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Post by chuck on Mar 9, 2021 1:05:16 GMT -5
Which is why I asked you is 3 days a long time or forever. Because obviously it's not regardless if you work in metaphoric, literal or both as you say. Perhaps it's just describing a intense feeling you get when you realise that someone you thought should be burnt but received grace instead...... Kinda like Eternal Fire, A intense feeling from purification..... That's how they they would have understood it more than a literal for ever and ever fire..... like our Western minds read. Would you feel like hell if you realised atheists received grace.....?? i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you'll burn"... Faith in God/Christ and the Holy Spirit is the only way to receive grace: Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: meditation, prayer, bible study, revelation and the Holy Spirit is the only way you'll understand anything about the bible. good luck you'll need it hebraic scholar.... So what your really saying is wally you did something to earn it(grace), because people not like you cannot obtain it(grace). What did you do to obtain it wally?. Grace is in control of the giver not the receiver, so who are you to say who can receive if they're not like you....if they don't believe your 2x2 God one cannot obtain it. That's the original sin wally. Christ put it very well, 26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? - Matthew 6:26 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew6:26&version=NIVDid the birds believe in your god to be fed wally?, what did they do to receive Grace?. What you are also saying is anyone who doesn't see it like you is not valuable.....they don't deserve Grace but you do. Wally you need to understand Grace. It will change your outlook on life.....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 1:12:24 GMT -5
i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you'll burn"... Faith in God/Christ and the Holy Spirit is the only way to receive grace: Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: meditation, prayer, bible study, revelation and the Holy Spirit is the only way you'll understand anything about the bible. good luck you'll need it hebraic scholar.... So what your really saying is wally you did something to earn it(grace), because people not like you cannot obtain it(grace). What did you do to obtain it wally?. Grace is in control of the giver not the receiver, so who are you to say who can receive if they're not like you....if they don't believe your 2x2 God one cannot obtain it. That's the original sin wally. Christ put it very well, 26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? - Matthew 6:26 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew6:26&version=NIVDid the birds believe in your god to be fed wally?, what did they do to receive Grace?. What you are also saying is anyone who doesn't see it like you is not valuable.....they don't deserve Grace but you do. Wally you need to understand Grace. It will change your outlook on life..... nope, read the verse i posted again... nope, i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you are not valuable"... ummmm as far as we know birds don't have souls so saying they receive "grace" like we receive grace is a bit ridiculous... grace is a free gift but you can't very well receive it until you reach out and take it...that is called by faith... www.openbible.info/topics/gift_of_grace#: <<<don't appreciate the ESV but if your smart you'll have a KJV handy and can cross reference for clarity... already know about grace...good try though atheist meditation, prayer, bible study, revelation and the Holy Spirit is the only way you'll understand anything about the bible. good luck you'll need it hebraic scholar....
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Post by chuck on Mar 9, 2021 1:40:07 GMT -5
So what your really saying is wally you did something to earn it(grace), because people not like you cannot obtain it(grace). What did you do to obtain it wally?. Grace is in control of the giver not the receiver, so who are you to say who can receive if they're not like you....if they don't believe your 2x2 God one cannot obtain it. That's the original sin wally. Christ put it very well, 26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? - Matthew 6:26 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew6:26&version=NIVDid the birds believe in your god to be fed wally?, what did they do to receive Grace?. What you are also saying is anyone who doesn't see it like you is not valuable.....they don't deserve Grace but you do. Wally you need to understand Grace. It will change your outlook on life..... nope, read the verse i posted again... nope, i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you are not valuable"... ummmm as far as we know birds don't have souls so saying they receive "grace" like we receive grace is a bit ridiculous... grace is a free gift but you can't very well receive it until you reach out and take it...that is called by faith... www.openbible.info/topics/gift_of_grace#: <<<don't appreciate the ESV but if your smart you'll have a KJV handy and can cross reference for clarity... already know about grace...good try though atheist meditation, prayer, bible study, revelation and the Holy Spirit is the only way you'll understand anything about the bible. good luck you'll need it hebraic scholar.... "nope, i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you are not valuable"..." The birds don't see it like you....☝️👇 "as far as we know birds don't have souls so saying they receive "grace" like we receive grace is a bit ridiculous..." Wether the bird has a soul or not is not a factor of Grace.... What did the birds do to deserve inhabiting this beautiful earth wally?.
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Post by nathan on Mar 9, 2021 1:50:46 GMT -5
** What does eternal life means according to you, Chuck? Does eternal means 100 yrs or 1000 years or forever? Nathan why must it be 100yrs or a 1000yrs? who said it was literal physical unlimited time?. Thats exactly how our Western minds think. We do not think like them. Fwiw when they say a 1000yrs that just means a long time, not 1000yrs specifically. You think 1000yrs, they don't. Now as for your question. Few examples. On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.” - Luke 10:25-28 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke10:25-28&version=NIV24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. - John 5:24 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John5:24&version=NIV3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. - John 17:3 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John17:3&version=NIVNote how they are present tense. Something you can have now, not literal time like out western minds think. Crossing from death to life now, having eternal life now. Not something one day after you physically die and then have some experience for ever and ever and ever. Also note how one could obtain it. Looking after the dude that was half dead, that's eternal life, also note knowing God is eternal life. He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?” declares the Lord. - Jeremiah 22:16 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah22:16&version=NIVKnowing God is eternal life, and what's knowing God....Defending the cause of the poor and the needy is......... On top of that as I tried to point out to wally Jonah's "for ever" expirence was only 3 day's, plus we can see many other examples of eternal, forever, everlasting ect that clearly are not what our Western mind reads, and often are a experience not a time. In a nutshell the writers seem to indicate eternal life as a experience or quality of life you have now. Not someday after you die. Does that rule out something after death, No. But selling the message that what it is is disingenuous whether its a conscious act or not. Eternal life is the Character of Christ lived out, not announced. No man made religion needed. You have been showing us your own Bible interpretation of all kinds of words with the Hebrews and whatever minds that you must have to understand the Bible. It's a bunch of Baloney! You have a western mind and you expect us to trust with your Western mind of interpretation of the the word "forever" does NOT mean forever? ARE you out of your mind. Many of your posts DO NOT make any sense! I wonder if the readers see you are talking nonsense for a long time. You just blabbing on with all kinds of weird B.S. that make our heads hurt in trying to understand your nonsense. It's a waste of our time in answering your posts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 1:53:11 GMT -5
nope, read the verse i posted again... nope, i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you are not valuable"... ummmm as far as we know birds don't have souls so saying they receive "grace" like we receive grace is a bit ridiculous... grace is a free gift but you can't very well receive it until you reach out and take it...that is called by faith... www.openbible.info/topics/gift_of_grace#: <<<don't appreciate the ESV but if your smart you'll have a KJV handy and can cross reference for clarity... already know about grace...good try though atheist meditation, prayer, bible study, revelation and the Holy Spirit is the only way you'll understand anything about the bible. good luck you'll need it hebraic scholar.... "nope, i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you are not valuable"..." The birds don't see it like you....☝️👇 "as far as we know birds don't have souls so saying they receive "grace" like we receive grace is a bit ridiculous..." Wether the bird has a soul or not is not a factor of Grace.... What did the birds do to deserve inhabiting this beautiful earth wally?. as i thought more babbling on its way from you when you've run out of things to spew... meditation, prayer, bible study, revelation and the Holy Spirit is the only way you'll understand anything about the bible. good luck you'll need it hebraic scholar....
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Post by matisse on Mar 9, 2021 20:02:10 GMT -5
The Jesus-believing Astrophysicist you trotted out a week or two back rejected young Earth thinking.
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Post by chuck on Mar 10, 2021 0:42:43 GMT -5
Nathan why must it be 100yrs or a 1000yrs? who said it was literal physical unlimited time?. Thats exactly how our Western minds think. We do not think like them. Fwiw when they say a 1000yrs that just means a long time, not 1000yrs specifically. You think 1000yrs, they don't. Now as for your question. Few examples. On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.” - Luke 10:25-28 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke10:25-28&version=NIV24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. - John 5:24 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John5:24&version=NIV3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. - John 17:3 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John17:3&version=NIVNote how they are present tense. Something you can have now, not literal time like out western minds think. Crossing from death to life now, having eternal life now. Not something one day after you physically die and then have some experience for ever and ever and ever. Also note how one could obtain it. Looking after the dude that was half dead, that's eternal life, also note knowing God is eternal life. He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?” declares the Lord. - Jeremiah 22:16 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah22:16&version=NIVKnowing God is eternal life, and what's knowing God....Defending the cause of the poor and the needy is......... On top of that as I tried to point out to wally Jonah's "for ever" expirence was only 3 day's, plus we can see many other examples of eternal, forever, everlasting ect that clearly are not what our Western mind reads, and often are a experience not a time. In a nutshell the writers seem to indicate eternal life as a experience or quality of life you have now. Not someday after you die. Does that rule out something after death, No. But selling the message that what it is is disingenuous whether its a conscious act or not. Eternal life is the Character of Christ lived out, not announced. No man made religion needed. You have been showing us your own Bible interpretation of all kinds of words with the Hebrews and whatever minds that you must have to understand the Bible. It's a bunch of Baloney! You have a western mind and you expect us to trust with your Western mind of interpretation of the the word "forever" does NOT mean forever? ARE you out of your mind. Many of your posts DO NOT make any sense! I wonder if the readers see you are talking nonsense for a long time. You just blabbing on with all kinds of weird B.S. that make our heads hurt in trying to understand your nonsense. It's a waste of our time in answering your posts.
Nathan someone other than yourself being able to comprehend something you cannot does not make it baloney. It just means you cannot comprehend it. Maybe you should start with understanding how someone with a Western mindset does not need a Hebraic mindset to be able to begin to understand the Hebraic mindset. It's different to learning another language, A English man with English as his native language can begin to understand and learn and fully speak German. That does not mean German is his native language or he needs to be German to speak or understand the German language. The same with cultures, concepts ect. The English man with his English native language and English traditions and concepts does not need to be or have those German things to understand them. Any person can learn and understand the German language cultures concepts without having any of those things as a native thing. This is why you insist on eternal being a physical time and you have to ask things like is it a 100 or 1000yrs. You do not understand how they thought. And as I pointed out in those verses, time, like you think of when talking eternal makes no sense. If knowing God is eternal life and knowing God is defending the case of the poor and the needy which part of that means you in some place elsewhere in one form or other for 100yrs 1000yrs 10000000yrs or for ever and ever and ever and ever?. Your thinking about it all wrong. Hence you need to begin to understand the Hebraic mindset, because otherwise one might start doing silly stuff like sending people to hell that don't agree with them because one has no idea what they are talking about........they just wing it on William Irvines ignorant revelation and use the holy spirit as a copout. It would be good for once if you actually adress what I said.
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Post by nathan on Mar 10, 2021 1:45:23 GMT -5
You have been showing us your own Bible interpretation of all kinds of words with the Hebrews and whatever minds that you must have to understand the Bible. It's a bunch of Baloney! You have a western mind and you expect us to trust with your Western mind of interpretation of the the word "forever" does NOT mean forever? ARE you out of your mind. Many of your posts DO NOT make any sense! I wonder if the readers see you are talking nonsense for a long time. You just blabbing on with all kinds of weird B.S. that make our heads hurt in trying to understand your nonsense. It's a waste of our time in answering your posts.
Nathan someone other than yourself being able to comprehend something you cannot does not make it baloney. It just means you cannot comprehend it. Maybe you should start with understanding how someone with a Western mindset does not need a Hebraic mindset to be able to begin to understand the Hebraic mindset. It's different to learning another language, A English man with English as his native language can begin to understand and learn and fully speak German. That does not mean German is his native language or he needs to be German to speak or understand the German language. The same with cultures, concepts ect. The English man with his English native language and English traditions and concepts does not need to be or have those German things to understand them. Any person can learn and understand the German language cultures concepts without having any of those things as a native thing. This is why you insist on eternal being a physical time and you have to ask things like is it a 100 or 1000yrs. You do not understand how they thought. And as I pointed out in those verses, time, like you think of when talking eternal makes no sense. If knowing God is eternal life and knowing God is defending the case of the poor and the needy which part of that means you in some place elsewhere in one form or other for 100yrs 1000yrs 10000000yrs or for ever and ever and ever and ever?. Your thinking about it all wrong. Hence you need to begin to understand the Hebraic mindset, because otherwise one might start doing silly stuff like sending people to hell that don't agree with them because one has no idea what they are talking about........they just wing it on William Irvines ignorant revelation and use the holy spirit as a copout. It would be good for once if you actually adress what I said. No, I don't want to waste any more of my time and energy with you, Chuck. You are the first the and only guy, who speaks about have the mind sets of the Hebreic or whoever you had in mind to understanding the Bible. You left out the Holy Spirit as our BEST Teacher of all teachers to teach us about the Bible and it doesn't matter which century we live in, Chuck. That was why Jesus sent the Holy Spirit on earth after he went back to heaven and be with God the Father.
The Holy Spirit is here to TEACH us, the will, plan, and the words of God so we can carry out, accomplish His plans and purpose for our lives on earth.
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Post by Gene on Mar 10, 2021 6:35:51 GMT -5
You have been showing us your own Bible interpretation of all kinds of words with the Hebrews and whatever minds that you must have to understand the Bible. It's a bunch of Baloney! You have a western mind and you expect us to trust with your Western mind of interpretation of the the word "forever" does NOT mean forever? ARE you out of your mind. Many of your posts DO NOT make any sense! I wonder if the readers see you are talking nonsense for a long time. You just blabbing on with all kinds of weird B.S. that make our heads hurt in trying to understand your nonsense. It's a waste of our time in answering your posts.
Nathan someone other than yourself being able to comprehend something you cannot does not make it baloney. It just means you cannot comprehend it. <<snip>> It would be good for once if you actually address what I said.
You're going to need St. Jude's help with that one.
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Post by nathan on Mar 10, 2021 10:08:59 GMT -5
Nathan someone other than yourself being able to comprehend something you cannot does not make it baloney. It just means you cannot comprehend it. <<snip>> It would be good for once if you actually address what I said.
You're going to need St. Jude's help with that one. NOT really.
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Post by chuck on Mar 10, 2021 21:03:57 GMT -5
Nathan someone other than yourself being able to comprehend something you cannot does not make it baloney. It just means you cannot comprehend it. Maybe you should start with understanding how someone with a Western mindset does not need a Hebraic mindset to be able to begin to understand the Hebraic mindset. It's different to learning another language, A English man with English as his native language can begin to understand and learn and fully speak German. That does not mean German is his native language or he needs to be German to speak or understand the German language. The same with cultures, concepts ect. The English man with his English native language and English traditions and concepts does not need to be or have those German things to understand them. Any person can learn and understand the German language cultures concepts without having any of those things as a native thing. This is why you insist on eternal being a physical time and you have to ask things like is it a 100 or 1000yrs. You do not understand how they thought. And as I pointed out in those verses, time, like you think of when talking eternal makes no sense. If knowing God is eternal life and knowing God is defending the case of the poor and the needy which part of that means you in some place elsewhere in one form or other for 100yrs 1000yrs 10000000yrs or for ever and ever and ever and ever?. Your thinking about it all wrong. Hence you need to begin to understand the Hebraic mindset, because otherwise one might start doing silly stuff like sending people to hell that don't agree with them because one has no idea what they are talking about........they just wing it on William Irvines ignorant revelation and use the holy spirit as a copout. It would be good for once if you actually adress what I said. No, I don't want to waste any more of my time and energy with you, Chuck. You are the first the and only guy, who speaks about have the mind sets of the Hebreic or whoever you had in mind to understanding the Bible. You left out the Holy Spirit as our BEST Teacher of all teachers to teach us about the Bible and it doesn't matter which century we live in, Chuck. That was why Jesus sent the Holy Spirit on earth after he went back to heaven and be with God the Father.
The Holy Spirit is here to TEACH us, the will, plan, and the words of God so we can carry out, accomplish His plans and purpose for our lives on earth.
Nathan I don't know how to say it any clearer. You do not need to have a Hebraic mindset...... You just need to begin to understand it. I leave out the Holy Spirit because the way you use it is a copout. The Holy Spirit can teach you by YOU looking on someone else's life and actually seeing them demonstrate the Character of Christ. Someone demonstrating the Character of Christ is not your 2x2ism way of Meetings, missions, conventions, professing, baptism by 2x2 workers, testimonies in meetings. These things should back up your demonstration, not be the demonstration in and of itself. Demonstrating the Character of Christ is something you actually live out towards other people not towards yourself(2x2ism). This is also described as eternal life. That's how it teaches you Nathan. And it can be anyones life, even the dreaded "Atheist's" life. The Character of Christ is in all people. You can choose to show it or not. Showing it is not 2x2ism or any other man made religious system. Understanding or beginning to understand the Hebraic mindset(not having a Hebraic mindset) is the key to not burning people that don't see it like you!. That's what they aptly describe as Hell!.
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Post by chuck on Mar 10, 2021 21:08:22 GMT -5
"nope, i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you are not valuable"..." The birds don't see it like you....☝️👇 "as far as we know birds don't have souls so saying they receive "grace" like we receive grace is a bit ridiculous..." Wether the bird has a soul or not is not a factor of Grace.... What did the birds do to deserve inhabiting this beautiful earth wally?. as i thought more babbling on its way from you when you've run out of things to spew... meditation, prayer, bible study, revelation and the Holy Spirit is the only way you'll understand anything about the bible. good luck you'll need it hebraic scholar.... Wally It would be nice if you could actually articulate a repsonse for once instead of sounding like a nasty piece of work.....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2021 21:28:45 GMT -5
The Jesus-believing Astrophysicist you trotted out a week or two back rejected young Earth thinking. i heard him suggest the old earth theory i did not hear him put down the young earth theory though...he gave no reasons...
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Post by matisse on Mar 11, 2021 22:02:04 GMT -5
The Jesus-believing Astrophysicist you trotted out a week or two back rejected young Earth thinking. i heard him suggest the old earth theory i did not hear him put down the young earth theory though...he gave no reasons... I didn't limit myself to the YouTube video you posted. Excerpt from www.icr.org/article/hugh-ross-icr-facts-science/ : The topic of the age of the earth and universe came up on a popular radio program on which Dr. Ross was a recent guest speaker. This is the dialogue that took place between the interviewer and Dr. Ross:
Interviewer: "Not all Christians agree that the earth is three-and-a-half to four-billion years old. You do, I do, in an unqualified way. Explain why you believe that?"
Ross: "Well, it's because of the strength of the scientific evidence. I mean, it's really impossible to interpret the universe without accepting a creation date billions of years ago. But I'd also like to look at the Bible and say that I want to have a consistent interpretation of what the Bible is saying about the moment of creation, whereby Hebrews and Psalms and other chapters of the Bible do not contradict what's in Genesis. But I have to accept the long-day interpretation; not the short-day interpretation. This is not an important doctrine. What's essential for the Christian faith is who creates, and how He creates. When is immaterial."[2]
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 4, 2021 8:32:26 GMT -5
I am afraid you are wasting a lot of time, if you are waiting for that.
You will be old & gray like me and still be waiting for that Trump card.
It is like Waiting for Godot. You can repeat that at the end of the month if you like Well it seems like the "end of the month" is long gone shushy, so what's your next "prediction" !!!
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 4, 2021 8:35:29 GMT -5
Gene you might have been having a joke at my exspence but you will realise the extent of the fraud goes beyond America invloving other countries. Biden has been arrested and about to concede. Ive heard this 3 times now in the last couple days. Seriously. Its not funny. Life under Hilary we would all have been eliminated. Atm the danger to all of us if Biden got in doesnt bare thinking about. They would kill off the elderly and enslave our kids and grandkids. You should be very worried. Instead of arguing with me and wasting energy not finding out the truth. So when is Biden going to "concede" shushy !!
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Post by mountain on Apr 4, 2021 11:48:58 GMT -5
Gene you might have been having a joke at my exspence but you will realise the extent of the fraud goes beyond America invloving other countries. Biden has been arrested and about to concede. Ive heard this 3 times now in the last couple days. Seriously. Its not funny. Life under Hilary we would all have been eliminated. Atm the danger to all of us if Biden got in doesnt bare thinking about. They would kill off the elderly and enslave our kids and grandkids. You should be very worried. Instead of arguing with me and wasting energy not finding out the truth. So when is Biden going to "concede" shushy !! Have patience RT. He's Biden his time!
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 4, 2021 19:20:31 GMT -5
So when is Biden going to "concede" shushy !! Have patience RT. He's Biden his time! 😅😅
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 4, 2021 19:58:13 GMT -5
Re: the title of this thread
Has anyone ever seen a worker running?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2021 20:15:34 GMT -5
Re: the title of this thread Has anyone ever seen a worker running? yes....
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