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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 28, 2020 17:29:24 GMT -5
Expect them to go up again. Some one has to pay the bills. Auckland fuel taxes are necessary for Auckland roads. Other fuel taxes for other roads. There's a bit of carrot and stick in fuel taxes. They are being used to cause people to find more efficient means of travel that does not cost the environment as much. The National party has a more environmentally-friendly transport policy, by building the first-world roads that the country needs. The Left wants to slow traffic down, have it inching it's way along overloaded roads and through towns and villages, idling for long periods at clogged intersections. Taxing petrol and diesel to fund tramways and buses (that only beneficiaries have enough time to use) should make motorists angry. In this century -- that does need to be fixed. Believe it or not the US has a bit of a problem in that respect as well.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 28, 2020 18:20:17 GMT -5
Expect them to go up again. Some one has to pay the bills. Auckland fuel taxes are necessary for Auckland roads. Other fuel taxes for other roads. There's a bit of carrot and stick in fuel taxes. They are being used to cause people to find more efficient means of travel that does not cost the environment as much. The National party has a more environmentally-friendly transport policy, by building the first-world roads that the country needs. The Left wants to slow traffic down, have it inching it's way along overloaded roads and through towns and villages, idling for long periods at clogged intersections. Taxing petrol and diesel to fund tramways and buses (that only beneficiaries have enough time to use) should make motorists angry. That is both a simplistic and a jaundiced view. Auckland Wellington are already clogged. It is time to move to some other form such as commuter rail. Teletransportation is also a possibility. I just have to check with Nathy whether Frank's system works on earth.
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Post by fixit on Jul 28, 2020 21:30:16 GMT -5
The National party has a more environmentally-friendly transport policy, by building the first-world roads that the country needs. The Left wants to slow traffic down, have it inching it's way along overloaded roads and through towns and villages, idling for long periods at clogged intersections. Taxing petrol and diesel to fund tramways and buses (that only beneficiaries have enough time to use) should make motorists angry. That is both a simplistic and a jaundiced view. Auckland Wellington are already clogged. It is time to move to some other form such as commuter rail. Teletransportation is also a possibility. I just have to check with Nathy whether Frank's system works on earth. Commuter rail has it's place (including in National's infrastructure planning) but is a big drain on public money. Public transport requires huge subsidies because its inefficient. These days, people don't all work in the CBD. Or in huge factories. They are more mobile and distributed than in the yesterday's world the Left is living in. You don't take your kids to soccer and swimming practice on the train. Proper expressways get people to where they want to go more efficiently. Run cars on electricity if you like, but don't try to replace them with inflexible trams, trains and buses.
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Post by ellie on Jul 28, 2020 23:59:29 GMT -5
That is both a simplistic and a jaundiced view. Auckland Wellington are already clogged. It is time to move to some other form such as commuter rail. Teletransportation is also a possibility. I just have to check with Nathy whether Frank's system works on earth. These days, people don't all work in the CBD. Or in huge factories. They are more mobile and distributed than in the yesterday's world the Left is living in. Covid-19 would have shaken things up a bit, but from the peak traffic experience I've had in Auckland they were in desperate need of some better public transport. At least you can hotspot and get some work done on a train. Apart from making calls there's not much one can achieve crawling along in a car. I've done the equivalent, it's common when public transport is well planned and parking is (insert adjective of choice). Outside of catching some nasty virus using public transport is better for health too. Generally it's more active and requires more walking and climbing stairs etc than sitting in a car.
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Post by fixit on Jul 29, 2020 0:11:43 GMT -5
These days, people don't all work in the CBD. Or in huge factories. They are more mobile and distributed than in the yesterday's world the Left is living in. Covid-19 would have shaken things up a bit, but from the peak traffic experience I've had in Auckland they were in desperate need of some better public transport. At least you can hotspot and get some work done on a train. Apart from making calls there's not much one can achieve crawling along in a car. I've done the equivalent, it's common when public transport is well planned and parking is (insert adjective of choice). Outside of catching some nasty virus using public transport is better for health too. Generally it's more active and requires more walking and climbing stairs etc than sitting in a car. For public transport to be a sensible option you would need high rise living. We don't have public housing like this is NZ:
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 29, 2020 0:39:15 GMT -5
Covid-19 would have shaken things up a bit, but from the peak traffic experience I've had in Auckland they were in desperate need of some better public transport. At least you can hotspot and get some work done on a train. Apart from making calls there's not much one can achieve crawling along in a car. I've done the equivalent, it's common when public transport is well planned and parking is (insert adjective of choice). Outside of catching some nasty virus using public transport is better for health too. Generally it's more active and requires more walking and climbing stairs etc than sitting in a car. For public transport to be a sensible option you would need high rise living. We don't have public housing like this is NZ: I agree that we do need some infill or some multi story stuff in the big smokes. Otherwise there will be no Pukekohe onion fields. And I do not want to buy onions from China. There bacon is bad enough.
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Post by speak on Jul 29, 2020 0:42:17 GMT -5
I have spoken to a number of people ‘ in the truth’ ( not my phrase) in this country and they speak highly, commend the character of our Prime minister Jacinda. I respect Jacinda highly as a person, but won't be voting for her due to the economic incompetence of the government she leads. No doubt her responsibilities will be taking a high personal toll on her and her family. I believe in rewarding those who have gone out on a limb for us.
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Post by fixit on Jul 29, 2020 0:44:17 GMT -5
I agree that we do need some infill or some multi story stuff in the big smokes. Otherwise there will be no Pukekohe onion fields. And I do not want to buy onions from China. There bacon is bad enough. I can't believe you tried to eat bacon from China. How can that compete with Tahr?
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Post by ellie on Jul 29, 2020 1:17:32 GMT -5
Covid-19 would have shaken things up a bit, but from the peak traffic experience I've had in Auckland they were in desperate need of some better public transport. At least you can hotspot and get some work done on a train. Apart from making calls there's not much one can achieve crawling along in a car. I've done the equivalent, it's common when public transport is well planned and parking is (insert adjective of choice). Outside of catching some nasty virus using public transport is better for health too. Generally it's more active and requires more walking and climbing stairs etc than sitting in a car. For public transport to be a sensible option you would need high rise living. We don't have public housing like this is NZ: They may be the answer to rising house prices. Might I suggest a different architect and some balconies to make the most of the view.
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Post by chuck on Jul 29, 2020 1:40:49 GMT -5
Olea we are so fortunate to have good Prime Ministers down under. Jacinta Arden and Scott Morrison are just so committed to their people. They have excelled with the Covid 19 task. Not an easy job but they have been true leaders. NZ is the envy of the World Covid free due to good work by Jacinta. We are in a bit of trouble again mainly in Victoria. I dared to watch 60 minutes last night expecting to see a follow up story of 2x2 episode last year. It was postponed for an interview with Mary Trump re the book she wrote about Uncle Donald. It really was scary and something the World should be concerned about. Feel very sorry for the people of America. Did the follow-up story happen? or still postponed?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 29, 2020 1:54:12 GMT -5
I agree that we do need some infill or some multi story stuff in the big smokes. Otherwise there will be no Pukekohe onion fields. And I do not want to buy onions from China. There bacon is bad enough. I can't believe you tried to eat bacon from China. How can that compete with Tahr? My humble apologies Fixit, I accidently bought Pams bacon once...eeeerk. To make up for it I had a venison stew tonight. It was a fallow that was a bit slow and the only animal I have ever shot with a 8 pound sledge hammer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 2:49:11 GMT -5
Still postponed Chuck. We will keep watching.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 29, 2020 3:02:36 GMT -5
Still postponed Chuck. We will keep watching. There will be more ructions in Dubbo. All has not been revealed yet.
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Post by speak on Jul 29, 2020 3:46:32 GMT -5
I can't believe you tried to eat bacon from China. How can that compete with Tahr? My humble apologies Fixit, I accidently bought Pams bacon once...eeeerk. To make up for it I had a venison stew tonight. It was a fallow that was a bit slow and the only animal I have ever shot with a 8 pound sledge hammer. B careful my friend about buying foods that don't tell you where they come from, those that say made from local and imported ingredients.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 29, 2020 3:56:16 GMT -5
My humble apologies Fixit, I accidently bought Pams bacon once...eeeerk. To make up for it I had a venison stew tonight. It was a fallow that was a bit slow and the only animal I have ever shot with a 8 pound sledge hammer. B careful my friend about buying foods that don't tell you where they come from, those that say made from local and imported ingredients. You're quite right, and often you're buying 25% water in some of that bacon. It's ok on the BBQ where you can burn it off, but in the pan, where it congeals on the top, yuck!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 29, 2020 3:56:25 GMT -5
My humble apologies Fixit, I accidently bought Pams bacon once...eeeerk. To make up for it I had a venison stew tonight. It was a fallow that was a bit slow and the only animal I have ever shot with a 8 pound sledge hammer. B careful my friend about buying foods that don't tell you where they come from, those that say made from local and imported ingredients. Yes there's all sorts of dodgy unlabeled food out there. How do we know it's not full of 5G and nano chips?
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 29, 2020 4:07:27 GMT -5
Sue Kedgley of the Greens started to do a good job in sorting out the labeling requirements, but it's gone backwards a bit now, and often the writing is too small to make sense of, when you're buying.
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Post by fixit on Jul 29, 2020 15:24:18 GMT -5
...and often the writing is too small to make sense of, when you're buying. Maybe your eyes are not as young as they used to be Prags.
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Post by fixit on Jul 29, 2020 15:31:40 GMT -5
They may be the answer to rising house prices. Might I suggest a different architect and some balconies to make the most of the view. Balconies are a bad idea unless Aussies stop throwing kiwi visitors off of them.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 29, 2020 23:21:51 GMT -5
...and often the writing is too small to make sense of, when you're buying. Maybe your eyes are not as young as they used to be Prags. My arms are getting too short
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Post by ellie on Jul 29, 2020 23:27:55 GMT -5
They may be the answer to rising house prices. Might I suggest a different architect and some balconies to make the most of the view. Balconies are a bad idea unless Aussies stop throwing kiwi visitors off of them. Not just visitors. Some are colloquially known as suicide towers. Notwithstanding, there are some very appealing ones that would make for quite a nice retirement lifestyle.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 29, 2020 23:41:51 GMT -5
My idea of the perfect retirement crib is somewhere in North Taranaki where I could summit Taranaki in the morning and go for a swim in the surf in the afternoon. It's the only place I know of where I can climb ice in winter in the morning and surf in the afternoon. That is heaven.
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Post by ellie on Jul 29, 2020 23:50:55 GMT -5
My idea of the perfect retirement crib is somewhere in North Taranaki where I could summit Taranaki in the morning and go for a swim in the surf in the afternoon. It's the only place I know of where I can climb ice in winter in the morning and surf in the afternoon. That is heaven. I'll take the surf, but I prefer my ice in a glass.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 30, 2020 0:12:04 GMT -5
My idea of the perfect retirement crib is somewhere in North Taranaki where I could summit Taranaki in the morning and go for a swim in the surf in the afternoon. It's the only place I know of where I can climb ice in winter in the morning and surf in the afternoon. That is heaven. I did it once just to tick the box, skied in the morning, and then a rather chilly surf in the afternoon. I did summit it once then cooled my blisters off in the sea, but that was a summer climb.
Nowadays I concur more with Ellie! Ice is better with a Scotch or Cognac
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Post by fixit on Jul 30, 2020 0:59:53 GMT -5
My idea of the perfect retirement crib is somewhere in North Taranaki where I could summit Taranaki in the morning and go for a swim in the surf in the afternoon. It's the only place I know of where I can climb ice in winter in the morning and surf in the afternoon. That is heaven. Surfing where you live now will be limited to the internet variety, I guess.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 30, 2020 3:39:38 GMT -5
I respect Jacinda highly as a person, but won't be voting for her due to the economic incompetence of the government she leads. No doubt her responsibilities will be taking a high personal toll on her and her family. I believe in rewarding those who have gone out on a limb for us. Do you think she could be promoted to manage a branch.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 30, 2020 3:43:08 GMT -5
My idea of the perfect retirement crib is somewhere in North Taranaki where I could summit Taranaki in the morning and go for a swim in the surf in the afternoon. It's the only place I know of where I can climb ice in winter in the morning and surf in the afternoon. That is heaven. Surfing where you live now will be limited to the internet variety, I guess. Sindy and I decided we wanted to have a swim in every lake in the area. The Pukaki swim for me was in, dunk and out. Takapo was slightly better, Ohau was much the same as Pukaki. I think the water temp on these swim days in mid summer was around 4c. Even though the air temp was mid 30's Such is the life among the glaciers.
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Post by fixit on Jul 30, 2020 3:44:53 GMT -5
I believe in rewarding those who have gone out on a limb for us. Do you think she could be promoted to manage a branch. Or she could manage the trunk? To be fair to her, there's not much talent available for her to manage.
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