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Post by magpies39plus on Nov 19, 2020 18:49:21 GMT -5
Proverbs 15, A gentle answer quiets anger,but a harsh one stirs it up.When wise people speak,they make knowlege attractive,but stupid people spout nonsense.--Philippians 2 Welcome the person who is weak in Faith,but do not argue with him about his personal opinions.---Colossians 3, But now you must get rid of all these things anger,passion and hateful feelings. No insult or obsene talk must ever come from your lips Do not lie to one another,for you have taken off the old self with it's habits,and have put on the new self.--- Timothy 2 Remind your people of this and give them solemn warnings with GOD's presence not to fight over words IT DOES NO GOOD BUT ONLY RUINS THE PEOPLE WHO LISTEN.---2 Timothy 2,But keep away from foolish and arrogent arguments,you know they end up in quarrels.---Matthew 5, But now "I" tell you,whoever is angry with his brother will be brought to trial. Whoever calls his brother"you good for nothing"will be brought to council,whoever calls his brother a worthless fool is in danger of going to the fire of hell.---Proverbs 20, Any fool can start an argument,the honourable thing is to stay out of them. THESE ARE NOT MY WORDS BUT ARE FROM THE BIBLE AUTHORISED BY "GOD" HIMSELF....Magpie
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2020 21:31:41 GMT -5
thats a bit funny coming from the guy who likes to provoke people over CSA...
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Post by Bigbiddy on Nov 19, 2020 21:39:46 GMT -5
I think he is looking in the mirror. Talking to himself!!!
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 20, 2020 0:40:33 GMT -5
I thought he was talking about bed sheets.
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Post by magpies39plus on Nov 20, 2020 5:55:50 GMT -5
Obviously you have never been victim of 2x2spaedophile workers. I and many others have....So your bickering and snide comments amongst yourselves cannot please God,as the bible commands. I say grow up. The workers have caused suicides amongst their criminal CSA victims.So you nearly all go on with a lot of arguing crop,instead of protecting the 2x2 kids....Magpie
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2020 7:48:42 GMT -5
can't speak on the political crap that goes on here but any of the religious stuff even if contentiously Christ still gets preached, according to Paul...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2020 10:21:04 GMT -5
Matt 5:22 "But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment."
The "without a cause" is the critical part.
1st. Anyone who commits CSA and doesn't display repentance isn't my "brother".
2nd. Anyone who thinks the sexual abuse of an innocent child who cannot defend him/herself, or the deliberate shielding of those predatory people when they pose a danger isn't a sufficient "cause" for anger needs to take a long walk off a short pier.
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Post by magpies39plus on Nov 20, 2020 18:22:08 GMT -5
Wally then the 2x2 preachers and followers must follow it.. Not be antinomians and commit a criminal act on a child then on Sunday preach the only way to heaven is via his/her ministry.This is living the RCC confession and ypur sins are forgiven to live ahead and conffess the next week again. Magpie
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Post by magpies39plus on Nov 21, 2020 2:08:39 GMT -5
Wally,provoking people over CSA? Well only the perpetrators. If they belong to the preacher only sect and the hat fits,i'll provoke them 24/7. Any biblical reason not too Wally??? Magpie PS Paedophelia is a Mental Disorder with some controls available but a lifetime affliction.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 2:16:44 GMT -5
Wally,provoking people over CSA? Well only the perpetrators. If they belong to the preacher only sect and the hat fits,i'll provoke them 24/7. Any biblical reason not too Wally??? Magpie PS Paedophelia is a Mental Disorder with some controls available but a lifetime affliction. as far as i know(could be wrong) there are no perpetrators on TMB so all your doing is trying to rile people that had nothing to do with it. you can't even follow your own OP, you are no different than anyone else here that you are complaining about.
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Post by magpies39plus on Dec 9, 2020 18:34:03 GMT -5
Wally, If there is a rotten apple in the box you remove it,don't you? Why did 2xpreachers get jail time,in our small state? For CSA. One was sent to South America,they were glad to send him home-12 known victims. The other 2x2 gossip has him at over 30,cover up for years until someone had the courage to report him,as with the first one. Are they not as others I have known for my 8 decades are they"ANTINOMIANS"? Not just male preachers either.Very like the RCC's sin through the week and break bread on a Sunday.As celibacy is not a biblical demand it sadly attracts the weirdos,if it sadly is demanded. 1Corinthians-v-4/5 blows that demand out of the 2x2s theology,does'nt it Wally. Regards Magpie. PS People get riled when a Scout leader molests kids,so more so for those who say they are"God's"true?servants.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 19:11:12 GMT -5
Wally, If there is a rotten apple in the box you remove it,don't you? Why did 2xpreachers get jail time,in our small state? For CSA. One was sent to South America,they were glad to send him home-12 known victims. The other 2x2 gossip has him at over 30,cover up for years until someone had the courage to report him,as with the first one. Are they not as others I have known for my 8 decades are they"ANTINOMIANS"? Not just male preachers either.Very like the RCC's sin through the week and break bread on a Sunday.As celibacy is not a biblical demand it sadly attracts the weirdos,if it sadly is demanded. 1Corinthians-v-4/5 blows that demand out of the 2x2s theology,does'nt it Wally. Regards Magpie. PS People get riled when a Scout leader molests kids,so more so for those who say they are"God's"true?servants. what you are doing here hasn't removed any bad apples that i am aware of...regards wally
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Post by magpies39plus on Dec 9, 2020 21:04:42 GMT -5
Preached according to Paul you said? Ephesians 4-v-11/12,Luke 22-v-35+,1 Corinthians 9-v-4/5,Timothy,mentions the need and work of Bishops and Deacons,I quote these 3+ verses often because it is a good starting point to delve into what is expected in the lives of those in the Body of Christ as to God's expectations within both ministry and congregations.I remember there must be changes/we see some changes coming/today they still are saying that and for my 80+ years I haven't noticed any yet(except black stockings out and seamless are in). Regards again Magpie
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Post by magpies39plus on Mar 30, 2021 0:58:26 GMT -5
Wally it is still happening amongst the unbiblical Preacher only supposed celibate ministry.As a kid you would sit there and hope you were not in heaven with this or that preacher.Not just Bro but girls the Sister preachers.What does you non compassion say about that? Antinomians to the fullest,molest a child today and on Sunday preach that your way is the ONLY way to heaven; Now if I have only saved one of the 2x2's children from the horrors of child sexual abuse by a supposed Holy man or woman,isn't my efforts what GOD would want? I think so. If you don't,give a biblical reason why. A relative here was amongst those preachers jailed here,and many,many more can be named that should be. Still investigations seem to be slow,but we wont have to wait much longer,as you probrably know,via the fantastic 2x2's gossip line. Magpie
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Post by magpies39plus on Mar 30, 2021 1:15:18 GMT -5
Again I must comment over 50 pages on answering a simple question I put up"Have you studied the history of celibacy?". And this has only attracted less than a page? Insedixit is it appears the only one to support those verses and my program to enlighten the 2x2's to watch there children. REMEMBER it is the nice ones that can fool the parents and attract a child. Magpie. PS,the parents would be sipping tea from a fine china cup while I would be encouraged that the FIDDLERS hands were our little secret. NO ONE WOULD BELIEVE YOU!!! So some later suffered mental illness and as Ian Parker and others SUICIDE.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 30, 2021 1:19:32 GMT -5
Wally, it is still happening amongst the unbiblical Preacher only supposed celibate ministry. As a kid you would sit there and hope you were not in heaven with this or that preacher. Not just Bro but girls the Sister preachers. What does you non compassion say about that? Antinomians to the fullest, molest a child today and on Sunday preach that your way is the ONLY way to heaven; Now if I have only saved one of the 2x2's children from the horrors of child sexual abuse by a supposed Holy man or woman, isn't my efforts what GOD would want? I think so. If you don't, give a biblical reason why. A relative here was amongst those preachers jailed here, and many, many more can be named that should be. Still investigations seem to be slow, but we wont have to wait much longer, as you probrably know, via the fantastic 2x2's gossip line. Magpie Magpie, -don't pay attention to him, -some of us do understand and are with you.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 1:29:43 GMT -5
Wally it is still happening amongst the unbiblical Preacher only supposed celibate ministry.As a kid you would sit there and hope you were not in heaven with this or that preacher.Not just Bro but girls the Sister preachers.What does you non compassion say about that? Antinomians to the fullest,molest a child today and on Sunday preach that your way is the ONLY way to heaven; Now if I have only saved one of the 2x2's children from the horrors of child sexual abuse by a supposed Holy man or woman,isn't my efforts what GOD would want? I think so. If you don't,give a biblical reason why. A relative here was amongst those preachers jailed here,and many,many more can be named that should be. Still investigations seem to be slow,but we wont have to wait much longer,as you probrably know,via the fantastic 2x2's gossip line. Magpie we are not hearing much...wingsfortruth.info still only lists about 25 offenders. we've been told there are more but until we see some names of convicted pedo's it is all anecdotal at best. it seems however your country like our california likes to protect the names of pedo's. in the rest of america we have no such hang-ups we list all convicted pedos and track them where ever they go. so far...so maybe fix your own country first then you can go on a justified world wide rant about others. you've no more compassion than anyone else here on the matter...wally
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 1:32:25 GMT -5
Again I must comment over 50 pages on answering a simple question I put up"Have you studied the history of celibacy?". And this has only attracted less than a page? Insedixit is it appears the only one to support those verses and my program to enlighten the 2x2's to watch there children. REMEMBER it is the nice ones that can fool the parents and attract a child. Magpie. PS,the parents would be sipping tea from a fine china cup while I would be encouraged that the FIDDLERS hands were our little secret. NO ONE WOULD BELIEVE YOU!!! So some later suffered mental illness and as Ian Parker and others SUICIDE. several people answered you and you failed to respond. and then when i put a question to you its taken 50 pages for you to not answer it. so who's paying attention? wally
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 12:20:54 GMT -5
Wally it is still happening amongst the unbiblical Preacher only supposed celibate ministry.As a kid you would sit there and hope you were not in heaven with this or that preacher.Not just Bro but girls the Sister preachers.What does you non compassion say about that? Antinomians to the fullest,molest a child today and on Sunday preach that your way is the ONLY way to heaven; Now if I have only saved one of the 2x2's children from the horrors of child sexual abuse by a supposed Holy man or woman,isn't my efforts what GOD would want? I think so. If you don't,give a biblical reason why. A relative here was amongst those preachers jailed here,and many,many more can be named that should be. Still investigations seem to be slow,but we wont have to wait much longer,as you probrably know,via the fantastic 2x2's gossip line. Magpie we are not hearing much...wingsfortruth.info still only lists about 25 offenders. we've been told there are more but until we see some names of convicted pedo's it is all anecdotal at best. it seems however your country like our california likes to protect the names of pedo's. in the rest of america we have no such hang-ups we list all convicted pedos and track them where ever they go. so far...so maybe fix your own country first then you can go on a justified world wide rant about others. you've no more compassion than anyone else here on the matter...wally I can list 7 or 8 women off the top of my head who I know personally have been abused by workers or elders. The friends and workers covered it up and tried to just "move on" for the sake of "peace in the kingdom". You won't find their stories on Wings. We only know a fraction of the people who have been molested.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 14:35:55 GMT -5
we are not hearing much...wingsfortruth.info still only lists about 25 offenders. we've been told there are more but until we see some names of convicted pedo's it is all anecdotal at best. it seems however your country like our california likes to protect the names of pedo's. in the rest of america we have no such hang-ups we list all convicted pedos and track them where ever they go. so far...so maybe fix your own country first then you can go on a justified world wide rant about others. you've no more compassion than anyone else here on the matter...wally I can list 7 or 8 women off the top of my head who I know personally have been abused by workers or elders. The friends and workers covered it up and tried to just "move on" for the sake of "peace in the kingdom". You won't find their stories on Wings. We only know a fraction of the people who have been molested. were the perps convicted? if so send in their names to wingsfortruth.info. if not its anecdotal at best until FACTS are revealed...
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Post by Grant on Mar 30, 2021 14:57:02 GMT -5
I can list 7 or 8 women off the top of my head who I know personally have been abused by workers or elders. The friends and workers covered it up and tried to just "move on" for the sake of "peace in the kingdom". You won't find their stories on Wings. We only know a fraction of the people who have been molested. were the perps convicted? if so send in their names to wingsfortruth.info. if not its anecdotal at best until FACTS are revealed... As you may well know, most people do not report abuse which has happened to them and most which is reported does not reach the courts. What is on WINGS would not even be the tip of the iceberg and who wants their personal life written over the internet? Scott was the moderator of WINGS and as we know he is no longer with us so not sure who is monitoring the site now.
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Post by mountain on Mar 30, 2021 15:34:40 GMT -5
were the perps convicted? if so send in their names to wingsfortruth.info. if not its anecdotal at best until FACTS are revealed... As you may well know, most people do not report abuse which has happened to them and most which is reported does not reach the courts. What is on WINGS would not even be the tip of the iceberg? And who wants their personal life written over the internet? Scott was the moderator of WINGS and as we know he is no longer with us so not sure who is monitoring the site now. As someone who was involved in the investigation of sexual abuse cases, inter alia, over a 30 years period, I can from experience state that each case reported potentially opens a can of worms. Each case can lead to Ten, twelve, twenty cases or more. It becomes a nightmare, and as enuf says, most do not want to report the matter. Ips is right, long walks of short piers comes to mind!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 15:40:04 GMT -5
were the perps convicted? if so send in their names to wingsfortruth.info. if not its anecdotal at best until FACTS are revealed... As you may well know, most people do not report abuse which has happened to them and most which is reported does not reach the courts. What is on WINGS would not even be the tip of the iceberg? And who wants their personal life written over the internet? Scott was the moderator of WINGS and as we know he is no longer with us so not sure who is monitoring the site now. in todays world if you are over 18 its your moral duty if not legal duty to report CSA past or present to proper authorities. there are no excuses left if we really want to stop CSA and protect children. if your over 18 you are an adult. im' scared, i'm embarrassed, nothing will happen, people will hate me etc...etc.. are pretty lame and no acceptable excuse now. yes of course IMMENSE PRESSURE will be on the reporter, buck up and do what is right. and it goes without saying if someone gets convicted of it YOU MORALLY MUST REPORT IT to wingsfortruth.info. or is the caterwauling and brow beating about CSA on TMB just for show?
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Post by mountain on Mar 30, 2021 15:53:28 GMT -5
As you may well know, most people do not report abuse which has happened to them and most which is reported does not reach the courts. What is on WINGS would not even be the tip of the iceberg? And who wants their personal life written over the internet? Scott was the moderator of WINGS and as we know he is no longer with us so not sure who is monitoring the site now. in todays world if you are over 18 its your moral duty if not legal duty to report CSA past or present to proper authorities. there are no excuses left if we really want to stop CSA and protect children. if your over 18 you are an adult. im' scared, i'm embarrassed, nothing will happen, people will hate me etc...etc.. are pretty lame. yes of course IMMENSE PRESSURE will be on the reporter, buck up and do what is right. and it goes without saying if someone gets convicted of it YOU MORALLY MUST REPORT IT to wingsfortruth.info. or is the caterwauling and brow beating about CSA on TMB just for show? I think you need to read up on who is legally compelled to report matters of sexual abuse and who is not. We are not only talking about CSA here either. A victim may be faced with many reasons for not reporting a perpetrator. They should never be placed under a moral duty to do so. However, imo all cases should be reported for investigation as it can save others from becoming victims and potentially bring offenders to justice, but each case should be decided on its own merits. Also if you understood what a victim may have to go through after reporting a case, you may realise the difficult situation that some victims are in.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 16:11:27 GMT -5
in todays world if you are over 18 its your moral duty if not legal duty to report CSA past or present to proper authorities. there are no excuses left if we really want to stop CSA and protect children. if your over 18 you are an adult. im' scared, i'm embarrassed, nothing will happen, people will hate me etc...etc.. are pretty lame. yes of course IMMENSE PRESSURE will be on the reporter, buck up and do what is right. and it goes without saying if someone gets convicted of it YOU MORALLY MUST REPORT IT to wingsfortruth.info. or is the caterwauling and brow beating about CSA on TMB just for show? I think you need to read up on who is legally compelled to report matters of sexual abuse and who is not. We are not only talking about CSA here either. A victim may be faced with many reasons for not reporting a perpetrator. They should never be placed under a moral duty to do so. However, imo all cases should be reported for investigation as it can save others from becoming victims and potentially bring offenders to justice, but each case should be decided on its own merits. Also if you understood what a victim may have to go through after reporting a case, you may realise the difficult situation that some victims are in. i know who is required to as mandatory reporters that is why i lead with moral. quite a few have gone through my place of work or those that have gone through it are at my work. i've already acknowledge IMMENSE PRESSURE is on the reporter. are you suggesting that there are cases where known CSA should not be reported? if magpie is credible on his CSA posts here i expect you to get a verbal pounding from him for suggesting that... but were getting a TAD OT here(yes even me) i'm really talking about convicted pedo's getting reported to sex offender lists(legal and moral) or sites like wings(moral)...
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Post by Annan on Mar 30, 2021 16:40:11 GMT -5
As I have said before, had I been a CSA victim, it would have been my fault. The workers were always above reproach.
My dad was permanently injured by a medical practitioner that was a clear case of negligence. When I asked why he didn’t sue, I was told that professing people don’t sue.
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Post by mountain on Mar 30, 2021 17:50:17 GMT -5
I think you need to read up on who is legally compelled to report matters of sexual abuse and who is not. We are not only talking about CSA here either. A victim may be faced with many reasons for not reporting a perpetrator. They should never be placed under a moral duty to do so. However, imo all cases should be reported for investigation as it can save others from becoming victims and potentially bring offenders to justice, but each case should be decided on its own merits. Also if you understood what a victim may have to go through after reporting a case, you may realise the difficult situation that some victims are in. i know who is required to as mandatory reporters that is why i lead with moral. quite a few have gone through my place of work or those that have gone through it are at my work. i've already acknowledge IMMENSE PRESSURE is on the reporter. are you suggesting that there are cases where known CSA should not be reported? if magpie is credible on his CSA posts here i expect you to get a verbal pounding from him for suggesting that... but were getting a TAD OT here(yes even me) i'm really talking about convicted pedo's getting reported to sex offender lists(legal and moral) or sites like wings(moral)... If you read my previous post again you will see that I am not saying that at all. The welfare of the victim must come first. Many victims do not want to go through the trauma of reporting matters for all the emotional, psychological issues that accompany the process, etc. Ideally every perpetrator should be brought to justice, but each case has to be guided by its own merits. Some abuse victims have committed suicide because they could not cope with the processes that follow on from reporting.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 18:47:51 GMT -5
i know who is required to as mandatory reporters that is why i lead with moral. quite a few have gone through my place of work or those that have gone through it are at my work. i've already acknowledge IMMENSE PRESSURE is on the reporter. are you suggesting that there are cases where known CSA should not be reported? if magpie is credible on his CSA posts here i expect you to get a verbal pounding from him for suggesting that... but were getting a TAD OT here(yes even me) i'm really talking about convicted pedo's getting reported to sex offender lists(legal and moral) or sites like wings(moral)... If you read my previous post again you will see that I am not saying that at all. The welfare of the victim must come first. Many victims do not want to go through the trauma of reporting matters for all the emotional, psychological issues that accompany the process, etc. Ideally every perpetrator should be brought to justice, but each case has to be guided by its own merits. Some abuse victims have committed suicide because they could not cope with the processes that follow on from reporting. then it gets reserved to the rumor/anecdotal category. when dealing with something like CSA we must stick to FACTS. FACT: in our system(where i work) we've yet to have a suicide over the actual process, what we've had are suicides over the actual abuse...
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