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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 30, 2020 3:28:14 GMT -5
You told us you knew workers were reading TMB -- but you can't even give me the name of a single one of them. Where did you get the idea that workers were reading TMB. I think you made that up. Anyway. When I get into Portland I'll talk to whatever workers are there. Dean Bruer is the man to see. I'll look him up. He's the overseer in Oregon. One of my best friends lives up there and I'll be going to visit him as soon as I can arrange it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 4:43:36 GMT -5
Nathan, how do you baptise them on line???. ** I don't, I send them to the 2x2s gospel meetings and let them baptized by the workers. This way they can have Sunday morning fellowship/worship with like minds 2x2 believers in their area. That's what I have been doing for the last 20 years, I am just a messenger/mouth piece point people to follow Jesus Christ as their Savior. Nathan you must be just a spotting agent. Let us see how good you are. I have changed my mind, I want to become a 2x2 again. Can you fix it up for me.
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Post by openingact34 on Jun 30, 2020 4:52:46 GMT -5
Men can call whatever they want... one day is a planet, and next day is not... men belief like flip one day and flop the next. It keeps changing constantly, they don't know the heck are out there in our Solar system and the Milky Way Galaxy.
Don't put your faith in men, curly... they will make a fool out of you with their flip and flop belief and understanding.
You mean men like Stranges? And other YouTubers trying to get there subscription numbers up so that they're monetised? Like anyone in Flagstaff Arizona actually. Try visiting there and preaching that Pluto is not a planet...ready to have your a$$ kicked?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 5:01:15 GMT -5
Poor Magpie, he set this thread up to point out a shifty move by 2x2's. Christion Conventions of Victoria,charity revoked!
As usual it has been railroaded to talk about Nathan. Sorry Magpie I have been one of the offenders. It really should have been a seperate thread about Nathan.
Do hope we can get some answers to the important issue you have raised. Also the other question you want answered have the 2x2's joined the National Redress Scheme. Don't worry Magpie we will keep asking until we get an answer for you.
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Post by chuck on Jun 30, 2020 5:07:23 GMT -5
I have posted Jesus/God is from heaven/Venus and A Visitor to Earth for 10 years on TMB.... So, they have read it and KNOW my belief.... Time will PROVE that I am telling the TRUTH.... The WHOLE world will KNOW it when Christ/God appears with the believers in the sky!
Jude 14-15 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
John wrote in Rev. 1:7-8 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Nope Nathan, What you say is not possible and is simply a fantasy. Check out some good science to see the composition of the planets. The bible and other comics you read are wrong. The bible in particular is a complete fantasy from start to finish. Written by men ignorant of the facts. Today, because of the discoveries of science you have absolutely no excuse to continue to believe such pig swill. To say the scriptures are simply fantasy is ignorant of many of the original Ideas that come from the Hebrew people. It's only complete fantasy because you were sold a fantasy image that you can't get rid of. Even in your atheism(or whatever you call yourself)position you argue from the image you were sold.
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Post by nathan on Jun 30, 2020 8:27:04 GMT -5
** I don't, I send them to the 2x2s gospel meetings and let them baptized by the workers. This way they can have Sunday morning fellowship/worship with like minds 2x2 believers in their area. That's what I have been doing for the last 20 years, I am just a messenger/mouth piece point people to follow Jesus Christ as their Savior. Nathan you must be just a spotting agent. Let us see how good you are. I have changed my mind, I want to become a 2x2 again. Can you fix it up for me. Yea, Pray to God and ask for His forgiveness for your sins in sincere manner, contact your local workers where you live. You know where they are if not contact the friends and they will be gladly to help you.
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Post by nathan on Jun 30, 2020 8:29:38 GMT -5
Nope Nathan, What you say is not possible and is simply a fantasy. Check out some good science to see the composition of the planets. The bible and other comics you read are wrong. The bible in particular is a complete fantasy from start to finish. Written by men ignorant of the facts. Today, because of the discoveries of science you have absolutely no excuse to continue to believe such pig swill. To say the scriptures are simply fantasy is ignorant of many of the original Ideas that come from the Hebrew people. It's only complete fantasy because you were sold a fantasy image that you can't get rid of. Even in your atheism (or whatever you call yourself) position you argue from the image you were sold. Wow! We finally AGREE on something here, Chuck. Awesome! Spot on.
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Post by nathan on Jun 30, 2020 8:33:28 GMT -5
Dean Bruer is the man to see. I'll look him up. He's the overseer in Oregon. One of my best friends lives up there and I'll be going to visit him as soon as I can arrange it. Yes, I KNOW DB very well, he KNOWS me and my situation VERY well with Tharold Syvester ex-overseer and why? I moved to Oregon and KNOW why, I left the work in Oregon also maybe. Tell him, Hi for me. I visit with him every year at Boring convention.
This way give me a good reason to update and tell him all the things had been happened since the time I left Washington state in 1986 to now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 13:08:39 GMT -5
Nathan we have all defiled Magpie's important thread enough, 33 pages of it. Lets start a new thread.
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Post by ForeverFree on Jul 1, 2020 12:15:34 GMT -5
I wasn't talking about God. I was talking about the workers. What's you're cozy little sweet deal with the workers that no one else can get off with. I don't believe they have any idea what you're preaching on the side. I would bet money that they'd have a problem with you if they knew about Venus and the whole flytrap. It wasn't by accident that I left the work!
That's for sure!
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Post by ForeverFree on Jul 1, 2020 12:24:17 GMT -5
From what you say in the above post I believe they currently do not know that you preach that Jesus is from Venus. If they did so they would boot you so hard your feet would not touch the ground. The question then arises, "Why have you not made public to the workers your beliefs "? I have posted Jesus/God is from heaven/Venus and A Visitor to Earth for 10 years on TMB.... So, they have read it and KNOW my belief.... Time will PROVE that I am telling the TRUTH.... The WHOLE world will KNOW it when Christ/God appears with the believers in the sky!
So you're saying that the overseers of Washington and Oregon sit here and read what you post here on TMB? And that they are ok with a) your unconventional beliefs and b) your freedom to post those beliefs on a taboo website? I don't think so!
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Post by ForeverFree on Jul 1, 2020 12:32:19 GMT -5
I'll look him up. He's the overseer in Oregon. One of my best friends lives up there and I'll be going to visit him as soon as I can arrange it. Yes, I KNOW DB very well, he KNOWS me and my situation VERY well with Tharold Syvester ex-overseer and why? I moved to Oregon and KNOW why, I left the work in Oregon also maybe. Tell him, Hi for me. I visit with him every year at Boring convention.
This way give me a good reason to update and tell him all the things had been happened since the time I left Washington state in 1986 to now.This is Nathan trying to call Bob's bluff! LOL
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Post by nathan on Jul 1, 2020 12:39:49 GMT -5
I have posted Jesus/God is from heaven/Venus and A Visitor to Earth for 10 years on TMB.... So, they have read it and KNOW my belief.... Time will PROVE that I am telling the TRUTH.... The WHOLE world will KNOW it when Christ/God appears with the believers in the sky!
So you're saying that the overseers of Washington and Oregon sit here and read what you post here on TMB? And that they are ok with a) your unconventional beliefs and b) your freedom to post those beliefs on a taboo website? I don't think so! ** Yes, different overseers and workers through the years have read and posted on this message board and similar message board to it.
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Post by ForeverFree on Jul 1, 2020 12:55:24 GMT -5
So you're saying that the overseers of Washington and Oregon sit here and read what you post here on TMB? And that they are ok with a) your unconventional beliefs and b) your freedom to post those beliefs on a taboo website? I don't think so! ** Yes, different overseers and workers through the years have read and posted on this message board and similar message board to it. Which overseers? Provide names as proof. If you can't, then we know you are talking BS.
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Post by nathan on Jul 1, 2020 16:57:43 GMT -5
** Yes, different overseers and workers through the years have read and posted on this message board and similar message board to it. Which overseers? Provide names as proof. If you can't, then we know you are talking BS. ** Here is a name of an Overseer Lyle S. From Texas used to read this board and posted on here a few times. I talked to him on the phones a few times also. I met him at Boring convention and we discussed about CSA classes for the workers on his staff.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 17:07:11 GMT -5
Boring Nathan. Get back to what Magpie wanted this thread for.
Perhaps the powers that be need to be reminded about this letter circulated 12 months ago, Cover Letter for above documents by David Saunders and Wayne Dean Dear Elders,
Recently Graham Snow and Wayne Dean met with Allan [Kitto] and me here in Sydney, then with the NSW workers at a staff meeting. It was reinforced that as a fellowship, it is paramount we provide a safe and secure environment for all children.
Therefore, we are writing to you to address a difficult and sensitive topic, and to ask for your assistance. It is in relation to child sexual abuse. We would like to discuss how to have a caring and appropriate response should any abuse or suspicion of abuse occur. We acknowledge that the management of any reported child abuse is the sole responsibility of authorities.
Sadly, in the past there have been cases of abuse in the fellowship. We cannot pretend they did not occur, nor can we brush them aside. We need to support and respect the healing of any victims of abuse within the fellowship.
Typical 2x2 attitude, "We need to support and respect the healing of any victims of abuse within the fellowship."
What about the victims outside the fellowship, to Hell with them.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 1, 2020 19:39:23 GMT -5
Boring Nathan. Get back to what Magpie wanted this thread for. Perhaps the powers that be need to be reminded about this letter circulated 12 months ago, Cover Letter for above documents by David Saunders and Wayne Dean Dear Elders, Recently Graham Snow and Wayne Dean met with Allan [Kitto] and me here in Sydney, then with the NSW workers at a staff meeting. It was reinforced that as a fellowship, it is paramount we provide a safe and secure environment for all children. Therefore, we are writing to you to address a difficult and sensitive topic, and to ask for your assistance. It is in relation to child sexual abuse. We would like to discuss how to have a caring and appropriate response should any abuse or suspicion of abuse occur. We acknowledge that the management of any reported child abuse is the sole responsibility of authorities. Sadly, in the past there have been cases of abuse in the fellowship. We cannot pretend they did not occur, nor can we brush them aside. We need to support and respect the healing of any victims of abuse within the fellowship. Typical 2x2 attitude, "We need to support and respect the healing of any victims of abuse within the fellowship." What about the victims outside the fellowship, to Hell with them. In fairness to them, their primary job is what they do within the church, therefore it is written in that vein. I don't think for one moment that they are not sympathetic to other victims in other churches.
If that was written by a Baptist Pastor, would you still feel like he was saying "to Hell with them?" (Unless, of course, you knew the writer, and that he was a callous exclusivist who didn't give a toss about those outside the church)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 19:54:23 GMT -5
"Within the fellowship" sounds like the victim must be a 2x2. There are many victims both in and out of other Churches. What about them???. Some are due to wrong behaviour by Workers, elders, etc. If they are sympathetic as you suggest why not join the National Redress Scheme. Put their money where their mouth is.
Other Churches have joined, RCC in a big way.
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Post by ForeverFree on Jul 2, 2020 1:04:15 GMT -5
Which overseers? Provide names as proof. If you can't, then we know you are talking BS. ** Here is a name of an Overseer Lyle S. From Texas used to read this board and posted on here a few times. I talked to him on the phones a few times also. I met him at Boring convention and we discussed about CSA classes for the workers on his staff. Show us what he posted.
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Post by nathan on Jul 2, 2020 1:13:22 GMT -5
** Here is a name of an Overseer Lyle S. From Texas used to read this board and posted on here a few times. I talked to him on the phones a few times also. I met him at Boring convention and we discussed about CSA classes for the workers on his staff. Show us what he posted. Well, that was like 10 years ago... but many of the old timers on TMB remember we were discussing about CSA and Lyle S. came and told us how he felt about it. We were surprised that he came and posted his thoughts.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 2:08:38 GMT -5
Nathan can you make yourself useful and get in touch with the Bosses in Australia and get answers to two questions,
1. Why was Christian Conventions of Victoria charity registration revoked.
2. Has the 2x2 Church in Australia joined the National Redress Scheme.
Thanks in anticipation.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 0:41:30 GMT -5
Nathan is all silent. Where is he when you need him. I am starting to lose faith.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 3, 2020 0:54:26 GMT -5
Nathan is all silent. Where is he when you need him. I am starting to lose faith. Maybe he's in the hollow earth hiding from COVID-19.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 23:21:22 GMT -5
Nathan is not responding to my posts, must have me on ignore. Thought he might take a peek.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 3, 2020 23:29:27 GMT -5
Nathan is not responding to my posts, must have me on ignore. Thought he might take a peek. From what I have read here and elsewhere the charity status was not revoked by the government agency but it was deregistered by the charity itself. I stand to be corrected on this. I am thinking that if there is no "organisation" then there is no one to be sued or held accountable.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 23:48:18 GMT -5
Spot on Curly. But the big question is why, was it to dodge compensation. From the little we know could have been a substantial pot of money.
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 4, 2020 0:37:01 GMT -5
Spot on Curly. But the big question is why, was it to dodge compensation. From the little we know could have been a substantial pot of money. Well that would just be the ultimate "snow job" now, wouldn't it?
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Post by speak on Jul 4, 2020 0:41:24 GMT -5
Spot on Curly. But the big question is why, was it to dodge compensation. From the little we know could have been a substantial pot of money. Could be but just as well be nothing
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